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Post by allnygin on Oct 17, 2021 17:12:52 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team.
If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 17, 2021 17:19:22 GMT -5
19-51 last 70 games
It's been this bad for a long time.
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Post by te88 on Oct 17, 2021 17:27:02 GMT -5
19-51 last 70 games It's been this bad for a long time. Never had a winning record at any point for some unfathomable period of time. This franchise is historically bad. |
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 17, 2021 17:57:36 GMT -5
There are so many stats to show that this team needs to be torn apart at every level. How anyone believes we should keep this house of cards scotch taped together for another season out of fear of another rebuild is beyond me.
I'd rather go 1-15 next year and feel like the team made progress than go 3-13 (my expectation this year) and keep the trash heap of a team together just to do it all over again.
Fire Gettleman
Fire Judge
Fire Graham
Fire Garrett
Keep DJ as a 1 year bridge to a newly drafted QB
Find a way to offload our high priced low impact players (Williams, Golladay)
Sacrifice next year with the cap and talent for the true rebuild in 2023
How sad...
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 17, 2021 18:00:36 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. the offseason hype squad who always has this circus in the playoffs. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 17, 2021 18:02:48 GMT -5
There are so many stats to show that this team needs to be torn apart at every level. How anyone believes we should keep this house of cards scotch taped together for another season out of fear of another rebuild is beyond me. I'd rather go 1-15 next year and feel like the team made progress than go 3-13 (my expectation this year) and keep the trash heap of a team together just to do it all over again. Fire Gettleman Fire Judge Fire Graham Fire Garrett Keep DJ as a 1 year bridge to a newly drafted QB Find a way to offload our high priced low impact players (Williams, Golladay)canāt since they restructured so many and recently signed others. Those who applaud the $200 million dollar spend had no clue where that cash came from and probably still donāt. Weāre screwed |
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Post by allnygin on Oct 17, 2021 18:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by vinnie on Oct 17, 2021 18:10:37 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. the offseason hype squad who always has this circus in the playoffs. You know it will start all over after is years draft. Same people, same delusional bullshit. Iām already setting my expectations for 8-9 wins next season and thatās being optimistic. Iām sure Iāll hear how much better weāll be with everyone healthy, new players from the draft, new DC, etc. Then as soon as we start losing again it will be the same excuses. āThis is their first year under a new DCā āthe O line was injured last year, they need a few games to gelā āwe added some difference makers in the draft but theyāre only rookies, they need more time to developā. |
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 17, 2021 18:12:34 GMT -5
the offseason hype squad who always has this circus in the playoffs. You know it will start all over after is years draft. Same people, same delusional bullshit. Iām already setting my expectations for 8-9 wins next season and thatās being optimistic. Iām sure Iāll hear how much better weāll be with everyone healthy, new players from the draft, new DC, etc. Then as soon as we start losing again it will be the same excuses. āThis is their first year under a new DCā āthe O line was injured last year, they need a few games to gelā āwe added some difference makers in the draft but theyāre only rookies, they need more time to developā. That's why the new HC and GM need to have a track record of winning. No more first time former coordinators and old flames who were just fired from their other job. Find success and bring it to this team. That applies to the players too. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 17, 2021 18:15:59 GMT -5
the offseason hype squad who always has this circus in the playoffs. You know it will start all over after is years draft. Same people, same delusional bullshit. Iām already setting my expectations for 8-9 wins next season and thatās being optimistic. Iām sure Iāll hear how much better weāll be with everyone healthy, new players from the draft, new DC, etc. Then as soon as we start losing again it will be the same excuses. āThis is their first year under a new DCā āthe O line was injured last year, they need a few games to gelā āwe added some difference makers in the draft but theyāre only rookies, they need more time to developā. Wash, rise, repeat. |
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Post by vinnie on Oct 17, 2021 18:20:49 GMT -5
There are so many stats to show that this team needs to be torn apart at every level. How anyone believes we should keep this house of cards scotch taped together for another season out of fear of another rebuild is beyond me. I'd rather go 1-15 next year and feel like the team made progress than go 3-13 (my expectation this year) and keep the trash heap of a team together just to do it all over again. Fire Gettleman Fire Judge Fire Graham Fire Garrett Keep DJ as a 1 year bridge to a newly drafted QB Find a way to offload our high priced low impact players (Williams, Golladay)canāt since they restructured so many and recently signed others. Those who applaud the $200 million dollar spend had no clue where that cash came from and probably still donāt. Weāre screwed But all the cap specialists told us itās nothing to worry about, they can always make more room and the cap will be going up so it doesnāt matter. Actually, there were a lot of people who were applauding Gettleman for being so āsmahtā and over paying/securing these FAās because apparently he was so forward thinking and the only GM who knew the cap would be going up so we āgot a dealā on these FAās. |
