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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 11:50:52 GMT -5
WHY SHOULD HE BE BACK?
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Post by Roswell on Dec 6, 2021 11:53:11 GMT -5
Oh yea, forgot about that trash excuse Guy is a ****ing joke kill the coach is the big theme around here. Been going on since 2006. Every word, action, etc gets killed. I know you defend him but his in game management has been horrendous. Let's give him the 2 punts in the first half from midfield. I can understand him punting there. But 4th and 2 mid 3rd quarter in a 10-6 game from the Miami 46? Very few coaches of a 4-7 team aren't showing the guts to go for it there. He plays to not lose. And that never works with a middling team.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 6, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -5
Joe Judge is as bad as any coach who ever coached the Giants. Arguably even worse than the last two. I really couldn't care less about what these coaches say during press conferences. Judge appears to be living proof that press conference performances have no correlation to on-field performance. What I do care about is the on-field results, which clearly have not been there. And it's not just wins and losses ... Judge's team hasn't shown what he promised to bring to this team ... smart, disciplined and physical football. His primary job (other than winning obviously) was to develop our young QB. More than half-way through his second season, it appears that he has failed miserably at that job. He appears overmatched in making in-game decisions. Starting to have all of the earmarks of another disastrous hire by Mara. I hope that he can turn it around, but my doubts grow by the week. I'm most down on him for what I think is ruining a young QB that showed some really good stuff as a rookie. But agree with everything you said.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 6, 2021 11:59:23 GMT -5
Joe Judge is as bad as any coach who ever coached the Giants. Arguably even worse than the last two. I really couldn't care less about what these coaches say during press conferences. Judge appears to be living proof that press conference performances have no correlation to on-field performance. What I do care about is the on-field results, which clearly have not been there. And it's not just wins and losses ... Judge's team hasn't shown what he promised to bring to this team ... smart, disciplined and physical football. His primary job (other than winning obviously) was to develop our young QB. More than half-way through his second season, it appears that he has failed miserably at that job. He appears overmatched in making in-game decisions. Starting to have all of the earmarks of another disastrous hire by Mara. I hope that he can turn it around, but my doubts grow by the week. I don't like to make hindsight corrections, but the Joe Judge hiring was something we were ALL wrong about. Looking back, I don't know what we were thinking. 38 year-old first time coach. Special teams coordinator, former Belichik assistant. I think we were all just so desperate for a turnaround, we went all in on Joe. But I'm not running a billion dollar organization, the Giants should've been smarter. And they sold us on this too. And the Giants, hiring him in the middle of their meeting when no other teams were interested.... I think they were so set on Matt Rhule and so stunned when they didn't even get a meeting, they wanted to move past it before that story went too far in the media. "We got our guy." They hired Judge right on the spot, didn't sleep on it, didn't even talk to the experienced coaches like McCarthy or Rivera. Next time, do NOT hire anyone on the spot. Interview several candidates, then make a decision when the time is right.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 6, 2021 11:59:42 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with what I want to hear....at least regarding my feeling better. It has to do with accepting poor play and being happy with it. Which he says he is. Imo, the fans have every right to complain yet, so many have been barking out in any and every direction. Most of the fans make little sense. Any word, etc is going to get killed. The inept OL is as inept as the QB Glennon and Jones isn’t doing much better. Our head coach disagrees with you.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 6, 2021 12:00:45 GMT -5
When McAdoo took the opposite approach and said the team played like garbage the media and the fans were screaming "how dare you!" Doesn't matter much what Judge says after the game. If the team wins fans are happy, if they lose fans want people fired. This is truth. Winning cures all. If Bill Belichick was losing all the time, you know how quick his schtick would grow old and get destroyed by the fans and media. Like, "Who is this bum cutting off his sweatshirt arms and mumbling like a momo?" But he wins, so its "Damn this guy is funny and understands football."
