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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 12, 2021 9:18:33 GMT -5
The only thing that will matter is who has a great senior bowl game. And he will be in full bloom love...
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Post by SG88 on Jan 12, 2021 10:16:32 GMT -5
smith didnt make it through this game, hard hiiitung thus far. he's not gonna hold up well in the NFL. Clearly not your best work here.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2021 10:58:36 GMT -5
Tyreek Hill 5-10 185 missed only 5 games in 5 seasons. Hill is only one example but Smith's size wont dictate his success or failure in the NFL. The kid has big skills. Big receivers can get hurt too. You never know who is tough and who isn't. Smith's size wouldn't keep me from drafting him.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 12, 2021 11:07:30 GMT -5
Looks like we are going to miss out on Smith
On the other hand this might cause Chase to fall, but then again is he going to be in the same shape he was at the end of 2019. With the 11th overall pick, we are putting ALOT of faith that he is the same kid who caught EVERYTHING Joe Burrows tossed at him.
Good news however might be that Jaylen Waddle is going to fall, he might even be there by our pick in the 2nd. I know, sounds crazy, but its very possible
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 12, 2021 11:08:31 GMT -5
Smith is is gonna be gone before the Giants pick without a doubt.
I dont care what anyone says, his frame does in fact scare me. I do not want to see him getting hit by NFL LBs and safetys. But they'll have to catch him first.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 12, 2021 11:16:17 GMT -5
I've watched Bama maybe 4 times this year. And Smith has been a bullet for the Tide each time. He has monster numbers at halftime and every team is keying on him.
The first time you see him you see his thin frame and you say he might not hold up. It's natural I did it too. But then you keep watching this kid and his talent just over takes you. Tyreek Hill was thought to be to small to hold up the first couple times you've seen him too, probably ?
Smith would be like finding a treasure if he lasts till the 11th pick. Personally I think Miami grabs him at #3 to team him back up with Tua. They already have played together, instant results.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 12, 2021 11:16:27 GMT -5
He was never touched by the Hand of God Unlike Lafreniere
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Post by thetruth on Jan 12, 2021 11:17:09 GMT -5
Agreed. Still think Chase is a better pro. Hope he's there at 11
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. DG isnt going WR in round 1. No need to worry about this. Dude don't jinx this!
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 11:21:49 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. DG isnt going WR in round 1. No need to worry about this. Ha - you’re either tongue in cheek or you’ve bumped your head.
if Smith is there at 11 - he’ll be a Giant unless we are already ready to move on from DJ. Then possibly Mac Jones.
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 12, 2021 11:50:05 GMT -5
Ha - you’re either tongue in cheek or you’ve bumped your head.
if Smith is there at 11 - he’ll be a Giant unless we are already ready to move on from DJ. Then possibly Mac Jones.
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one Hopefully the computer folks point him in the right direction.
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Jan 12, 2021 11:50:44 GMT -5
Nope, sure not.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 12, 2021 11:54:06 GMT -5
I’m sure Dave Gettleman will figure something out. Probably draft a receiver that has hog mollie characteristics.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:02:31 GMT -5
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one Hopefully the computer folks point him in the right direction. More like Joe Judge
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:04:17 GMT -5
I’m sure Dave Gettleman will figure something out. Probably draft a receiver that has hog mollie characteristics. A big bodied slug that can't get seperation but is a top blocker in the run game in the 6th round Remember He spend a 2nd on Devin Funchess...a large tweener that didn't even have the production Engram has
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 12, 2021 12:09:08 GMT -5
I’m sure Dave Gettleman will figure something out. Probably draft a receiver that has hog mollie characteristics. A big bodied slug that can't get seperation but is a top blocker in the run game in the 6th round Remember He spend a 2nd on Devin Funchess...a large tweener that didn't even have the production Engram has Don’t forget Kelvin Benjamin. The guy ate himself out of the league.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 12, 2021 12:13:36 GMT -5
Hopefully the computer folks point him in the right direction. More like Joe Judge Let's hope so.
