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Post by Martin on Dec 2, 2021 21:23:32 GMT -5
This is telling how bad this organization really is that its been years that they can't put together a mediocre oline. They take a #6 pick QB from a basketball school in duke that has a shit football program then they take a RB who is suppose to be a "generational talent" knowing there oline can't block worth crap. Is there anything this organization can do right? Apparently not. That is why if the fire Gettlemen and keep the team that does all the leg work around nothing changes scouts and head of player personnel and pro personnel need to go the team around the GM are the talent hunters they aren't a good team, A ton of change needs to happen and we will need to be patient well they are putting it together. If this Happens pray to god that this happens. I am not so optimistic because this would mean a lot of close relationships would be torched. I just don't have confidence that Mara/Tisch are gonna do the hard line. Certainly not Mara. I guess I will pray to the football Gods and wait.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 3, 2021 9:37:52 GMT -5
Solder looks like a TE on a diet, seen him thrown around more than Peart but I'm not watching every play either. Hoping to see more of the physicality with Solder that Sale was talking about.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:00:44 GMT -5
I don’t even have to check his tape. He’s got an impossible name to pronounce. He’s definitely, Giants material. That's only edge/pass rushers ...til now!!! Let's start up the Sticky Icky bandwagon
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:02:19 GMT -5
The difference is that Thomas at least saw the field while working out the kinks. Apparently Peart isnt even good enough for that, WOOF!! That's true, but Thomas was the 4th overall pick. Watching from the bench was not an option. Especially with Solder opting out at the last minute. LOL, watching from the bench wasn't an option cause our OL was and still is in total shambles (outside of LT).
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:07:27 GMT -5
They are both projected to go in the 1st. Ekwonu and Linderbaum are projected to go in the mid 1st. Apparently alot of "insiders" are projecting Linderbaum to be the highest Center drafted in the past 20yrs (so 18th or higher). There are ALOT of pass rushers this draft, that's why I'd prefer going elsewhere if we can't get Thibodaux or Hutchinson Yep Would have been nice to get Hutch....alas.. Let's see how the board shakes out...we know a few names of good ones already that can move up... Now maybe there is a chance Neal falls to us? Neal and Linderbaum Wow Am I The only one that isn't in love with Neal?? Yes, I do have an anti-bama bias, but that aside, I don't see him being the best OT this draft. While in no means am I more than an amateur couch scout, I don't like this tape enough to warrant a top 10 pick. Dude seems to lunge, and lunge HARD on alot of his snaps. He's not a natural knee bender, half of his plays his lower and upper body nearly form a 90 degree angle. I have a feeling pass rushers are watching this and salivating, picture him whiffing on a punch and nearly toppling to the ground OK this was a little exaggerated, but I'm not a Neal fan, at least where he's projected to go
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:11:29 GMT -5
Good thing this guy will be on the board when we draft... Is there also a good right tackle sitting out there? I'd be happy going OG OT and C in the draft. If we were gonna go OG, OT, and C to totally rebuild the line in 1 fell swoop, I'd go.... 1A: Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa 1B: Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State 2: Darian Kinnard, OG, Kentucky OR Leticus Smith, OG, VaTech Those 2 guards play 100% totally different styles though
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Post by McCherry on Dec 3, 2021 13:24:44 GMT -5
That's true, but Thomas was the 4th overall pick. Watching from the bench was not an option. Especially with Solder opting out at the last minute. LOL, watching from the bench wasn't an option cause our OL was and still is in total shambles (outside of LT). I'm not following your point. If Peart was a #4 overall pick, he’d be playing.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:42:09 GMT -5
LOL, watching from the bench wasn't an option cause our OL was and still is in total shambles (outside of LT). I'm not following your point. If Peart was a #4 overall pick, he’d be playing. Our OL was/is so bad that a 3rd rounder should be starting day 1
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 13:46:02 GMT -5
If Solder is "more physical that Peart" then Peart was another blown draft pick for DG.
If his coach said work in progress, footwork, mental aspects etc I could live with it.
Less physical that Solder...........???
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Post by thetruth on Dec 3, 2021 13:58:33 GMT -5
Said at this stage Solder is just a better player more physical, said Peart needs to get his hands around someones neck and squeeze lol. This is a sad turn of events when a guy 3 years past his prime is just mentally more prepared to try wreck someone then a young big strong athlete. odd. Considering Pearts film shows the complete opposite in terms of whos more physical on the football field. Giants just being the Giants.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 3, 2021 14:34:47 GMT -5
I'm not following your point. If Peart was a #4 overall pick, he’d be playing. Our OL was/is so bad that a 3rd rounder should be starting day 1 Well, I agree. And we're playing for nothing anyway so who cares that Solder is 0.000001% better.
