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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 8:23:24 GMT -5
Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach? How many games did you expect to win last year? before the year I said 5 but Pat Shurmur was a bad HC.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 8:57:49 GMT -5
Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach? How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 15, 2020 9:18:29 GMT -5
Now I don't have as much trust in DG's ability to draft anyone besides RB, OL and DL.... He doesn't seem to be in touch with the skill positions based on past picks draft yup thats why Shaq Thompson who was one of his first draft picks in carolina and was one of the first so called hybrid LBs just signed back with them for big money and Bradberry the CB he drafted to take Normans place is one of the top 3 CBs entering free agency. give it a rest. Why would he not let his head coach help with finding the QB. As he said the coaches have to make it work they have a ton of say in who is drafted. I guess Slayton is an RB or DL or OL and Connelly who you all loved before injury doesn't cont or Carter or Xman .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 15, 2020 9:20:43 GMT -5
I came across this just now. How funny is this?
You Can Just Tell Pat Shurmur Is Not Thrilled With Dave Gettleman and Daniel Jones
The best thing as a fan is when your team wins, but if you can’t have that a big part of the game is believing that you know better than the stubborn men in charge. Dave Gettleman, in picking Daniel Jones instead of the higher-upside Dwayne Haskins or a top-flight pass rusher, proved Giants fans right that he’s incapable of holding the job. But it’s not just the fans: In the press conference above, it is striking to examine the dour body language of Pat Shurmur.
In the video, Shurmur outwardly says all the right things about how there was a consensus in the organization behind Jones, how they got their guy, and how he could be the Big Blue starter for a very long time. But his poker face pretty overtly displays that he’s holding a hand of having fought for a different path and been overruled by his boss.
I get that the Draft is an absolutely grueling process and that by the end of the first day — after four months of rigorous evaluations, give-and-take discussion inside the building, and building a big board — one is exhausted. Nevertheless, if the Giants had really done what Shurmur wanted, he would’ve been up there exuberant about how much more room they’d have for activities.
Now, we don’t know exactly which path Shurmur would have preferred — if he’d have rather had a quarterback in Haskins that he could eventually open up the playbook with, or an immediate impact maker to menace the opposing quarterback. As an armchair psychologist, to me, it just looks like the gears are spinning inside his head that if Jones ever does pan out he’ll be long gone and it will be in service of his successor — and that it’s highly unlikely Shurmur would get a third opportunity as a head coach even if everyone with eyes can tell the franchise management around him was incompetent both times.
Is Eli Manning the answer? Of course not, and Shurmur knows that. But he also knows that Eli was returning and if that was going to be the circumstance he was presumably hoping for someone who could fill one of the many holes on the rest of the Giants’ roster right now, and if not that then a quarterback who could at least excite the fan base. Now he’ll likely be collateral damage.
Who wrote that Ryan gosling another nobody trying to make a name for him self seems Shurmur really took to Jones lol more clown crap.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 9:22:02 GMT -5
The Giants had a weak interior Oline, making running through the A gaps all but impossible. A good coach would: A) relentlessly run to the A gap B) do anything else So how many games were you expecting the Giants to win last year as you texted your niece too much?...until Shurmur ran it into A gap hell? Let's do Vegas A) over 6 games B) under 6 games I had B...and then his draft pick rookie QB came in to learn the position I then would have went 4 games...cause of that weak interior offensive line you mention, the lack of talent you meant to say....but a line that was strong on the exterior ... strong enough to bounce thunder thighs with the bad ankle into our zone, or was it man blocking...or gap blocking scheme? One of them I assume...cause our talented offensive line had strengths. Oh wait...I just called our exterior line strong. I also would have avoided the question if I were you...I'll go ahead and repeat it: The Giants had a weak interior Oline, making running through the A gaps all but impossible. A good coach would:
A) relentlessly run to the A gap
B) do anything else Here's a follow up question: Challenging pass interference calls has an extremely low chance of success and cost you a valuable time out when they fail. A good coach would:
A) continue to challenge those plays
B) stop challenging those plays
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Post by leonperry on Jan 15, 2020 9:25:02 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
it's similar in an opposite sense to the Mets firing Calloway who finished the season with a winning record... I'm not a Met fan, but I don't think too many Met fans were upset with that move... and the guy jumped to be a pitching coach again right away b/c I'm sure he knew he wouldn't get another manager oppo anytime soon. Similarly Shurmur's HC days are almost certainly over, so he grabs an OC position, and good for him you have to base your evaluation on the job the HC actually does, which may or may not sync performance-wise with a teams expected W-L record.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 9:27:52 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
I'm still waiting to hear what he did well as a HC. If the answer is developing DJ, then you are telling me why he's a good OC/QB coach, not a HC.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 15, 2020 10:21:11 GMT -5
I'm certainly not knocking DG for drafting Barkley. Especially with all these QB's coming out the following 2 years. Baker was already gone, we weren't drafting Lamar Jackson. We were passing him up just like everybody else. Even Baltimore passed him up. They drafted one of their TE's in Hayden Hurst, they had to come back in the first rd for Jackson with the 32nd pick.