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Post by thetruth on Oct 17, 2021 18:21:05 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. A man as arrogant/ignorant as Gettlemen should never have been given the keys. It was evident in 2017. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 17, 2021 18:27:51 GMT -5
canāt since they restructured so many and recently signed others. Those who applaud the $200 million dollar spend had no clue where that cash came from and probably still donāt. Weāre screwed But all the cap specialists told us itās nothing to worry about, they can always make more room and the cap will be going up so it doesnāt matter. Actually, there were a lot of people who were applauding Gettleman for being so āsmahtā and over paying/securing these FAās because apparently he was so forward thinking and the only GM who knew the cap would be going up so we āgot a dealā on these FAās. Those specialist still donāt recognize a problem. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 17, 2021 18:36:02 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. What happened to 2017 when they lost more games this this team ever had like 95 years that doesn't factor in lol. lol how about 2013 through 2015 please tell the whole story not just the last 3 years. Gettlemen deserves no quarter but this cancer has been festering since around 2009 with bad drafts and personnel decisions. |
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Post by allnygin on Oct 17, 2021 18:40:27 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. What happened to 2017 when they lost more games this this team ever had like 95 years that doesn't factor in lol. lol how about 2013 through 2015 please tell the whole story not just the last 3 years. Gettlemen deserves no quarter but this cancer has been festering since around 2009 with bad drafts and personnel decisions. I certainly agree, but the gettlemen experiment has been alarmingly bad. I think his point was to stay in the now since Gettlemen is still the gm, but that said yes, this problem is systemic and has being going on for quite a long time. |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 17, 2021 18:41:35 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. You could cite ANY Giants stat over the last 5 years and it would be pathetic. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 17, 2021 18:43:02 GMT -5
What happened to 2017 when they lost more games this this team ever had like 95 years that doesn't factor in lol. lol how about 2013 through 2015 please tell the whole story not just the last 3 years. Ā Gettlemen deserves no quarter but this cancer has been festering since around 2009 with bad drafts and personnel decisions. I certainly agree, but the gettlemen experiment has been alarmingly bad. I think his point was to stay in the now since Gettlemen is still the gm, but that said yes, this problem is systemic and has being going on for quite a long time.Ā Ā I'll insist he was brought in as a sock puppet because the way this team operated his first 2 years and being so prehistoric,neglecting any aspect of the passing game while drafting a qb at 6.... And throwing all these resources at the defense every year and it looks just like 2017,2019 again ... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 17, 2021 18:48:56 GMT -5
What happened to 2017 when they lost more games this this team ever had like 95 years that doesn't factor in lol. lol how about 2013 through 2015 please tell the whole story not just the last 3 years. Gettlemen deserves no quarter but this cancer has been festering since around 2009 with bad drafts and personnel decisions. I certainly agree, but the gettlemen experiment has been alarmingly bad. I think his point was to stay in the now since Gettlemen is still the gm, but that said yes, this problem is systemic and has being going on for quite a long time. If they treat it by just firing the GM nothing will change strap up for another 5 to ten years of bad ball they need to step into the modern era of NFL football. |
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Post by jaxnygmen on Oct 17, 2021 18:52:35 GMT -5
I was willing to give gettlemen a shot and even held off harsh judgement, bc I understand it takes time to build a team. That said, its over. That time period is up and he failed. The guy needs to step down or mara needs to fire him. However they want to handle it - is cool, but it just needs to be done. Use this time to start vetting interests and talking to other potential GMs get a head start on it before others start looking at candidates. If that's even allowed. Not sure if they're currently working for another team. If the new GM wants his own guys or whatever.. let it happen.. No more of this half in half out bs. I'll even pack judges bags for him.. No argument from me. The team is pathetic. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 17, 2021 19:15:52 GMT -5
There are so many stats to show that this team needs to be torn apart at every level. How anyone believes we should keep this house of cards scotch taped together for another season out of fear of another rebuild is beyond me. I'd rather go 1-15 next year and feel like the team made progress than go 3-13 (my expectation this year) and keep the trash heap of a team together just to do it all over again. Fire Gettleman Fire Judge Fire Graham Fire Garrett Keep DJ as a 1 year bridge to a newly drafted QB Find a way to offload our high priced low impact players (Williams, Golladay) Sacrifice next year with the cap and talent for the true rebuild in 2023 How sad... Your suggestion is that the Giants should fire the GM, HC, OC and DC and replace the QB to make the team worse in order for you to feel the team made progress? I'm gonna go with I hope they don't do exactly that, but some of it. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 17, 2021 19:19:55 GMT -5
canāt since they restructured so many and recently signed others. Those who applaud the $200 million dollar spend had no clue where that cash came from and probably still donāt. Weāre screwed But all the cap specialists told us itās nothing to worry about, they can always make more room and the cap will be going up so it doesnāt matter. Actually, there were a lot of people who were applauding Gettleman for being so āsmahtā and over paying/securing these FAās because apparently he was so forward thinking and the only GM who knew the cap would be going up so we āgot a dealā on these FAās.  |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 17, 2021 19:22:26 GMT -5
