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Post by southerner on Jan 2, 2020 13:25:31 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 2, 2020 14:30:52 GMT -5
Don't give me the Bull S%%%. If you had anything with that inflated ego you have. You would have spouted it out like a broken water main. At least I have the balls to make my point clear on why I do not want him. I will ask again What do you think qualifies him to be the Giants Head Coach? Since you are too lazy to find the entire thread that I started on this, I have copied and pasted the below from that thread:
44 years old.
Grew up in NYC
Walk-on LB at Penn State under Paterno
Asst OL coach under TC (when the OL was good and when Gettleman was here) - so there is a Giants connection (which we know the Giants love)
HC at Temple - took a crappy program and led them to two straight 10 win seasons (first time ever in school history)
HC at Baylor - has turned around a program that was even more of a mess than the Giants (hard to believe). Team is currently undefeated.
It seems like most NFL teams miss on HC's by taking a non-HC and hoping that he can be a HC. As it turns out, a lot of these guys are just not the CEO types that you need to run an entire organization (see, Pat Shurmur). Rhule is the CEO type and has actually turned around two down-trodden teams (albeit on the college level).
Read more: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5087/fbomb-moment#ixzz69sigFkgQ
Obviously, I don't know the guy personally, but I have looked at some of his speeches on youtube and see that he is the kind of guy that is a leader of men. This has been confirmed by Sean Chandler (who played for him at Temple) as well as at least one other Temple player.
I think its time for us to find the next Parcells or the next Coughlin, instead of looking at the same-old re-treads.
There is obviously no guarantee with any of these candidates and the obvious risk with this guy is that he has never done it at the NFL level (I love that some of you guys think that you are geniuses by pointing this out).
This is simply my preferred candidate based upon a fan's level of knowledge.
And I am not answering your list of questions because they are stupid.
+1 on everything you said here....... The HC should be a mini-GM, overseeing the whole operation. Not playing the OC/HC hybrid role McAdoo and Shurmur tried. He has done a FANTASTIC job at Temple and Baylor. People dismiss the fact that Baylor is a Big12 school, but I live here in Texas, and the fact that he does SO well with the "crumbs" of the local recruiting here is a huge testament to him. Does anyone realize what Baylor has to compete with here when landing recruits? Waco is in between UT and OU. Texas Tech, A&M and TCU get good recruits. The 5-stars go to the top notch SEC schools, leaving the lowly Bears with the scraps. Rhule found a little 3-star recruit in Denzel Mims and has made him look like a 5-star. He can indentify and hone talent. The minute last nights game started I knew Baylor was toast, purely based on size and athleticism. The nay sayers can say it was against backups, but for every Isaiah Wynn Georgia produces, they have an Andrew Thomas in the wings. Those backups we saw last night, will eventually be 1st and 2nd rounders in the future. Thinking about a retread that couldnt get out of his own way with the best QB in football doesnt excite me. This is Matt Rhule's dream job. I think this is the kind of guy that would have a real appreciation for being a New York Giant HC, not just an NFL HC.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 2, 2020 14:31:58 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL. Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
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Post by roundabout on Jan 2, 2020 14:34:35 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL. Give me a freaking break he killed his chances to coach because of one game?Do you say ridiculous things just to get a response?I think you won the stupidest post on this thread.Congratulations!
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Post by southerner on Jan 2, 2020 15:32:57 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL. Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
Really? His best are inferior to Georgia’s backups? 13 Georgia starters did not play in that game and they still won easily. Sorry, Georgia is not that good and Baylor is not that bad.....real story, Georgia has a very good head coach.....Baylor doesn’t.
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Post by southerner on Jan 2, 2020 15:33:54 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL. Give me a freaking break he killed his chances to coach because of one game?Do you say ridiculous things just to get a response?I think you won the stupidest post on this thread.Congratulations! Yes, he showed what he could do in a “big game”....he choked.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 2, 2020 15:34:48 GMT -5
Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
Really? His best are inferior to Georgia’s backups? 13 Georgia starters did not play in that game and they still won easily. Sorry, Georgia is not that good and Baylor is not that bad.....real story, Georgia has a very good head coach.....Baylor doesn’t. How many Baylor games had you watched before last night (assuming you even watched last night)?