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 12:01:34 GMT -5
Yes the offense is horrible. yes they have scored a grand total of 2 TD's in the last three games. So don't tell us how how happy you are with what you saw on the field with our offense. Don't tell us that "they did a great job today" Don't tell us that "they made a lot of big plays" This is the ultimate **** you to the fans. Not only do we have to watch our team suck it up on the field, but now we have to hear about how acceptable it is to the head coach. As far as I'm concerned this attitude is an absolute firing offense. I fully expected him to go on a rant about how awful the offense is and how unacceptable it is. What we got was a complete shock to me. How low have our standards become? It's one thing to stink. It's quite another for our head coach to be happy with it. Joe has to go. have to agree thought he might survive what should be the purge that they should of had years ago scouting department and all, It is looking more like a clean sweep, with Jones having year 4 to prove they don't need a new young QB in 2023. If he doesn't by then with competent people making the decisions on draft night. the OL should be ready for a new rookie QB by 2023 and they will have to trade more then likely some picks and maybe future picks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:02:58 GMT -5
kill the coach is the big theme around here. Been going on since 2006. Every word, action, etc gets killed. I know you defend him but his in game management has been horrendous. Let's give him the 2 punts in the first half from midfield. I can understand him punting there. But 4th and 2 mid 3rd quarter in a 10-6 game from the Miami 46? Very few coaches of a 4-7 team aren't showing the guts to go for it there. He plays to not lose. And that never works with a middling team. the only coaches i killed was Shumur and Perry Fewell. I’ve defended the rest. No question they all make mistakes include Judge. Meanwhile, the guesswork around here is laughable. From “he’s running the draft”, in Judge we trust, he lost the locker room, etc, etc. Plays not to lose, ok. How many coaches have won with Glennon? Jones? How come Coughlin, Mac and Shumur all lost with Eli? Gee, how come so many coaches were unsuccessful with the Cleveland Browns? Guess what? We’re the Browns.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:04:20 GMT -5
Imo, the fans have every right to complain yet, so many have been barking out in any and every direction. Most of the fans make little sense. Any word, etc is going to get killed. The inept OL is as inept as the QB Glennon and Jones isn’t doing much better. Our head coach disagrees with you. If he called out these QB’s the same fickle fans would go ape like they did with Eli.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 12:04:58 GMT -5
I blame everything on Garrett. Get rid of him and we’ll be contenders.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:07:24 GMT -5
I blame everything on Garrett. Get rid of him and we’re be contenders. yeah, that posse got quiet. Modern day football!! Oh, the play calling is sooooo much better. Yeah ok.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 6, 2021 12:08:39 GMT -5
He doesn't know NYC culture. He is a southern, country boy. Isn't he from Philly?? That IS the south to New Yawkas 😁😁
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 6, 2021 12:08:46 GMT -5
Joe Judge is as bad as any coach who ever coached the Giants. Arguably even worse than the last two. WOW MC, I think I might agree with you. And the last 2 were beauties.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 12:14:49 GMT -5
Oh yea, forgot about that trash excuse Guy is a ****ing joke kill the coach is the big theme around here. Been going on since 2006. Every word, action, etc gets killed. I've been on record as saying a Coach should have more than three years. I can't even defend Joe Judge. No accountability, pure bs out of his mouith time and time again. So I get why the fan base is so irrate. - He went into the season with an overvalued offensive line which turned around and bit him in the ass. - the team is bad injuries or not - daniel jones has not been developed and as such bc he over valued his oline and neglected it this offseason we still haven't gotten a truly accurate - - - depiction of who jones is. - awful time management. - Does not hold players accountable. etc.. Joe Jude is and has been in over his head. Is firing him the correct choice? I don't think so, only unless the new GM wants his own coach as it should be, that said there is a consequence for having a carrousel of coaches year after year, but I am certainly understanding to those that do what him to go, as they have valid points. The real problem is the maras anyway
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 6, 2021 12:16:59 GMT -5
I blame everything on Garrett. Get rid of him and we’re be contenders. yeah, that posse got quiet. Modern day football!! Oh, the play calling is sooooo much better. Yeah ok. Garrett was terrible, and a big part of the problem. Obviously, there are other serious deeply rooted issues here, but he is not absolved.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 12:17:19 GMT -5
kill the coach is the big theme around here. Been going on since 2006. Every word, action, etc gets killed. I've been on record as saying a Coach should have more than three years. I can't even defend Joe Judge. No accountability, pure bs out of his mouith time and time again. So I get why the fan base is so irrate. - He went into the season with an overvalued offensive line which turned around and bit him in the ass. - the team is bad injuries or not - daniel jones has not been developed and as such bc he over valued his oline and neglected it this offseason we still haven't gotten a truly accurate - - - depiction of who jones is. - awful time management. - Does not hold players accountable. etc.. Joe Jude is and has been in over his head. Is firing him the correct choice? I don't think so, only unless the new GM wants his own coach as it should be, that said there is a consequence for having a carrousel of coaches year after year, but I am certainly understanding to those that do what him to go, as they have valid points. The real problem is the maras anyway Pretty much everything here ...