This was the year that teams were supposedly drooling over for QB's. Now I think Jones can be effective for us if he stops the turnovers. Those fumbles were worse than the ints. It is ironic that Schurmur didn't get another year to develop Jones. Didn't like Schurmur but with all things being fair he should have had that 3rd year. With our draft position and cap space this year we could actually step up. But life is not fair and Schurmur made enough mistakes that his dismissal was considered justified.
Judge comes in and could be the beneficiary of Schurmurs vision. Plus the beneficiary of the Giant situation. And with Barkley and Jones already in place there are a number of different avenues the Giants can entertain.
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Post by soflo on Jan 15, 2020 10:50:26 GMT -5
He was fired for losing winnable games as a result in part of his in game management. And hc bears the responsibility of how all phases of the game are performing. Maybe he could have been given more time but theGiants felt they’d seen enough and its a stretch to say he was unfairly scapegoated Not a stretch at all How many games were you expecting the Giants to win entering the season with Eli Manning? Vegas had 6 as the over under...with a weak schedule. Then we went full rebuild with the QB and secondary, with no linebackers...a young talentless team A gaps with Barkley is all I hear from others...yeah, that was the reason we fired Shurmur Yeah, not the best hire we ever made, and agree his game management was lacking ...but he was scapegoated for the lack of talent on this team...that's a GM problem Vegas odds mean very little in the scheme of things and I wouldn't say there was a lack of talent on the offensive side, which is also supposed to be shurmur's specialty. It's the lack of progress on that side of the ball that wasn't (nor should have been) expected, so they fired him. I can't call that scapegoating. Highlighting this lack of progress was the offensively line massively underperforming to expectations, which if they had played to expectations, the Giants probably win three more games and get to their projected win total of a year 2 rebuild, which was about 7. Among his most questionable in-game decisions was the misuse and utilization of Saquon (too man runs up the middle knowing we don't have a good center, no involvement in the passing game). These are the things ownership looked at. I doubt they held him nearly as accountable for the defensive performance as they did the offensive performance.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 15, 2020 11:31:43 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Moe Greene. You know a bullet in the eye while you’re getting a massage. You gotta have your massage therapist aim the happy endings away from your eye ... even Kraft knows this method Kraft is an extremely rich old guy. His happy endings probably involve telling him what day of the week it is.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 15, 2020 13:10:49 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
They just want to wait until he has more talented players, make the same mistakes with them, and then conclusively proves he's not a good HC. I think this proves he is a much better position/coordinator than a HC... History Year Position Record Playoff record2019 New York Giants Head Coach 4-12-0 0-0
2018 New York Giants Head Coach 5-11-0 0-0
2017 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator 13-3-0 1-1 2016 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach 8-8-0 0-0 2015 Philadelphia Eagles Interim Head Coach / Offensive Coordinator 7-9-0 0-0
2014 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Coordinator 10-6-0 0-0 2013 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Coordinator 10-6-0 0-1 2012 Cleveland Browns Head Coach 5-11-0 0-0
2011 Cleveland Browns Head Coach 4-12-0 0-0
2010 St. Louis Rams Offensive Coordinator 7-9-0 0-0 2009 St. Louis Rams Offensive Coordinator 1-15-0 0-0 2008 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 9-6-1 2-1 2007 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 8-8-0 0-0 2006 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 10-6-0 1-1 2005 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 6-10-0 0-0 2004 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 13-3-0 2-1 2003 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 12-4-0 1-1 2002 Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks Coach 12-4-0 1-1 2001 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line Coach / Tight Ends Coach 11-5-0 2-1 2000 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line Coach / Tight Ends Coach 11-5-0 1-1 1999 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line Coach / Tight Ends Coach 5-11-0 0-0 pro-football-history.com/coach/716/pat-shurmur-bio
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 13:17:34 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
lol ... crickets
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Post by GameTime on Jan 15, 2020 13:21:16 GMT -5
