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Post by scoostraw on Sept 20, 2019 9:58:07 GMT -5
Interesting to hear how Dan Reeves didn’t allow audibles at the line of scrimmage. He had to change to come back and bring the falcons to a superbowl can't see how a team can win being stuck in one play wow. I remember him being asked what the difference was in Atlanta as compared to the Giants.
He had a one-word answer: "Quarterback".
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2019 10:43:32 GMT -5
He had to change to come back and bring the falcons to a superbowl can't see how a team can win being stuck in one play wow. I remember him being asked what the difference was in Atlanta as compared to the Giants.
He had a one-word answer: "Quarterback".
I just couldn't see a team winning with aQB when he set an 8 man box and is in a run play not being able to change it, I remember him saying that tho.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
This just serves as a reminder that we as fans never really know what is going on out there. I remember Dave Brown complaining about Reeves. Can't remember if it was after Reeves was fired. Must have been. He complained about the complex calls and the inability to get out of a play. he talked about how they knew a play was doomed when they walked up the the line. That was back then.
I will say that I never disliked Dave Brown. he just wasn't a starting caliber NFL QB. Not his fault. he loved the Giants and wanted to plat for them. I'm sure he tried his best.
We are so quick to villainize players. CC Brown, Ron Dayne, Dave Brown...etc... Why? Because they struggled on the field? Seems a waste of energy to me. They are just football players doing their best....and they played for Big Blue. I respect any player who goes on the field and endures what it takes to play in the NFL.
My God....they are just people like the rest of us in the end.
Problem with Brown was he had way too much upper body mass to ever have correct mechanics to be accurate....
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 20, 2019 12:13:28 GMT -5
Dave at one point mentioned how it was him, Simms, Hostetler and Kent Graham in the QB room.
4 QBs. Did the Giants carry 4 at that time? Was there some kind of different roster rules back then regarding QBs? I don't remember.
But 4 QBs definitely jumped out at me..
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Post by hadenough on Sept 20, 2019 13:06:08 GMT -5
Very cool.
Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable.
Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head.
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Post by yoho on Sept 20, 2019 13:34:44 GMT -5
I have absolutely no clue what the Giants saw in Dave Brown. I don't either.
But it was not just the Giants. There was competition. Other teams wanted him also.
I think the point was that he came of Steve Spurrier’s system, and he had the size you want at QB. Maybe someone other than Ray Handley and Reeves could have done something with him. He appears to be smart.
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Post by yoho on Sept 20, 2019 13:40:25 GMT -5
Very cool. Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable. Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head. Well I do agree with being okay with wasting a play on a shot downfield every once in a while, even if it leaves you with 3rd and long once in a while. Especially now since the WRs have all the rules in their favor. It keeps the DBs guessing, and opens up your passing game.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 21, 2019 2:39:10 GMT -5
I was not, and yes, his play on the field had me dislike him (as a player, nothing personal, mind you). With the hate and vitriol that Eli has been given on these boards over the years you really need to ask that question? Hate and vitriol? Really?
There may be a couple kooks who have gone after Eli personally but I really don't remember any.
No sane person actually hates someone that they have never met unless they’ve done unspeakable crimes or intentional personal harm to someone dear. I can only speak for myself but when I say I hated Dave Brown when he was trotting out there, it was more that I wished he wasn’t the starting QB for the Giants, wished that they hadn’t let Simms go prematurely to give Brown the keys and wished Brown was on another team. At no point was it personal or did I wish for him to get hurt. These guys are trying their best and some just aren’t good enough. I guess hate is the wrong word because it implies very strong feelings. More accurately I wished that the Giants didn’t make him their golden boy.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 21, 2019 3:02:20 GMT -5
Very cool. Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable. Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head. This was also when Young was building the team to compete 1970s style when the league was in 1995,including not wanting to participate in free agency and those new rules
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2019 6:04:12 GMT -5
While he wasnt a very good QB the guy was a good team mate and IMO gave 100%.