the offseason hype squad who always has this circus in the playoffs. You know it will start all over after is years draft. Same people, same delusional bullshit. Iām already setting my expectations for 8-9 wins next season and thatās being optimistic. Iām sure Iāll hear how much better weāll be with everyone healthy, new players from the draft, new DC, etc. Then as soon as we start losing again it will be the same excuses. āThis is their first year under a new DCā āthe O line was injured last year, they need a few games to gelā āwe added some difference makers in the draft but theyāre only rookies, they need more time to developā. Why would it matter what others that also have no bearing on the team think? |
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Post by vinnie on Oct 17, 2021 19:40:34 GMT -5
You know it will start all over after is years draft. Same people, same delusional bullshit. Iām already setting my expectations for 8-9 wins next season and thatās being optimistic. Iām sure Iāll hear how much better weāll be with everyone healthy, new players from the draft, new DC, etc. Then as soon as we start losing again it will be the same excuses. āThis is their first year under a new DCā āthe O line was injured last year, they need a few games to gelā āwe added some difference makers in the draft but theyāre only rookies, they need more time to developā. Why would it matter what others that also have no bearing on the team think? Do we have to go over every time someone states their opinion or do you just do it with me? Perhaps youāre not familiar with public message biards and how they work, especially ones related to sports. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 17, 2021 19:42:10 GMT -5
19-51 last 70 games It's been this bad for a long time. I was way too young to remember the terrible 70s but this team has actually surpassed that era of Giants as possibly the worst Giants team in a 10 yr span from 2012-2021. They suck at home, they suck on the rd, they suck everywhere. they're like mice on a field with Pythons. The Jaguars would beat this team by double digits if they played them next week! |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 17, 2021 19:45:18 GMT -5
19-51 last 70 games It's been this bad for a long time. I was way too young to remember the terrible 70s but this team has actually surpassed that era of Giants as possibly the worst Giants team in a 10 yr span from 2012-2021. They suck at home, they suck on the rd, they suck everywhere. they're like mice on a field with Pythons. The Jaguars would beat this team by double digits if they played them next week!Ā Statistically, this is the worst 70 game stretch the Giants have ever had in their teams history. So yes, it's worse than the 70s. And 90s. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 17, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5
I was way too young to remember the terrible 70s but this team has actually surpassed that era of Giants as possibly the worst Giants team in a 10 yr span from 2012-2021. They suck at home, they suck on the rd, they suck everywhere. they're like mice on a field with Pythons. The Jaguars would beat this team by double digits if they played them next week! Statistically, this is the worst 70 game stretch the Giants have ever had in their teams history. So yes, it's worse than the 70s. And 90s. Wow! We are probably the only team in the NFL that will be favored to lose the rest of our games by 7+ the rest of the yr. Looking at the rest of our schedule, I don't see us beating any single team left. And I see a handful of games where we will lose by 17-20+ pts. I think we're gonna be in a race with J-Ville for the #1 pick as we may be lucky to go 2-15. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 17, 2021 20:19:51 GMT -5
Statistically, this is the worst 70 game stretch the Giants have ever had in their teams history. So yes, it's worse than the 70s. And 90s. Wow! We are probably the only team in the NFL that will be favored to lose the rest of our games by 7+ the rest of the yr. Looking at the rest of our schedule, I don't see us beating any single team left. And I see a handful of games where we will lose by 17-20+ pts. I think we're gonna be in a race with J-Ville for the #1 pick as we may be lucky to go 2-15. Somehow we will still win 4-5 games. We could be favored vs Washington. The rest though looks rough. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 17, 2021 20:23:29 GMT -5
Wow! We are probably the only team in the NFL that will be favored to lose the rest of our games by 7+ the rest of the yr. Looking at the rest of our schedule, I don't see us beating any single team left. And I see a handful of games where we will lose by 17-20+ pts. I think we're gonna be in a race with J-Ville for the #1 pick as we may be lucky to go 2-15. Somehow we will still win 4-5 games. We could be favored vs Washington. The rest though looks rough. Depending on the health of our team vs others as well Most of our injuries at WR ans even Thomaa are kf the 1-3 week variety... We saw how good Thomaa is just by when he exited ... 4 to 5 wins seems likely |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 17, 2021 20:29:03 GMT -5
I was way too young to remember the terrible 70s but this team has actually surpassed that era of Giants as possibly the worst Giants team in a 10 yr span from 2012-2021. They suck at home, they suck on the rd, they suck everywhere. they're like mice on a field with Pythons. The Jaguars would beat this team by double digits if they played them next week! Statistically, this is the worst 70 game stretch the Giants have ever had in their teams history. So yes, it's worse than the 70s. And 90s. Nothing was worse than the 70's. Not even now. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 17, 2021 20:31:55 GMT -5
Statistically, this is the worst 70 game stretch the Giants have ever had in their teams history. So yes, it's worse than the 70s. And 90s. Nothing was worse than the 70's.Ā Not even now. The W-L columns disagree with you. I wasn't around for the 70s, but win % wise it wasn't this bad. |
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