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Post by myronguyton on Jan 12, 2021 12:15:35 GMT -5
The guy is a great receiver, but acquiring him is not going to make or break the future of this team. History would suggest that, much like rbs, an elite top 5 type wr is not essential in building a championship roster. The Giants certainly need to make upgrading the wr position a priority, but this doesn't need to be done in the 1st round of the draft.
I'd much prefer it if the Giants were able to acquire an elite level edge rusher with their first pick. I think that would have a much bigger impact on future overall success than a wr. The Giants have more than one hole, but the defense is the unit that could perceivably make the transformation to being great with a good offseason in 2021.
Furthermore, its a pretty strong wr class from what I understand. My guess is that the Giants will look to target a wr in rd 2 and also sign a wr in fa to address the problem, and I hope I'm right.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2021 12:24:07 GMT -5
The guy is a great receiver, but acquiring him is not going to make or break the future of this team. History would suggest that, much like rbs, an elite top 5 type wr is not essential in building a championship roster. The Giants certainly need to make upgrading the wr position a priority, but this doesn't need to be done in the 1st round of the draft. I'd much prefer it if the Giants were able to acquire an elite level edge rusher with their first pick. I think that would have a much bigger impact on future overall success than a wr. The Giants have more than one hole, but the defense is the unit that could perceivably make the transformation to being great with a good offseason in 2021. Furthermore, its a pretty strong wr class from what I understand. My guess is that the Giants will look to target a wr in rd 2 and also sign a wr in fa to address the problem, and I hope I'm right. the problem is an "elite" edge rusher just doesn't really exist at 11.. it would be a reach. This draft if underwelming with pass rushers and Gregory Rousseau is one year removed from playing football. WR, CB, LB, OT, are the way to go at this point but it depends who's on the board...
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Post by jb456 on Jan 12, 2021 12:25:42 GMT -5
Ha - you’re either tongue in cheek or you’ve bumped your head.
if Smith is there at 11 - he’ll be a Giant unless we are already ready to move on from DJ. Then possibly Mac Jones.
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one You mentioned several times that this is a deep draft for WR. If my memory serves me correct (it might not), I believe you mentioned that this years WR class was as good or better than last years class. Do the Giants need to invest their #1 pick at WR to find a #1 or will there be some be available in the 2nd round?
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Post by thetruth on Jan 12, 2021 12:29:17 GMT -5
You guys are crazy. DG isnt going WR in round 1. No need to worry about this. Looking at his draft history im not sure I want DG making the call on the WR anyway
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Post by Merc on Jan 12, 2021 12:34:10 GMT -5
smith didnt make it through this game, hard hiiitung thus far. he's not gonna hold up well in the NFL. He's 174 lbs and will be crushed going for jump balls in tight coverage unless he adds some muscle weight. His performance tonight was basically a pitch and catch show in wide open conditions for the most part. He's a talented guy, no doubt, but the NFL is quite a world apart. I actually would prefer Kyle Pitts over him. I also like Kyle Pitts. My only concern is that he makes it past Dallas.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:36:21 GMT -5
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one You mentioned several times that this is a deep draft for WR. If my memory serves me correct (it might not), I believe you mentioned that this years WR class was as good or better than last years class. Do the Giants need to invest their #1 pick at WR to find a #1 or will there be some be available in the 2nd round? There "should be" some good talent when we go again in the 2nd I'm partial to Bateman,Olave,Marshall here ....but if God forbid there is an unforseen run on WRs before our pick in the 2nd we could be in the hopes and prayers situation we have been in the past 2 years hoping a guy with warts (Coxie is falling a bit but I think he is legit)develops later...which probably means a slowpoke that doesn't do anything but catches 7 yard passes for 7 yards or a speedburner that has butterfingers or has no idea where he is going (or an asshole witn major red flags )