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 2, 2020 15:35:39 GMT -5
Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
Really? His best are inferior to Georgia’s backups? 13 Georgia starters did not play in that game and they still won easily. Sorry, Georgia is not that good and Baylor is not that bad.....real story, Georgia has a very good head coach.....Baylor doesn’t. This is such an odd post.
No one in their right minds would suggest that Matt Rhule isn't a very good football coach.
So where does that leave you?
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Post by SG88 on Jan 2, 2020 17:17:24 GMT -5
Watching Baylor flounder around last night certainly didn’t help Rhule’s chances.....in fact it probably killed them for this year. It was clear from that game that he clearly isn’t ready to be a HC in the NFL. Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
Georgia has backups that will end up being in the NFL. The talent gap is significant. Georgia is right up there with Alabama in regards to being a pro football factory.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 2, 2020 17:20:41 GMT -5
Why not? He has inferior talent to Georgia.
Really? His best are inferior to Georgia’s backups? 13 Georgia starters did not play in that game and they still won easily. Sorry, Georgia is not that good and Baylor is not that bad.....real story, Georgia has a very good head coach.....Baylor doesn’t. Didn't the game get to 19-14 in the 4th quarter? Not sure I'd call it "easy." Thought it was the failed fourth down and Baylor's QB getting hurt that kinda halted their momentum. I also only watched some of the game.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 2, 2020 20:38:06 GMT -5
Since you are too lazy to find the entire thread that I started on this, I have copied and pasted the below from that thread:
44 years old.
Grew up in NYC
Walk-on LB at Penn State under Paterno
Asst OL coach under TC (when the OL was good and when Gettleman was here) - so there is a Giants connection (which we know the Giants love)
HC at Temple - took a crappy program and led them to two straight 10 win seasons (first time ever in school history)
HC at Baylor - has turned around a program that was even more of a mess than the Giants (hard to believe). Team is currently undefeated.
It seems like most NFL teams miss on HC's by taking a non-HC and hoping that he can be a HC. As it turns out, a lot of these guys are just not the CEO types that you need to run an entire organization (see, Pat Shurmur). Rhule is the CEO type and has actually turned around two down-trodden teams (albeit on the college level).
Read more: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5087/fbomb-moment#ixzz69sigFkgQ
Obviously, I don't know the guy personally, but I have looked at some of his speeches on youtube and see that he is the kind of guy that is a leader of men. This has been confirmed by Sean Chandler (who played for him at Temple) as well as at least one other Temple player.
I think its time for us to find the next Parcells or the next Coughlin, instead of looking at the same-old re-treads.
There is obviously no guarantee with any of these candidates and the obvious risk with this guy is that he has never done it at the NFL level (I love that some of you guys think that you are geniuses by pointing this out).
This is simply my preferred candidate based upon a fan's level of knowledge.
And I am not answering your list of questions because they are stupid.
+1 on everything you said here....... The HC should be a mini-GM, overseeing the whole operation. Not playing the OC/HC hybrid role McAdoo and Shurmur tried. He has done a FANTASTIC job at Temple and Baylor. People dismiss the fact that Baylor is a Big12 school, but I live here in Texas, and the fact that he does SO well with the "crumbs" of the local recruiting here is a huge testament to him. Does anyone realize what Baylor has to compete with here when landing recruits? Waco is in between UT and OU. Texas Tech, A&M and TCU get good recruits. The 5-stars go to the top notch SEC schools, leaving the lowly Bears with the scraps. Rhule found a little 3-star recruit in Denzel Mims and has made him look like a 5-star. He can indentify and hone talent. The minute last nights game started I knew Baylor was toast, purely based on size and athleticism. The nay sayers can say it was against backups, but for every Isaiah Wynn Georgia produces, they have an Andrew Thomas in the wings. Those backups we saw last night, will eventually be 1st and 2nd rounders in the future. Thinking about a retread that couldnt get out of his own way with the best QB in football doesnt excite me. This is Matt Rhule's dream job. I think this is the kind of guy that would have a real appreciation for being a New York Giant HC, not just an NFL HC. The things I most enjoyed about Rhule watching the Oklahoma game and Georgia game is his adjustments . He figures out what the other side is doing and counters. He understands his team makeup to find the right adjustments on offense and defense. It never looks like he is in over his head even when he lost his starting QB. His kids don't look nervous or anxious either. His teams execute very well even when outmatched physically. Plus what he has done with Charlie Brewer is very impressive.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 2, 2020 22:22:53 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I don't like the looks of him going by his pictures I think I would pass. I think Rhule will be the guy with all of this talk about a "CEO" coach. I've heard he does not want part of Gettleman though. I can see a scenario where we get Rhule but lose Gettleman. Would not mind that. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, Rhule should might want to refine his spitting technique.