it was two losing seasons and he wasnt a scapegoat. He was a poor "in-game" coach beyond the losses and thats the bottom line. Betcher as well. Yes he was a scapegoat...for the self important media, and all the impatient NY fans that are too emotional When did you decide he was a poor in game manger? Cleveland? After year 1? What game in the second season? I'm guessing when you finally got sick of losing. It's okay...it's just human nature. When you are not sure of something, the human brain reassures itself and fills in patterns...you hated losing...again. We all did. I'm simply more rational...know when my mind is playing tricks on me. We all want to believe the losing was caused by Pat Shurmur...gives us hope for the new year. It was lack of talent. It was. But please, go on... and let mob mentality help you out with your reasoning. lack of talent....to a degree for sure. lack of HC coaching skills beyond anything else.....definitely. I like Shurmur and was a fan of the hire. We all have our own opinions of course. I dont let the mob influence me.....
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Post by Merlin on Jan 15, 2020 15:41:23 GMT -5
Now I don't have as much trust in DG's ability to draft anyone besides RB, OL and DL.... He doesn't seem to be in touch with the skill positions based on past picks draft Gettleman is still the one who pulled the trigger to draft him. He took all the heat when Jones at 6 was viewed as a reach. The fact that he is passing along the credit with the public now feeling that Jones is the goods is honorable. Also how a lot of the scouting process works. The GM isn't out there uncovering every single prospect. He has scouts who feed him prospects and make a case for them which he would follow up on. Draft has been pretty solid for Gettleman its the FA signings and trades that have been his downfall.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 15, 2020 15:43:10 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
No, he was not a good head coach. Do you think his coaching was the reason the Giants finished where they did it was it.. say... talent on the roster? Perhaps a good combination. What dictated our outcome more on sundays? coaching or talent? Is there a coach out there that would have made the Giants a playoff team?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 15:50:26 GMT -5
Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
No, he was not a good head coach. Do you think his coaching was the reason the Giants finished where they did it was it.. say... talent on the roster? Perhaps a good combination. What dictated our outcome more on sundays? coaching or talent? Is there a coach out there that would have made the Giants a playoff team? I agree that he was not a good head coach, and for that reason alone he should have been fired.
My whole point has been whether or not we would have won an additional 1-2 games or no additional games with a good HC doesn't really matter once you have reached the conclusion that he is not a good head coach. Once you reach that conclusion, it's time for him to go regardless.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
No, he was not a good head coach.Do you think his coaching was the reason the Giants finished where they did it was it.. say... talent on the roster? Perhaps a good combination. What dictated our outcome more on sundays? coaching or talent? Is there a coach out there that would have made the Giants a playoff team? Do you honestly need there to be anything more than that? I can't fire every under performing player, but I damn sure can fire an under performing coach.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 15, 2020 16:57:53 GMT -5
Man, you can sure make a pile of coin coaching if you get a couple of shots head coaching--even if you don't sniff .500. No one should feel sorry for Shurmur. He was compensated very well and if I had to guess he is probably happy its over(head coaching). He looked pretty shot a few times on the podium. If DJ turns out to be big game caliber then we can remain thankful for whatever role Shurmur played in the selection.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 19:11:10 GMT -5
How many games did you expect to win last year? before the year I said 5 but Pat Shurmur was a bad HC. Fair enough, but how many games do you believe Pat Shurmur cost us with A gap running, lol... throwing challenges on PI's...and having Engram block a pass rusher?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 19:40:21 GMT -5
No, he was not a good head coach.Do you think his coaching was the reason the Giants finished where they did it was it.. say... talent on the roster? Perhaps a good combination. What dictated our outcome more on sundays? coaching or talent? Is there a coach out there that would have made the Giants a playoff team? Do you honestly need there to be anything more than that? I can't fire every under performing player, but I damn sure can fire an under performing coach. Easy question my mob adhering, niece texting, pastrami loving friend. How many games did the coach lose vs having no talent...talent that Vegas said we were good for 6 games...with Eli? If more then 1, how many games lost were a direct result of A - Throwing a challenge on a PIB - Running into the dreaded A gap C - Having Engram block a pass rusher?I made it colorful...in case you are texting with your niece this evening, you can now ask her insight into the epic coaching vs no talent debate ....vs your usual discussion of boy bands and sleepovers.
