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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 26, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley.
Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick?
When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 26, 2021 14:34:05 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 26, 2021 14:35:38 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. 12 to 3 is hell of a lot more than just a few spots as well |
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 26, 2021 14:40:38 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. I think they ended up with 6th pick. An extra 3rd rounder this year and an extra 1st in 2023. Did I calculate this right? I don't know if their moves were stellar for giving up pick number 3. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Mar 26, 2021 14:41:06 GMT -5
Well you have to have a GM that understood you werent extending a 38 year old qb's career by drafting a RB at #2.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 26, 2021 14:43:25 GMT -5
 I like Saquon as a player and a person....But it's like a Cowboys fan saying they never should have traded Herschel Walker. Is Saquon worth all those picks 3 years into his contract? |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 26, 2021 14:44:55 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. How so? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 26, 2021 14:45:49 GMT -5
Well you have to have a GM that understood you werent extending a 38 year old qb's career by drafting a RB at #2. Because they already drafted their franchise QB and didn't have a rapidly aging great one to try to salvage...... Huge difference (though trading back would have been good in 2018 as well even if they didn't like any of tbe QBs after Mayfield as it was rumored Mayfield was Shurmur's guy if he fell to us ) If we had the 3rd overall pick this year and we got that offer ....yeah..... |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 26, 2021 14:52:56 GMT -5
The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. How so? Quarterbacks. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 26, 2021 14:55:28 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. I still can't believe we didn't trade that pick and rebuild the entire OL, DL and secondary with the 27 picks we were offered, |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 26, 2021 14:59:11 GMT -5
I like Saquon as a player and a person....But it's like a Cowboys fan saying they never should have traded Herschel Walker. Is Saquon worth all those picks 3 years into his contract? Had the Giants been offered a 9 spot swap in the first plus a 3rd and two 1sts, the answer would be no. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 15:11:31 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. You need a trade partner who is desperate to make a trade like that. A trade like this doesn't come around every year and what team would have made a trade like this with the Giants based on who was picked after the Giants picked? Don't get me wrong, I would be all over a trade like this but you need a perfect storm of talent and a team willing to do it. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 15:14:44 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. I still can't believe we didn't trade that pick and rebuild the entire OL, DL and secondary with the 27 picks we were offered, The Giants are ridiculous.... Why didn't they pull the trade down lever that guaranteed them 3 first's and a 4th! The trade down lever was in the CBA and it forces teams to make lucrative trades with the Giants.... |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 26, 2021 15:18:45 GMT -5
I still can't believe we didn't trade that pick and rebuild the entire OL, DL and secondary with the 27 picks we were offered, The Giants are ridiculous.... Why didn't they pull the trade down lever that guaranteed them 3 first's and a 4th! The trade down lever was in the CBA and it forces teams to make lucrative trades with the Giants.... I read a post somewhere from a guy that knows a guy that knows a football reporter that proves the Giants were offered 6 1sts, 3 2nds and 14 3rds for that pick but they turned it down. I'll find the link. It's twitter post from some guy but that's proof, right? |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 26, 2021 17:28:42 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. You need a trade partner who is desperate to make a trade like that. A trade like this doesn't come around every year and what team would have made a trade like this with the Giants based on who was picked after the Giants picked? Don't get me wrong, I would be all over a trade like this but you need a perfect storm of talent and a team willing to do it. Someone could have been on to the fact that Josh Allen was really good and traded up for him. At the very least, they had to offer multiple first round picks and later round picks. The draft value map pretty much dictates the value. We weren't getting much less for a better pick....c'mon now |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 26, 2021 17:30:46 GMT -5
Reason #1848483893 We should have traded back instead of getting Barkley. Sweet geezus. They are getting like 4 first round picks for the #3 pick? When you play the lotto, best to get as many tickets as you can. Better chances that one pays off. The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. This pick is worth less than our 2018 #2 pick. |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 26, 2021 17:34:30 GMT -5
The value is completely different for that pick in this draft than it was in 2019. This pick is worth less than our 2018 #2 pick. In the land of make-believe. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 26, 2021 18:00:17 GMT -5
This pick is worth less than our 2018 #2 pick. In the land of make-believe. It's your position that the #2 pick in a QB heavy draft is less valuable than the #3 pick? You DO know that the number 2 is smaller than the number 3.....Right?
What could be the logic of this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:39:56 GMT -5
This pick is worth less than our 2018 #2 pick. In the land of make-believe.  |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 26, 2021 18:45:04 GMT -5
In the land of make-believe. It's your position that the #2 pick in a QB heavy draft is less valuable than the #3 pick? You DO know that the number 2 is smaller than the number 3.....Right?
What could be the logic of this?