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 12, 2021 12:38:33 GMT -5
He's 174 lbs and will be crushed going for jump balls in tight coverage unless he adds some muscle weight. His performance tonight was basically a pitch and catch show in wide open conditions for the most part. He's a talented guy, no doubt, but the NFL is quite a world apart. I actually would prefer Kyle Pitts over him. I also like Kyle Pitts. My only concern is that he makes it past Dallas. I just don't see what value Pitts gives Dallas. They have 3 (maybe 2 if Gallup leaves) WRs are are all number 1s and a TE who is high quality. They just hired a defensive coordinator who is going to want to instill his legion of boom style defense. The are going CB is my bet.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:38:52 GMT -5
A big bodied slug that can't get seperation but is a top blocker in the run game in the 6th round Remember He spend a 2nd on Devin Funchess...a large tweener that didn't even have the production Engram has Don’t forget Kelvin Benjamin. The guy ate himself out of the league. Go to BBV.... That place is still stuck in prehistoric times and there are morons that hope we get a guy like him hE iS a PeRfEcT bIg bOdiEd ReCiEvEr We NeEd,MuCh bEtTeR tHaN tHaT sMuRf DaVoNtA SmItH Its a miracle I haven't been tossed yet trolling those idiots
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 12, 2021 12:39:54 GMT -5
I think he is being sarcastic....and I have my doubts with Gettleman understanding how to get modern playmakers myself Hopefully one of them drops and we get one You mentioned several times that this is a deep draft for WR. If my memory serves me correct (it might not), I believe you mentioned that this years WR class was as good or better than last years class. Do the Giants need to invest their #1 pick at WR to find a #1 or will there be some be available in the 2nd round? If we don't get Smith (no chance in hell), Chase (wouldn't even bet a penny on it) or Waddle (he'll be there I think), we should pray for Bateman or Olave in Rd2.
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Post by myronguyton on Jan 12, 2021 12:47:03 GMT -5
The guy is a great receiver, but acquiring him is not going to make or break the future of this team. History would suggest that, much like rbs, an elite top 5 type wr is not essential in building a championship roster. The Giants certainly need to make upgrading the wr position a priority, but this doesn't need to be done in the 1st round of the draft. I'd much prefer it if the Giants were able to acquire an elite level edge rusher with their first pick. I think that would have a much bigger impact on future overall success than a wr. The Giants have more than one hole, but the defense is the unit that could perceivably make the transformation to being great with a good offseason in 2021. Furthermore, its a pretty strong wr class from what I understand. My guess is that the Giants will look to target a wr in rd 2 and also sign a wr in fa to address the problem, and I hope I'm right. the problem is an "elite" edge rusher just doesn't really exist at 11.. it would be a reach. This draft if underwelming with pass rushers and Gregory Rousseau is one year removed from playing football. WR, CB, LB, OT, are the way to go at this point but it depends who's on the board... Thats a good point, and I certainly considered it. Of course Gregory Rousseau is exactly who I had in mind. Im not really even suggesting dont take Smith if he's available. He probably won't be, but of course I'd be more than fine with it if that's who we ended up with. Im really just suggesting itd be wise to not lock into having to go wr with the first pick just because its the most obvious need. But to reiterate my general point...while I certainly acknowledge Smith is more of a sure thing than Rousseau, if you could tell me that Rousseau will be 80-85% as good at being an nfl edge rusher as we think Smith will be at wr, I'd rather have Rousseau.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:47:19 GMT -5
I also like Kyle Pitts. My only concern is that he makes it past Dallas. I just don't see what value Pitts gives Dallas. They have 3 (maybe 2 if Gallup leaves) WRs are are all number 1s and a TE who is high quality. They just hired a defensive coordinator who is going to want to instill his legion of boom style defense. The are going CB is my bet. Because Jerruh Jones He wants a team to win being an entertaining super high octane Harlem globetrotters style team (this is where he had his rift with Jimmy Johnson..who understood that at that time while the game was starting to change that while having a good offense was good that back in the 90s having a good defense and that o line and running it was the winning