Now, let me know about the lack of talent at the guard and center position once again...and I'll up you the tackles...thus creating a talentless offensive line.
Now we're getting closer to the truth, as you now show the 3rd stage of your mob (group think for fans of old mafia movies) mentality, and going to the rehashed cliche sports fan whine, "we can't fire the players, but we can fire the coach"
You went there?
Generic mob response, and a now complete admittance to the firing to pleasure your emotional need of anger at the losing games, and finding anything, challenge flags, A gap stoppages , failed blocks by tight ends...anything to fill in the patterns caused by the losing frustration that became a breaking point.
Pastrami for your loneliness...a new coach for your sport fan frustration turned rage?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 19:48:24 GMT -5
Yes he was a scapegoat...for the self important media, and all the impatient NY fans that are too emotional When did you decide he was a poor in game manger? Cleveland? After year 1? What game in the second season? I'm guessing when you finally got sick of losing. It's okay...it's just human nature. When you are not sure of something, the human brain reassures itself and fills in patterns...you hated losing...again. We all did. I'm simply more rational...know when my mind is playing tricks on me. We all want to believe the losing was caused by Pat Shurmur...gives us hope for the new year. It was lack of talent. It was. But please, go on... and let mob mentality help you out with your reasoning. lack of talent....to a degree for sure. lack of HC coaching skills beyond anything else.....definitely. I like Shurmur and was a fan of the hire. We all have our own opinions of course. I dont let the mob influence me..... Thank you for a fair response, and oddly enough I was against the Shurmur hiring. Big time And yet, here I am finding the firing more horrific than the original hiring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 20:05:14 GMT -5
Do you think that Pat Shurmur is/was a good head coach?
I find it telling that no Shurmur supporters/apologists will answer this seemingly simple question.
lol ... crickets Tony, you know I work 60 hour weeks. I'm not sitting around a social club deciding who to screw, and who to wack...I can barely look at my phone to see the news this site gives me. I appreciate this board for some Giant insight, and many of the posters who give intelligent debate for my reading during breaks...but I simply can't join in and do the instant return fire. Apologies. So, I see you still have not answered my question. How many games did you predict we would win before the season?...I know there is a thread around. I will now trail off into the TV world of fluff, and will not return an answer until the 3 day weekend ....have the last word my friend.
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 15, 2020 20:09:33 GMT -5
He looked very green at end of last year. I don't have much confidence he progresses to level of this year's sophomore class like Jackson and Allen. Junior class like mahomes, forget about it. With an ex Pats coach taking over, and Brady relocating his family to NYC area, don't be at all shocked if TB12 ends up a giant and new HC decides to effectively move on from Jones.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 20:15:24 GMT -5
No, he was not a good head coach.Do you think his coaching was the reason the Giants finished where they did it was it.. say... talent on the roster? Perhaps a good combination. What dictated our outcome more on sundays? coaching or talent? Is there a coach out there that would have made the Giants a playoff team? Do you honestly need there to be anything more than that? I can't fire every under performing player, but I damn sure can fire an under performing coach. If Judge goes 3-13 this year, under performing, should we fire him? FYI I wanted bad coach Shurm fired.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 20:16:31 GMT -5
before the year I said 5 but Pat Shurmur was a bad HC. Fair enough, but how many games do you believe Pat Shurmur cost us with A gap running, lol... throwing challenges on PI's...and having Engram block a pass rusher? I felt like he just couldn't grasp the whole pallet of being an NFL coach.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 20:18:25 GMT -5
Do you honestly need there to be anything more than that? I can't fire every under performing player, but I damn sure can fire an under performing coach. Easy question my mob adhering, niece texting, pastrami loving friend. How many games did the coach lose vs having no talent...talent that Vegas said we were good for 6 games...with Eli? If more then 1, how many games lost were a direct result of A - Throwing a challenge on a PIB - Running into the dreaded A gap C - Having Engram block a pass rusher?I made it colorful...in case you are texting with your niece this evening, you can now ask her insight into the epic coaching vs no talent debate ....vs your usual discussion of boy bands and sleepovers.