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Post by giants38 on Jan 2, 2020 22:51:24 GMT -5
What an absurd reply. Is that why you will not hire him? You still have not answered my question. Ok I will ask you the same As I asked 3 others that will not answer the question You will be the 5ith. What qualifies him to be the Giants head coach? You still have not answered my question. Let it go.
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Post by gumby on Jan 3, 2020 22:57:17 GMT -5
Schiano did wonders with a Rutgers program that was the worst in CFB for many years...how'd that work out with the Bucs? Schiano also ran that RB i can't remember his name, turned out to be a good player, into the ground with like 30 carries a game.
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Post by southerner on Jan 4, 2020 8:51:58 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach.
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Post by roundabout on Jan 4, 2020 9:02:31 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. LOL..I'm sure going on a planned vacation with his family is a big deterrent to the Giants or any NFL team looking for a coach.Did you ever think maybe things are going on behind the scenes?Maybe you should broaden mind just a little
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Post by southerner on Jan 4, 2020 9:20:22 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. LOL..I'm sure going on a planned vacation with his family is a big deterrent to the Giants or any NFL team looking for a coach.Did you ever think maybe things are going on behind the scenes?Maybe you should broaden mind just a little No, it isn’t....but if you want to pretend something else is going on, be my guest.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 4, 2020 9:34:42 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. Man, you have outdone yourself here.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 4, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. Super odd take
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 4, 2020 10:42:55 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. They do have cells phones and videoconferencing if a team was really desperate and wanted to get in touch with him. The dude had a planned vacation after a tough season. He is employed until 2028 and gets paid pretty decent . I think he knows he doesn't have to rush this. Remember the NFL is after him he is not after the NFL.
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Post by 3days on Jan 4, 2020 12:55:31 GMT -5
Reading this, I suspect many on here do not follow college football like I do. In addition, my son recently graduated from Baylor so I have some perspective here that I would like to share.
Firstly you have to remember that there is no parity in College and success gets you access to the best High School players. ESPN rates them by stars, up to 5. Each year you will see that Clemson, Bama, Georgia, Ok, Oh St among about 10 others get a vast majority of the 4* and 5* players with many of the 3*. They reinforce this by continuing to go to the playoffs, which is helped by getting those very players. In addition, a Freshman is less likely to be an impact player than a rookie, so it takes time for a new coach to turn around a program.
That brings us to Baylor. Art Briles had Baylor on a path to being a top 10 level school. He was a great recruiter, a fantastic in game coach and sadly a man with very poor integrity. In short he covered up rape and got caught. This absolutely destroyed Baylor with most of their players just leaving. This is what Rhule inherited. That means that the team he coached probably had 0 3* or higher players at the Junior or Senior level. All he could do is figure out how to get the most out of what he had, which he clearly did. Coaching them to 2 loses was amazing. Imagine if we won 10 games this year, that would be about the same type of result. That is what makes him special.
Now can he do it at the pro level? Who knows, even Saban failed. I do feel he is worth a shot.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 6, 2020 13:16:45 GMT -5
So this is looking more and more likely now.....
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Post by Helmet on Jan 6, 2020 13:40:12 GMT -5
Wonder what kind of staff Rhule would assemble at the pro level - does he know anybody? Asking because I don’t know but he doesn’t have much nfl coaching experience.