For some players their 100% just isnt good enough
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 21, 2019 6:38:21 GMT -5
Hate and vitriol? Really?
There may be a couple kooks who have gone after Eli personally but I really don't remember any.
No sane person actually hates someone that they have never met unless they’ve done unspeakable crimes or intentional personal harm to someone dear. I can only speak for myself but when I say I hated Dave Brown when he was trotting out there, it was more that I wished he wasn’t the starting QB for the Giants, wished that they hadn’t let Simms go prematurely to give Brown the keys and wished Brown was on another team. At no point was it personal or did I wish for him to get hurt. These guys are trying their best and some just aren’t good enough. I guess hate is the wrong word because it implies very strong feelings. More accurately I wished that the Giants didn’t make him their golden boy. Yeah...I get it. I guess the word just bugs me. These ARE all human beings. Just trying to remind folks of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 7:35:15 GMT -5
That is an amazing story
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 21, 2019 8:18:47 GMT -5
Very cool. Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable. Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head. LOL I just got my tickets a couple years before went to everyone of those Dave Brown Kent Grahm and Danny Kannel games, surprised I even watch football after that lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 21, 2019 8:23:14 GMT -5
Very cool. Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable. Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head. This was also when Young was building the team to compete 1970s style when the league was in 1995,including not wanting to participate in free agency and those new rules Freeagency messed the Giants and Young up really bad they were way over and couldn't sign any of there guys, Young just wasn't prepared to deal with it.
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Post by leonperry on Sept 21, 2019 8:31:28 GMT -5
Very cool. Holy heck...Dan Reeves. An offense designed with zero audibles. An offense designed to have 3rd and longs. And that's exactly what those few years looked like. Unbelievable. Sometimes the more I hear about the Giants franchise the more I shake my head. I wasn't crazy about Reeves when he was here but he was no bum off the street, he had success in multiple places 11 wins his first year (although wiped out in the playoffs), and getting a winning record with Dave Brown as your QB that first year, heck he should have been coach of the year for that. went bad in the end for him but when hasn't that been the case for a Giants HC
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 21, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5
Interesting to hear how Dan Reeves didn’t allow audibles at the line of scrimmage. I wonder how many coaches have been and are like that? What a terribly stubborn approach, great way to kill an offense.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 21, 2019 9:17:58 GMT -5
LOL I just got my tickets a couple years before went to everyone of those Dave Brown Kent Grahm and Danny Kannel games, surprised I even watch football after that lol. I remember the Kent Graham leading Giants beating the undefeated Bronco's to stop their undefeated season!It was a home game in the Meadowlands I remember this making the CBS Evening News at the time.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2019 10:41:53 GMT -5
Hiring Dan Reeves was one of my worst days in Giants history. After firing Handley, we got spurned by Coughlin, then Dave Wannstedt (Thank god) before having to settle on Reeves, who proceeded to make a total mess out of everything he touched here.
Browns first year was encouraging. 9-7 with some come-from-behind road wins and a home win against the Cowboys resting their players for postseason.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 21, 2019 13:46:36 GMT -5
LOL I just got my tickets a couple years before went to everyone of those Dave Brown Kent Grahm and Danny Kannel games, surprised I even watch football after that lol. I remember the Kent Graham leading Giants beating the undefeated Bronco's to stop their undefeated season!It was a home game in the Meadowlands TOOMER LOL i wa sat that one just like the rest ir was one of the few highlights of that 4-5 year periods.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 15:15:39 GMT -5
Dave at one point mentioned how it was him, Simms, Hostetler and Kent Graham in the QB room. 4 QBs. Did the Giants carry 4 at that time? Was there some kind of different roster rules back then regarding QBs? I don't remember. But 4 QBs definitely jumped out at me.. He was probably talking about preseason.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2019 15:40:20 GMT -5
Dave at one point mentioned how it was him, Simms, Hostetler and Kent Graham in the QB room. 4 QBs. Did the Giants carry 4 at that time? Was there some kind of different roster rules back then regarding QBs? I don't remember. But 4 QBs definitely jumped out at me.. www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-york-giants/roster/1992?sort=posAll 4 QB's were actually on the roster in 1992.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 21, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -5
Dave at one point mentioned how it was him, Simms, Hostetler and Kent Graham in the QB room. 4 QBs. Did the Giants carry 4 at that time? Was there some kind of different roster rules back then regarding QBs? I don't remember. But 4 QBs definitely jumped out at me.. All 4 QB's were actually on the roster in 1992. Thanks.