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:22:10 GMT -5
kill the coach is the big theme around here. Been going on since 2006. Every word, action, etc gets killed. - Does not hold players accountable. b/c you didn’t hear it in a press conference? Really? A press conference is which the same idiots asked more questions about a headset than about the game? The same headset the fickle keep bringing up when Judge said “i don’t want to make this about the” stupid head sets? Accountable? Who would you like to bench?? The vast majority are already backups
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5
yeah, that posse got quiet. Modern day football!! Oh, the play calling is sooooo much better. Yeah ok. Garrett was terrible, and a big part of the problem. Obviously, there are other serious deeply rooted issues here, but he is not absolved. The scheme changes I have seen are actually an improvement. routes are more layered depth wise.Rubs and meshes are common resulting in recievere having much more seperation the past 2 weeks. More motion,more quick hitters to "playmaker" in space and plays designed for specific skillsets We have not seen everyone run stick routes and curles ... The problem is that we are leaving all these opportunities on the field 1.the o line is going to short circuit these opportunities,especially in the run game 2.drops 3.this past game horrible accuracy by qb. 4.players having to run these plays that are a wish version of who they were designed for (Cooper having to play slot because Shepard and Toney are hurt)
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 6, 2021 12:23:48 GMT -5
lol, it’s as if you need the coach to tell you what you want to hear. The moment he speaks the truth he loses the locker room and the fans call him out for doing so. Good or bad coach, he’s saying all the right things. Quite the contrary, Mac wasn’t as articulate and was killed despite a miserable roster. The moment he spoke out about Eli, BOOM, the truth hurt too many fans and ex-players. It’s the players more than any coach since Coughlin. Nobody wins with this mess. (but the timeouts, i get it but who gives a hoot?) McAdoo wasn't run out of town for his talk with the media; it was his active incompetence in the role that cost him his job.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 6, 2021 12:24:30 GMT -5
Since no one here is making that decision, I'd say you're asking the wrong folks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:25:31 GMT -5
yeah, that posse got quiet. Modern day football!! Oh, the play calling is sooooo much better. Yeah ok. Garrett was terrible, and a big part of the problem. Obviously, there are other serious deeply rooted issues here, but he is not absolved. ya think? The modern day BS’ers post more inaccuracies than they accuse Judge of speaking.
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Post by mj312 on Dec 6, 2021 12:26:33 GMT -5
We are on our 4th head coach in 10 years .. if you didn’t know any different and just watched the games you would think it’s the same coach over and over because these giants teams all look identical on the field .. nothing ever changes , nobody gets better , nobody develops , lack of talent , lack of playmakers . We are always the most boring team in football . the problems in the NY Giants are way deeper than the coaches .
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:27:17 GMT -5
lol, it’s as if you need the coach to tell you what you want to hear. The moment he speaks the truth he loses the locker room and the fans call him out for doing so. Good or bad coach, he’s saying all the right things. Quite the contrary, Mac wasn’t as articulate and was killed despite a miserable roster. The moment he spoke out about Eli, BOOM, the truth hurt too many fans and ex-players. It’s the players more than any coach since Coughlin. Nobody wins with this mess. (but the timeouts, i get it but who gives a hoot?) McAdoo wasn't run out of town for his talk with the media; it was his active incompetence in the role that cost him his job. yeah, he only went 11-5. Then no improvements to the OL, all the receivers got injured and Eli stunk. Chalk it up as incompetence and the team has been so successful since his departure too.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:27:51 GMT -5
We are on our 4th head coach in 10 years .. if you didn’t know any different and just watched the games you would think it’s the same coach over and over because these giants teams all look identical on the field .. nothing ever changes , nobody gets better , nobody develops , lack of talent , lack of playmakers . We are always the most boring team in football . the problems in the NY Giants are way deeper than the coaches . at least somebody gets it.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 6, 2021 12:31:45 GMT -5
I know you defend him but his in game management has been horrendous. Let's give him the 2 punts in the first half from midfield. I can understand him punting there. But 4th and 2 mid 3rd quarter in a 10-6 game from the Miami 46? Very few coaches of a 4-7 team aren't showing the guts to go for it there. He plays to not lose. And that never works with a middling team. the only coaches i killed was Shumur and Perry Fewell. I’ve defended the rest. No question they all make mistakes include Judge. Meanwhile, the guesswork around here is laughable. From “he’s running the draft”, in Judge we trust, he lost the locker room, etc, etc. Plays not to lose, ok. How many coaches have won with Glennon? Jones? How come Coughlin, Mac and Shumur all lost with Eli? Gee, how come so many coaches were unsuccessful with the Cleveland Browns? Guess what? We’re the Browns. Exactly. Ya know, from my perception, despite the offensive line being decimated and giving up some pressures, they weren't the problem yesterday. They did run the ball