This draft has more QB's projected in the first round and the top 10 is far deeper than 2018 overall. The fact we didn't even receive anything remotely close to what the Dolphins got tells you the difference in value between the picks right there. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 26, 2021 18:54:01 GMT -5
This pick is worth less than our 2018 #2 pick. In the land of make-believe. It's a Bigfoot sighting. Everyone just knows it's real, I mean their feelings can't be wrong, right? It's just so darn hard to find any actual evidence. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 20:13:13 GMT -5
You need a trade partner who is desperate to make a trade like that. A trade like this doesn't come around every year and what team would have made a trade like this with the Giants based on who was picked after the Giants picked? Don't get me wrong, I would be all over a trade like this but you need a perfect storm of talent and a team willing to do it. Someone could have been on to the fact that Josh Allen was really good and traded up for him. At the very least, they had to offer multiple first round picks and later round picks. The draft value map pretty much dictates the value. We weren't getting much less for a better pick....c'mon now Josh Allen wasn't that coveted. He went #7. No team traded up to 4 5 or 6. Apples and oranges... |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 26, 2021 21:58:21 GMT -5
Someone could have been on to the fact that Josh Allen was really good and traded up for him. At the very least, they had to offer multiple first round picks and later round picks. The draft value map pretty much dictates the value. We weren't getting much less for a better pick....c'mon now Josh Allen wasn't that coveted. He went #7. No team traded up to 4 5 or 6. Apples and oranges... Interesting that you left out that a team traded up to pick #3. Why is that? |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 26, 2021 22:09:50 GMT -5
It's your position that the #2 pick in a QB heavy draft is less valuable than the #3 pick? You DO know that the number 2 is smaller than the number 3.....Right?
What could be the logic of this?
This draft has more QB's projected in the first round and the top 10 is far deeper than 2018 overall. The fact we didn't even receive anything remotely close to what the Dolphins got tells you the difference in value between the picks right there. ...and you know this how?
Was it during the time Dave said he didn't answer the phone?
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 22:41:08 GMT -5
Josh Allen wasn't that coveted. He went #7. No team traded up to 4 5 or 6. Apples and oranges... Interesting that you left out that a team traded up to pick #3. Why is that? To get Sam Darnold. Was DG offered 3 firsts and a forth to get Darnold? Hell, the Giants themselves thought so much about SD that they decided to keep their old QB who hadn't had a good season in years to draft a RB. Apples and Oranges. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 22:43:20 GMT -5
Interesting that you left out that a team traded up to pick #3. Why is that? To get Sam Darnold. Was DG offered 3 firsts and a forth to get Darnold? Hell, the Giants themselves thought so much about SD that they decided to keep their old QB who hadn't had a good season in years to draft a RB. It looks like they were right too. Apples and Oranges. |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 26, 2021 22:43:23 GMT -5
Interesting that you left out that a team traded up to pick #3. Why is that? To get Sam Darnold. Was DG offered 3 firsts and a forth to get Darnold? Hell, the Giants themselves thought so much about SD that they decided to keep their old QB who hadn't had a good season in years to draft a RB. Apples and Oranges. Point being, if a team is willing to trade up to the 3rd pick, then they likely have little reason to not give the same package of picks for the 2nd pick. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 22:49:40 GMT -5
This draft has more QB's projected in the first round and the top 10 is far deeper than 2018 overall. The fact we didn't even receive anything remotely close to what the Dolphins got tells you the difference in value between the picks right there. ...and you know this how?
Was it during the time Dave said he didn't answer the phone?
How many QBs going in the top 10? At least 4 right, worst case 3, up to 5? Was Darnold ever considered a generational QB? This year >>>>>>>>>>> 2018. How do I know? Look at these trades. The proof is in the pudding. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 22:50:54 GMT -5
...and you know this how?
Was it during the time Dave said he didn't answer the phone?
How many QBs going in the top 10? At least 4 right, worst case 3, up to 5? Was Darnold ever considered a generational QB? This year >>>>>>>>>>> 2018. How do I know? Look at these trades. The proof is in the pudding. 2018 was smoke and Allen dropped like a rock. |
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Post by jb456 on Mar 26, 2021 23:00:40 GMT -5
To get Sam Darnold. Was DG offered 3 firsts and a forth to get Darnold? Hell, the Giants themselves thought so much about SD that they decided to keep their old QB who hadn't had a good season in years to draft a RB. Apples and Oranges. Point being, if a team is willing to trade up to the 3rd pick, then they likely have little reason to not give the same package of picks for the 2nd pick. Im cool with that but I don't think the Giants would have taken the 3 2s from the Jets. I don't even think they called the Giants, to much risk on both sides. If the Giants accepted the Jets trade and Darnald busted, the media would have been relentless, same with the Giants had Darnold turned into top 10 or 5 QB. I think there was a thread on the board at the time and a lot of posters were bummed that the Giants didn't get that trade but the Jets would have never traded with the Giants. Just like the Giants wouldnt trade with the Cowboys or Eagles |
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