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Post by te88 on Dec 3, 2021 14:57:33 GMT -5
Said at this stage Solder is just a better player more physical, said Peart needs to get his hands around someones neck and squeeze lol. This is a sad turn of events when a guy 3 years past his prime is just mentally more prepared to try wreck someone then a young big strong athlete. odd. Considering Pearts film shows the complete opposite in terms of whos more physical on the football field. Giants just being the Giants. Exactly. Why are people buying the nonsense these coaches are selling. Peart is in the doghouse for whatever reason and Solder is getting the typical sweetheart treatment loser coaches give to veterans.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 3, 2021 15:00:48 GMT -5
odd. Considering Pearts film shows the complete opposite in terms of whos more physical on the football field. Giants just being the Giants. Exactly. Why are people buying the nonsense these coaches are selling. Peart is in the doghouse for whatever reason and Solder is getting the typical sweetheart treatment loser coaches give to veterans. probably some dumb all school thought of needing "veterans" on the OL. Soldier is just crap. No redeeming quality at all
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2021 8:03:37 GMT -5
Said at this stage Solder is just a better player more physical, said Peart needs to get his hands around someones neck and squeeze lol. This is a sad turn of events when a guy 3 years past his prime is just mentally more prepared to try wreck someone then a young big strong athlete. odd. Considering Pearts film shows the complete opposite in terms of whos more physical on the football field. Giants just being the Giants. Never see him finish blocks tho I have a free from what I have seen he isn't a physical blocker, he is young and still learning at a higher level of competition, It took Beatty 3 or 4 years out of UConn to get it, he was good when healthy but was never healthy. Sales Career is tied to the development of these young players the last thing he wants is to have Solder 4 years past his prime winning and staying in that spot. Peart has the tools and this is what I want from my OL coach fire that shot across the bow challenge this kid to step it up and get nasty.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2021 8:09:13 GMT -5
Our OL was/is so bad that a 3rd rounder should be starting day 1 Well, I agree. And we're playing for nothing anyway so who cares that Solder is 0.000001% better. We can all sit here and say this and that, For these coaches this is not nothing it is their dream job 1 of 32 they want to win games and keep their jobs, If Peart was taking his 320 pounds and pile driving guys even if his technique needed work he would be out there he's not, watch the tape mental errors late off the snap sometimes one time he didn't even get out of his stance, Not saying he's a bust but he needs to get his head in the game and his body watch the tape, he gets in the way more then blocks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2021 8:11:04 GMT -5
I'm not following your point. If Peart was a #4 overall pick, he’d be playing. Our OL was/is so bad that a 3rd rounder should be starting day 1 I want him to be a solid pick but he arrived injured and when he was in the games he was in he was slow out of stance a lot and seems to mot be on the attack.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2021 8:17:44 GMT -5
When was the last time we saw Matt Peart take a defender for a ride downfield watch Thomas when he gets into his guy he will drive as far as he can till buries him this is the mentality Peart is missing maybe this challenge will get it out of him.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 4, 2021 9:27:57 GMT -5
Solder couldn’t squeeze the water out of a sponge. This is a huge indictment on our young tackle. We have no choice but to look for right tackle this offseason. We still don’t even know what we have with Wilson. This is telling how bad this organization really is that its been years that they can't put together a mediocre oline. They take a #6 pick QB from a basketball school in duke that has a shit football program then they take a RB who is suppose to be a "generational talent" knowing there oline can't block worth crap. Is there anything this organization can do right? Apparently not. I still feel that Jones was drafted because of the Manning influence, just my opinion based on a gut feeling....
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 4, 2021 10:02:19 GMT -5
Wow, well a lot of us have been saying there is no way he could be worse than Solder...it looks like he is lol.
Another nail in the chowdah heads coffin.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 4, 2021 10:42:07 GMT -5
This is telling how bad this organization really is that its been years that they can't put together a mediocre oline. They take a #6 pick QB from a basketball school in duke that has a shit football program then they take a RB who is suppose to be a "generational talent" knowing there oline can't block worth crap. Is there anything this organization can do right? Apparently not. I still feel that Jones was drafted because of the Manning influence, just my opinion based on a gut feeling.... Of course. The Manning’s are the Kennedy’s of football. It’s how Adam Gase got a head coaching job for the Jets, and how Daniel Jones got drafted by us. They’re football royalty with powerful connections. If Eli Manning said Dick Head is the next top player.. John Mara would be hanging on every word.
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Post by Martin on Dec 4, 2021 10:56:10 GMT -5
This is telling how bad this organization really is that its been years that they can't put together a mediocre oline. They take a #6 pick QB from a basketball school in duke that has a shit football program then they take a RB who is suppose to be a "generational talent" knowing there oline can't block worth crap. Is there anything this organization can do right? Apparently not. I still feel that Jones was drafted because of the Manning influence, just my opinion based on a gut feeling.... I agree yes the Manning influence also David Cutcliffe. Looks like so far there all wrong. Not saying DJ is a bust but not a #6 pick.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 4, 2021 10:58:35 GMT -5
I still feel that Jones was drafted because of the Manning influence, just my opinion based on a gut feeling.... I agree yes the Manning influence also David Cutcliffe. Looks like so far there all wrong. Not saying DJ is a bust but not a #6 pick. If after 3 years, you’re still questioning whether this guy is the answer at QB, then he’s probably not
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Post by McCherry on Dec 4, 2021 11:27:36 GMT -5
When was the last time we saw Matt Peart take a defender for a ride downfield watch Thomas when he gets into his guy he will drive as far as he can till buries him this is the mentality Peart is missing maybe this challenge will get it out of him. But it took him a whole year to learn how to do that. And he was a top prospect. I'm not saying Peart will turn out the same, but Thomas didn't learn by sitting on the bench.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 4, 2021 12:34:25 GMT -5
Anyone ever notice the trend of poorly performing yet highly paid players starting regardless of performance?? It's been a staple of this team for years. It's obviously a Mara "I'm not paying a guy $5 million a year to be a back up" thing. Which makes sense, but it's just not conducive for "open competition" and fielding a winning team.