decently and there were a number of.plays where Glennon had plenty of time to throw down field. And there have been a number of games this year where I thought that was the case. And I've been talking about the OL being a problem since 2010. I actually thought (aside.from probably 4 games) the QBs have had the most time they've had in years. Solder and Hernandez just have some atrocious moments though. And there have been a lot of penalties. But anyway, that is a Judge accomplishment. I think he and his staff have shown an ability to get the most out of their offensive linemen. Even last season. The Giants could run the ball with a young o-line. He also hired Patrick Graham. Which people slammed him for. But I was probably the only one (or one of very few) saying I thought he ran an interesting scheme in Miami that could work with better players. And he deserves big props for readjusting his scheme. The defense was not the problem yesterday. Last season, who decided to go away from the run when they couldn't be stopped? Jason Garrett. He did the same in Dallas. I mean, they still would've lost more than won because slayton was their #1 wr lol.But that kind of stuff irks me. Stick with what works until it doesn't. He did the opposite. And I think it's quite obvious Garrett was forced on Judge by the Mara's. He is the opposite everything Judge preachers. Then what happens when we finally get rid of the clapper? Jones gets injured. That isn't Judge's fault. Jones is a damned good QB when given time It's very possible that they win yesterday with Jones. Guys were open often because they have shown more creative, modern route concepts since getting rid of Mara's little ginger prince. Regardless, it doesn't help the QBs that Toney and Shepard aren't out there With all that said I do acknowledge that Judge's clock management has been bad. As well as his use of challenges. I also think he should.push to have underperforming players with upside like Engram traded too. But I also think he has shown a good eye for talent, and a pretty good eye for finding decent coaches. I do think he should get a third season with his staff to see if it can all come together.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 12:31:54 GMT -5
We are on our 4th head coach in 10 years .. if you didn’t know any different and just watched the games you would think it’s the same coach over and over because these giants teams all look identical on the field .. nothing ever changes , nobody gets better , nobody develops , lack of talent , lack of playmakers . We are always the most boring team in football . the problems in the NY Giants are way deeper than the coaches . at least somebody gets it. If you've noticed outside of a few outliers most people on here know the issues lie with ownership. That being said - fans understand an owner isn't going to just fire themselves or sell the team. So, as with most fans they want changes where changes can be made. Now are they the right changes? Usually not, however, it gives them hope. See you need to understand it from that groups perspective. There's no sense in arguing. Has joe judge or any other coach here done great since coughlin.. hell no. was it entierly their faults no, but they owned a share of it. Until Mara gets it through his thick head that his entire FO needs to be demoted or fired and gets some help and or just gets lucky.. this is how its going to be.. Might as well accept it and just hope he gets lucky one of these times.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:38:02 GMT -5
the only coaches i killed was Shumur and Perry Fewell. I’ve defended the rest. No question they all make mistakes include Judge. Meanwhile, the guesswork around here is laughable. From “he’s running the draft”, in Judge we trust, he lost the locker room, etc, etc. Plays not to lose, ok. How many coaches have won with Glennon? Jones? How come Coughlin, Mac and Shumur all lost with Eli? Gee, how come so many coaches were unsuccessful with the Cleveland Browns? Guess what? We’re the Browns. Exactly. Ya know, from my perception, despite the offensive line being decimated and giving up some pressures, they weren't the problem yesterday. They did run the ball decently and there were a number of.plays where Glennon had plenty of time to throw down field. And there have been a number of games this year where I thought that was the case. And I've been talking about the OL being a problem since 2010. I actually thought (aside.from probably 4 games) the QBs have had the most time they've had in years. Solder and Hernandez just have some atrocious moments though. And there have been a lot of penalties. But anyway, that is a Judge accomplishment. I think he and his staff have shown an ability to get the most out of their offensive linemen. Even last season. The Giants could run the ball with a young o-line. He also hired Patrick Graham. Which people slammed him for. But I was probably the only one (or one of very few) saying I thought he ran an interesting scheme in Miami that could work with better players. And he deserves big props for readjusting his scheme. The defense was not the problem yesterday. Last season, who decided to go away from the run when they couldn't be stopped? Jason Garrett. He did the same in Dallas. I mean, they still would've lost more than won because slayton was their #1 wr lol.But that kind of stuff irks me. Stick with what works until it doesn't. He did the opposite. And I think it's quite obvious Garrett was forced on Judge by the Mara's. He is the opposite everything Judge preachers. Then what happens when we finally get rid of the clapper? Jones gets injured. That isn't Judge's fault. Jones is a damned good QB when given time It's very possible that they win yesterday with Jones. Guys were open often because they have shown more creative, modern route concepts since getting rid of Mara's