Now, let me know about the lack of talent at the guard and center position once again...and I'll up you the tackles...thus creating a talentless offensive line.
Now we're getting closer to the truth, as you now show the 3rd stage of your mob (group think for fans of old mafia movies) mentality, and going to the rehashed cliche sports fan whine, "we can't fire the players, but we can fire the coach"
You went there?
Generic mob response, and a now complete admittance to the firing to pleasure your emotional need of anger at the losing games, and finding anything, challenge flags, A gap stoppages , failed blocks by tight ends...anything to fill in the patterns caused by the losing frustration that became a breaking point.
Pastrami for your loneliness...a new coach for your sport fan frustration turned rage?
Just so everyone is clear...I personally don't find it super creepy that aris refers to my 12 year old niece in his posts. It's not for me to judge him to be a disgusting pedophile....that's the kind of judgement that will without a doubt come from a Jury of his peers one day. Anyway...back on topic: I can keep pointing out areas where Shurmur failed a a HC. Not a mob...me. One person. A person who has a 12 year old niece you seem fascinated with, which as I said, I don't personally find super creepy, but is certainly an indicator of a pedophile. And clearly, your position is that it's everyone's fault but Shurmur...despite not being able to point to any time where he was successful as a head coach. Can you point that out for the class? You can't, so let's keep playing: A good coach would use the halftime period to assess what went worked and what didn't work in the first half and: A) require his coordinators to make adjustments
B) see if he can get a churro at the concession stand
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 20:22:31 GMT -5
Do you honestly need there to be anything more than that? I can't fire every under performing player, but I damn sure can fire an under performing coach. If Judge goes 3-13 this year, under performing, should we fire him? FYI I wanted bad coach Shurm fired. 2 years running in that ballpark? Easy to identify areas of failure by Judge? Without question. FYI... I hate saying that!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:50:33 GMT -5
Easy question my mob adhering, niece texting, pastrami loving friend. How many games did the coach lose vs having no talent...talent that Vegas said we were good for 6 games...with Eli? If more then 1, how many games lost were a direct result of A - Throwing a challenge on a PIB - Running into the dreaded A gap C - Having Engram block a pass rusher?I made it colorful...in case you are texting with your niece this evening, you can now ask her insight into the epic coaching vs no talent debate ....vs your usual discussion of boy bands and sleepovers.
Now, let me know about the lack of talent at the guard and center position once again...and I'll up you the tackles...thus creating a talentless offensive line.
Now we're getting closer to the truth, as you now show the 3rd stage of your mob (group think for fans of old mafia movies) mentality, and going to the rehashed cliche sports fan whine, "we can't fire the players, but we can fire the coach"
You went there?
Generic mob response, and a now complete admittance to the firing to pleasure your emotional need of anger at the losing games, and finding anything, challenge flags, A gap stoppages , failed blocks by tight ends...anything to fill in the patterns caused by the losing frustration that became a breaking point.
Pastrami for your loneliness...a new coach for your sport fan frustration turned rage?