Solder gets blown up at least twice a game most weeks..and I mean he looks totally like a rag doll. I can't recall Peart being beat that badly so often.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 4, 2021 12:59:13 GMT -5
I thought Sale was supposed to turn Peart into a competent O line, the excuse last year was that he didn’t have enough size and his coaching was bad. Now Sale isn’t even endorsing him, what happened?
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2021 14:39:08 GMT -5
odd. Considering Pearts film shows the complete opposite in terms of whos more physical on the football field. Giants just being the Giants. Never see him finish blocks tho I have a free from what I have seen he isn't a physical blocker, he is young and still learning at a higher level of competition, It took Beatty 3 or 4 years out of UConn to get it, he was good when healthy but was never healthy. Sales Career is tied to the development of these young players the last thing he wants is to have Solder 4 years past his prime winning and staying in that spot. Peart has the tools and this is what I want from my OL coach fire that shot across the bow challenge this kid to step it up and get nasty. But Soldier has 0 redeeming qualities. He a worse OT than Flowers. I dont get why he's in there
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 4, 2021 14:53:20 GMT -5
I still feel that Jones was drafted because of the Manning influence, just my opinion based on a gut feeling.... I agree yes the Manning influence also David Cutcliffe. Looks like so far there all wrong. Not saying DJ is a bust but not a #6 pick. Why is this conspiracy theory a thing? Shurmer was the guy who had the ultimate say in the choice of QBs. He wasn't going to have someone else dictate who his career (which ultimately was cut Because of other things)would be riding on Trust me if Shurmer wanted Josh Allen or Darnold either of those 2 guys would have been the pick If Herbert came out in 2019 I'm pretty sure he would have been the pick because Gettleman loved that guy and Shurmer would have probably as well. The fact Jonee had a great rookie year pretty much confirmed this . Hell,if Kitchens starts jumping up and down like a lunatic that he sees Corral as the guy and Judge agrees we very well could see a surprise next April day 1 Yes Eli and Cutcliff had some input in a scouting sense,it's called due diligence,nothing more though.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 4, 2021 15:05:48 GMT -5
I agree yes the Manning influence also David Cutcliffe. Looks like so far there all wrong. Not saying DJ is a bust but not a #6 pick. Why is this conspiracy theory a thing? Shurmer was the guy who had the ultimate say in the choice of QBs. He wasn't going to have someone else dictate who his career (which ultimately was cut Because of other things)would be riding on Trust me if Shurmer wanted Josh Allen or Darnold either of those 2 guys would have been the pick If Herbert came out in 2019 I'm pretty sure he would have been the pick because Gettleman loved that guy and Shurmer would have probably as well. The fact Jonee had a great rookie year pretty much confirmed this .Hell,if Kitchens starts jumping up and down like a lunatic that he sees Corral as the guy and Judge agrees we very well could see a surprise next April day 1 Yes Eli and Cutcliff had some input in a scouting sense,it's called due diligence,nothing more though. And you don't just forget how to play. Jones was a completely different QB as a rookie. All he did was throw completions, he carried the team on his back and did all the things he's accused of not doing now. Had Schurmur stayed, his career might've turned out different, but sometimes you can't turn back the clock. Unfortunately, many promising QB's have been ruined by bad coaching.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 4, 2021 15:20:11 GMT -5
Why is this conspiracy theory a thing? Shurmer was the guy who had the ultimate say in the choice of QBs. He wasn't going to have someone else dictate who his career (which ultimately was cut Because of other things)would be riding on Trust me if Shurmer wanted Josh Allen or Darnold either of those 2 guys would have been the pick If Herbert came out in 2019 I'm pretty sure he would have been the pick because Gettleman loved that guy and Shurmer would have probably as well. The fact Jonee had a great rookie year pretty much confirmed this .Hell,if Kitchens starts jumping up and down like a lunatic that he sees Corral as the guy and Judge agrees we very well could see a surprise next April day 1 Yes Eli and Cutcliff had some input in a scouting sense,it's called due diligence,nothing more though. And you don't just forget how to play. Jones was a completely different QB as a rookie. All he did was throw completions, he carried the team on his back and did all the things he's accused of not doing now. Had Schurmur stayed, his career might've turned out different, but sometimes you can't turn back the clock. Unfortunately, many promising QB's have been ruined by bad coaching. Yeah I'm starting to trend "ruined" as well unfortunately..... The sign of a dead end franchise
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 15:29:33 GMT -5
That’s it? Phew, was starting to get concerned. Offensive linemen are not really needed when you have a solid punter. LOL
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