Hope it’s not another McAdoo situation where the guy doesn’t know anyone since he hasn’t been around long enough and thus defaults to retaining 12 of the previous administration’s staff. Leave it to the giants to walk into that trap a second time.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 6, 2020 13:45:17 GMT -5
Rhule blew off taking interviews now to take his family on vacation. While it’s great he is a family man, this act alone will eliminate him as a choice for the Giants, and probably many other NFL teams as well. One has to wonder how committed he would be as a NFL coach. I feel like it is more likely that Rhule's Cabo trip eliminated other coaches rather than Rhule himself. It may have been part of Rhule's strategy to obtain the job.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 6, 2020 14:10:32 GMT -5
Wonder what kind of staff Rhule would assemble at the pro level - does he know anybody? Asking because I don’t know but he doesn’t have much nfl coaching experience. Hope it’s not another McAdoo situation where the guy doesn’t know anyone since he hasn’t been around long enough and thus defaults to retaining 12 of the previous administration’s staff. Leave it to the giants to walk into that trap a second time. He refused the Jets job last season partly because he did not have staff control. I'm guessing he has a good idea of the coaches he wants to assemble the staff with.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 6, 2020 14:22:21 GMT -5
So this is looking more and more likely now..... Not so fast ... we're the Giants remember?
I fully expect to see a Twitter storm announcing that Rhule has been hired by Carolina later today.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 6, 2020 14:23:24 GMT -5
Wonder what kind of staff Rhule would assemble at the pro level - does he know anybody? Asking because I don’t know but he doesn’t have much nfl coaching experience. Hope it’s not another McAdoo situation where the guy doesn’t know anyone since he hasn’t been around long enough and thus defaults to retaining 12 of the previous administration’s staff. Leave it to the giants to walk into that trap a second time. Rumor was that he wanted to bring Sean Ryan (current Detroit QB coach and former Giants staffer) to the Jets as an OC.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 6, 2020 14:23:44 GMT -5
Wonder what kind of staff Rhule would assemble at the pro level - does he know anybody? Asking because I don’t know but he doesn’t have much nfl coaching experience. Hope it’s not another McAdoo situation where the guy doesn’t know anyone since he hasn’t been around long enough and thus defaults to retaining 12 of the previous administration’s staff. Leave it to the giants to walk into that trap a second time. Well Wade Phillips is now available Get him,bring in Jay Gruden as OC,(he brings Callahan here )... That would be a start
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Post by Easy E on Jan 6, 2020 16:35:18 GMT -5
Might be down to last guy.
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Post by yoho on Jan 6, 2020 16:46:12 GMT -5
+1 on everything you said here....... The HC should be a mini-GM, overseeing the whole operation. Not playing the OC/HC hybrid role McAdoo and Shurmur tried. He has done a FANTASTIC job at Temple and Baylor. People dismiss the fact that Baylor is a Big12 school, but I live here in Texas, and the fact that he does SO well with the "crumbs" of the local recruiting here is a huge testament to him. Does anyone realize what Baylor has to compete with here when landing recruits? Waco is in between UT and OU. Texas Tech, A&M and TCU get good recruits. The 5-stars go to the top notch SEC schools, leaving the lowly Bears with the scraps. Rhule found a little 3-star recruit in Denzel Mims and has made him look like a 5-star. He can indentify and hone talent. The minute last nights game started I knew Baylor was toast, purely based on size and athleticism. The nay sayers can say it was against backups, but for every Isaiah Wynn Georgia produces, they have an Andrew Thomas in the wings. Those backups we saw last night, will eventually be 1st and 2nd rounders in the future. Thinking about a retread that couldnt get out of his own way with the best QB in football doesnt excite me. This is Matt Rhule's dream job. I think this is the kind of guy that would have a real appreciation for being a New York Giant HC, not just an NFL HC. The things I most enjoyed about Rhule watching the Oklahoma game and Georgia game is his adjustments . He figures out what the other side is doing and counters. He understands his team makeup to find the right adjustments on offense and defense. It never looks like he is in over his head even when he lost his starting QB. His kids don't look nervous or anxious either. His teams execute very well even when outmatched physically. Plus what he has done with Charlie Brewer is very impressive. The quotes from former Giants indicate that Rhule is a very football smart individual. You couple this with the CEO capabilities, and I think you get a guy that will develop as a fine NFL HC. But this team has to do other things to help him, like draft well and spend money wisely.
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