That's what I couldn't remember.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2019 16:40:28 GMT -5
All 4 QB's were actually on the roster in 1992. Thanks.
That's what I couldn't remember.
I don't remember designations they used back then to keep all 4. It was common to keep at least 3 QB's in those days.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2019 16:57:24 GMT -5
man I miss madden calling a game I don't. I thought he was a buffoon in the booth. I would watch games that he was doing and find myself wondering how the **** he was ever an NFL head coach. Never heard this comment before. John Madden was great calling the games, he was the first one to bring the offensive line into our living rooms. All I remember is him and Summerall doing a lot of our big games back then. Curious, so who do you like calling games?
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Post by Roswell on Sept 21, 2019 17:17:41 GMT -5
Hiring Dan Reeves was one of my worst days in Giants history. After firing Handley, we got spurned by Coughlin, then Dave Wannstedt (Thank god) before having to settle on Reeves, who proceeded to make a total mess out of everything he touched here. Browns first year was encouraging. 9-7 with some come-from-behind road wins and a home win against the Cowboys resting their players for postseason. I thought Dan Reeves was a good coach that was unfortunately saddled with a starting QB named Dave Brown. While he didn’t win a SB, he brought a team from the AFC and the NFC to the big game. Not many coaches have that on their resume.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2019 17:22:17 GMT -5
Hiring Dan Reeves was one of my worst days in Giants history. After firing Handley, we got spurned by Coughlin, then Dave Wannstedt (Thank god) before having to settle on Reeves, who proceeded to make a total mess out of everything he touched here. Browns first year was encouraging. 9-7 with some come-from-behind road wins and a home win against the Cowboys resting their players for postseason. I thought Dan Reeves was a good coach that was unfortunately saddled with a starting QB named Dave Brown. While he didn’t win a SB, he brought a team from the AFC and the NFC to the big game. Not many coaches have that on their resume. Reeves won 9 or more games in a season 12 times in his coaching career. He was a very good head coach, not winning the championship should not change that opinion.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 22, 2019 8:10:30 GMT -5
I remember the Kent Graham leading Giants beating the undefeated Bronco's to stop their undefeated season!It was a home game in the Meadowlands TOOMER LOL i wa sat that one just like the rest ir was one of the few highlights of that 4-5 year periods. That was the breakout play that ignited Toomer's career,which up until that time was kinda middling
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 22, 2019 8:25:51 GMT -5
I don't. I thought he was a buffoon in the booth. I would watch games that he was doing and find myself wondering how the **** he was ever an NFL head coach. Never heard this comment before. John Madden was great calling the games, he was the first one to bring the offensive line into our living rooms. All I remember is him and Summerall doing a lot of our big games back then. Curious, so who do you like calling games? For Giants games I like Papa and Banks.
For most network broadcasts I mute the audio these days.
<edit> After initially disliking him, I find that I leave the audio on when Tony Romo is in the booth. Oh and if Tiki and Ronde are doing today's game, I found that I liked them a lot the last time the Giants played the Bucs.
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Post by TEM on Sept 22, 2019 9:17:06 GMT -5
It sounds like DB was handcuffed by Reeves,.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 22, 2019 9:20:15 GMT -5
It sounds like DB was handcuffed by Reeves,. Yup.
Not that DB was great (he wasn't).
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