way..Jerruh wanted the flashy stars... That team could have 4peated or more if Johnson won) They ruined tbe team last year letting Jones go and signing Cooper (ask yourself..is he that difference maker that takes over games singlehandedly that is worth 100 million,a cautionary tale for those that want to give a not as good version of him yhe same kind of deal to Robinson)then passing on McKinney for Lamb.. Quin may want...Quin will be lucky if any decent assets are given to him(not for nothing but he wanted that kind of defense in Atlanta and his entire time their they failed. Which tells me Pete Carrol had much more to do with that defense in Seattle being put together) But yeah The same thing is they need an all defense draft,even linebackers as Vander Esch is now officially an injury liability witb hks neck issue they ignored before drafting him They always have Jarwin and Schultz at TE
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:53:55 GMT -5
the problem is an "elite" edge rusher just doesn't really exist at 11.. it would be a reach. This draft if underwelming with pass rushers and Gregory Rousseau is one year removed from playing football. WR, CB, LB, OT, are the way to go at this point but it depends who's on the board... Thats a good point, and I certainly considered it. Of course Gregory Rousseau is exactly who I had in mind. Im not really even suggesting dont take Smith if he's available. He probably won't be, but of course I'd be more than fine with it if that's who we ended up with. Im really just suggesting itd be wise to not lock into having to go wr with the first pick just because its the most obvious need. But to reiterate my general point...while I certainly acknowledge Smith is more of a sure thing than Rousseau, if you could tell me that Rousseau will be 80-85% as good at being an nfl edge rusher as we think Smith will be at wr, I'd rather have Rousseau. I don't trust any of these edge rushers at 11 honestly Rousseau has a horrifically low floor to even be considered...we lucked out with JPP having a similar boom or bust feel but at least you could see 3 years of steady improvement and he wasn't immediately thrust into being a savior his rookie year with the depth they had on that d line (at DE with Tuck,Osi and Kiwi ) Paye is the other guy many think will go early Horrible fit at 275 lbs...he is a 4/3 guy that had a bad year.. All things being equal We get one of the 3 (who knows who flies up the boards at WR ,I think Olave could,remember Odell was a day 2 prospect until the combine)Wrs early Day 2 has some interesting edge guys like Jones,Weaver,eft The corners will be taken ahead of us,Surtain just made himself possibly a top 7 pick last night... Only guy on defense I consider is Parsons if he falls and that will be because Chase and Smith are gone and they are iffy about Waddle..
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2021 12:59:19 GMT -5
the problem is an "elite" edge rusher just doesn't really exist at 11.. it would be a reach. This draft if underwelming with pass rushers and Gregory Rousseau is one year removed from playing football. WR, CB, LB, OT, are the way to go at this point but it depends who's on the board... Thats a good point, and I certainly considered it. Of course Gregory Rousseau is exactly who I had in mind. Im not really even suggesting dont take Smith if he's available. He probably won't be, but of course I'd be more than fine with it if that's who we ended up with. Im really just suggesting itd be wise to not lock into having to go wr with the first pick just because its the most obvious need. But to reiterate my general point...while I certainly acknowledge Smith is more of a sure thing than Rousseau, if you could tell me that Rousseau will be 80-85% as good at being an nfl edge rusher as we think Smith will be at wr, I'd rather have Rousseau. Yep A good edge rusher is more important than a dynamic WR for sure, however none of the edge rushers are are worth a pick at 11.. Its a huge reach we can't do that esp when the offense is starved for weapons. I don't think we'll even have a chance at Smith and if the Giants address WR in FA chances are we aren't going to draft a WR with that pick unless for whatever miracle Smith or Chase drop. This is the kind of draft where if you need a WR you draft a WR and get your edge guy in round two. I know it sounds crazy, bc its usually the opposite, but that has more to do with not how bad we need a WR but how lackluster these edge guys are this year. The good news is there's going to be plenty of avenues the Giants can go with their first pick.. they just cna't reach... FA is going to tell us alot about where the giants are thinking of going draft wise.
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