Just so everyone is clear...I personally don't find it super creepy that aris refers to my 12 year old niece in his posts. It's not for me to judge him to be a disgusting pedophile....that's the kind of judgement that will without a doubt come from a Jury of his peers one day. Anyway...back on topic: I can keep pointing out areas where Shurmur failed a a HC. Not a mob...me. One person. A person who has a 12 year old niece you seem fascinated with, which as I said, I don't personally find super creepy, but is certainly an indicator of a pedophile. And clearly, your position is that it's everyone's fault but Shurmur...despite not being able to point to any time where he was successful as a head coach. Can you point that out for the class? You can't, so let's keep playing: A good coach would use the halftime period to assess what went worked and what didn't work in the first half and: A) require his coordinators to make adjustments
B) see if he can get a churro at the concession standI'm not here to judge you Pastrami, if you text with your niece and use the smilies as you have suggested in a comparison to debating with myself, I'm finding that a bit odd...but it is what it is...I'm simply not going past football into whatever world you live in...but I am still going to use my smilies. Remember now, we're debating your anger issues, and hating on a coach who was not at fault for a teams best defensive player being a guy named Golden. I will attempt to avoid using many smilies with you, as that seems to make you angry, and remind you of...well...remember, it is now me. So, you are suggesting Pat Shurmur now did not adjust in the second half. Please list some examples of where this happened, and how it cost us the game. While you see many failed A gaps, I see no gaps. I find this gapless scenario a result of not just coaching, but far more of that... not enough talent. I'm going to shock you now, but I feel Hernandez is not being used to the best of his abilities, and while a bit overrated by many in here as far as talent...he is not being used in any way that accentuates his style of blocking....yes, coaching failure. Did you ever feel the coach and GM were never quite on the same dimension in regards to what a DG wanted to build vs how a Shurmur offense and Bettcher defense found past success, and wanted moving forward? Do you believe we might bite at the free agent apple, despite what Gettleman says in saving cap money...to possibly save his job, and go for immediate help on the defense...the weakest area on this team...talent wise? Do you feel if DG does not purchase talent, we will improve with the new coaching? Do you believe it "could" effect Jones developing in any possible way by letting Shurmur go? Did we roll the dice, to simply appease your anger of losing? Do you possibly feel the most important aspect of the NY Giants moving forward being Jones, and becoming the franchise QB? What game made you suddenly realize Shurmur was costing us games with horrific coaching? If you are a coach, and your running back is hurt, the GM rids you of OBJ, the offensive line is a mess as created ...you are playing a rookie QB...your other receivers have injuries all year long, and the best player on defense is a guy named Golden, what halftime adjustments are you attempting to make?
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 22:26:30 GMT -5
Just so everyone is clear...I personally don't find it super creepy that aris refers to my 12 year old niece in his posts. It's not for me to judge him to be a disgusting pedophile....that's the kind of judgement that will without a doubt come from a Jury of his peers one day. Anyway...back on topic: I can keep pointing out areas where Shurmur failed a a HC. Not a mob...me. One person. A person who has a 12 year old niece you seem fascinated with, which as I said, I don't personally find super creepy, but is certainly an indicator of a pedophile. And clearly, your position is that it's everyone's fault but Shurmur...despite not being able to point to any time where he was successful as a head coach. Can you point that out for the class? You can't, so let's keep playing: A good coach would use the halftime period to assess what went worked and what didn't work in the first half and: A) require his coordinators to make adjustments
B) see if he can get a churro at the concession standI'm not here to judge you Pastrami, if you text with your niece and use the smilies as you have suggested in a comparison to debating with myself, I'm finding that a bit odd...but it is what it is...I'm simply not going past football into whatever world you live in...but I am still going to use my smilies. Remember now, we're debating your anger issues, and hating on a coach who was not at fault for a teams best defensive player being a guy named Golden. I will attempt to avoid using many smilies with you, as that seems to make you angry, and remind you of...well...remember, it is now me. So, you are suggesting Pat Shurmur now did not adjust in the second half. Please list some examples of where this happened, and how it cost us the game. While you see many failed A gaps, I see no gaps. I find this gapless scenario a result of not just coaching, but far more of that... not enough talent. I'm going to shock you now, but I feel Hernandez is not being used to the best of his abilities, and while a bit overrated by many in here as far as talent...he is not being used in any way that accentuates his style of blocking....yes, coaching failure. Did you ever feel the coach and GM were never quite on the same dimension in regards to what a DG wanted to build vs how a Shurmur offense and Bettcher defense found past success, and wanted moving forward? Do you believe we might bite at the free agent apple, despite what Gettleman says in saving cap money...to possibly save his job, and go for immediate help on the defense...the weakest area on this team...talent wise? Do you feel if DG does not purchase talent, we will improve with the new coaching? Do you believe it "could" effect Jones developing in any possible way by letting Shurmur go? Did we roll the dice, to simply appease your anger of losing? Do you possibly feel the most important aspect of the NY Giants moving forward being Jones, and becoming the franchise QB? What game made you suddenly realize Shurmur was costing us games with horrific coaching? If you are a coach, and your running back is hurt, the GM rids you of OBJ, the offensive line is a mess as created ...you are playing a rookie QB...your other receivers have injuries all year long, and the best player on defense is a guy named Golden, what halftime adjustments are you attempting to make?
I'm not angry at Shumur, any more than I am upset about your obvious obsession with a 12 year old girl...again, a jury of your peers will eventually judge you for what you are, and I am personally OK with that. People with your predilection usually don't do well in prison, and I am OK with that as well He's not a good HC. Never said horrific. He has never produced a winning team as a HC. If I consider Jones the most important aspect, then getting him a good coach is key...if your position is that was on Shurmur than we agree he makes a great QB coach, a position he has had success in. You watched him run Barkley into the teeth of the filthadelphia O-line over and over again...your defense of that sees to be that DG didn't give him talent and he used Hernandez poorly (your position)...so it was OK to continue to do what wasn't working over and over again? No responsibility to even try any thing else - he's a helpless victim? That's who you want in charge? No hatred for the guy...actually would like to have kept him as QB coach. There are better HC's out there. Ones that don't need to have a litany of excuses made for them.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 15, 2020 22:58:05 GMT -5
Easy question my mob adhering, niece texting, pastrami loving friend. How many games did the coach lose vs having no talent...talent that Vegas said we were good for 6 games...with Eli? If more then 1, how many games lost were a direct result of A - Throwing a challenge on a PIB - Running into the dreaded A gap C - Having Engram block a pass rusher?I made it colorful...in case you are texting with your niece this evening, you can now ask her insight into the epic coaching vs no talent debate ....vs your usual discussion of boy bands and sleepovers.
Now, let me know about the lack of talent at the guard and center position once again...and I'll up you the tackles...thus creating a talentless offensive line.
Now we're getting closer to the truth, as you now show the 3rd stage of your mob (group think for fans of old mafia movies) mentality, and going to the rehashed cliche sports fan whine, "we can't fire the players, but we can fire the coach"
You went there?
Generic mob response, and a now complete admittance to the firing to pleasure your emotional need of anger at the losing games, and finding anything, challenge flags, A gap stoppages , failed blocks by tight ends...anything to fill in the patterns caused by the losing frustration that became a breaking point.
Pastrami for your loneliness...a new coach for your sport fan frustration turned rage?
Just so everyone is clear...I personally don't find it super creepy that aris refers to my 12 year old niece in his posts. It's not for me to judge him to be a disgusting pedophile....that's the kind of judgement that will without a doubt come from a Jury of his peers one day. Anyway...back on topic: I can keep pointing out areas where Shurmur failed a a HC. Not a mob...me. One person. A person who has a 12 year old niece you seem fascinated with, which as I said, I don't personally find super creepy, but is certainly an indicator of a pedophile. And clearly, your position is that it's everyone's fault but Shurmur...despite not being able to point to any time where he was successful as a head coach. Can you point that out for the class? You can't, so let's keep playing: A good coach would use the halftime period to assess what went worked and what didn't work in the first half and: A) require his coordinators to make adjustments
B) see if he can get a churro at the concession standIt's funny how he feels he is so rational - he's so emotional about Shurmur getting "scape-goated," and so prolific with the emojis, he might as well BE your 12 year old niece. In 4 years as a HC he has never won more than 5 games. It's possible that all 4 years were because of lack of player talent, but the Browns have been drafting high for 10 years and he couldn't win with them either. In 4 years he never improved either team. The Giants were rational for letting him go do something else he is good at.
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