little ginger prince. Regardless, it doesn't help the QBs that Toney and Shepard aren't out there With all that said I do acknowledge that Judge's clock management has been bad. As well as his use of challenges. But I think he has shown a good eye for talent, and a pretty good eye for finding decent coaches too. I do think he should get a third season with his staff. good post and logical. Ty No idea if Judge is or deserves to come back. It’s as bad a hand as you can have yet we’re not hearing of a lost locker room or players checking out. Good enough to keep him? I don’t know. When you have questions at every position, what can you do? The QB is inaccurate or the HB doesn’t hit the hole, or there is no hole, then the penalty, then the receiver goes down or drops the ball, etc. With so much change week to week the dysfunctional offense is often non-functional. Right now, the team has a LT and if not for the salary cap you can make a case to replace all who were out there yesterday. lol, oh baby.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 6, 2021 12:40:53 GMT -5
I really couldn't care less about what these coaches say during press conferences. Judge appears to be living proof that press conference performances have no correlation to on-field performance. What I do care about is the on-field results, which clearly have not been there. And it's not just wins and losses ... Judge's team hasn't shown what he promised to bring to this team ... smart, disciplined and physical football. His primary job (other than winning obviously) was to develop our young QB. More than half-way through his second season, it appears that he has failed miserably at that job. He appears overmatched in making in-game decisions. Starting to have all of the earmarks of another disastrous hire by Mara. I hope that he can turn it around, but my doubts grow by the week. I don't like to make hindsight corrections, but the Joe Judge hiring was something we were ALL wrong about. Looking back, I don't know what we were thinking. 38 year-old first time coach. Special teams coordinator, former Belichik assistant. I think we were all just so desperate for a turnaround, we went all in on Joe. But I'm not running a billion dollar organization, the Giants should've been smarter. And they sold us on this too. And the Giants, hiring him in the middle of their meeting when no other teams were interested.... I think they were so set on Matt Rhule and so stunned when they didn't even get a meeting, they wanted to move past it before that story went too far in the media. "We got our guy." They hired Judge right on the spot, didn't sleep on it, didn't even talk to the experienced coaches like McCarthy or Rivera. Next time, do NOT hire anyone on the spot. Interview several candidates, then make a decision when the time is right. McCarthy interviewed with us. I don't think we're gonna fire Judge, but until he literally turns it around, everything TCHOF said is spot on. Hope he can figure it out. He'll undoubtedly have a new guy to shape the roster with in the front office.
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 6, 2021 12:42:04 GMT -5
I really couldn't care less about what these coaches say during press conferences. Judge appears to be living proof that press conference performances have no correlation to on-field performance. What I do care about is the on-field results, which clearly have not been there. And it's not just wins and losses ... Judge's team hasn't shown what he promised to bring to this team ... smart, disciplined and physical football. His primary job (other than winning obviously) was to develop our young QB. More than half-way through his second season, it appears that he has failed miserably at that job. He appears overmatched in making in-game decisions. Starting to have all of the earmarks of another disastrous hire by Mara. I hope that he can turn it around, but my doubts grow by the week. I don't like to make hindsight corrections, but the Joe Judge hiring was something we were ALL wrong about. Looking back, I don't know what we were thinking. 38 year-old first time coach. Special teams coordinator, former Belichik assistant. I think we were all just so desperate for a turnaround, we went all in on Joe. But I'm not running a billion dollar organization, the Giants should've been smarter. And they sold us on this too. And the Giants, hiring him in the middle of their meeting when no other teams were interested.... I think they were so set on Matt Rhule and so stunned when they didn't even get a meeting, they wanted to move past it before that story went too far in the media. "We got our guy." They hired Judge right on the spot, didn't sleep on it, didn't even talk to the experienced coaches like McCarthy or Rivera. Next time, do NOT hire anyone on the spot. Interview several candidates, then make a decision when the time is right. It's often a beauty contest. I made a comparison to Siriani's press conference and we were all saying we were so glad we got Judge and that we hoped Siriani would stay in Philly forever.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:42:33 GMT -5
at least somebody gets it. If you've noticed outside of a few outliers most people on here know the issues lie with ownership. That being said - fans understand an owner isn't going to just fire themselves or sell the team. So, as with most fans they want changes where changes can be made. Now are they the right changes? Usually not, however, it gives them hope. See you need to understand it from that groups perspective. There's no sense in arguing. Has joe judge or any other coach here done great since coughlin.. hell no. was it entierly their faults no, but they owned a share of it. Until Mara gets it through his thick head that his entire FO needs to be demoted or fired and gets some help and or just gets lucky.. this is how its going to be.. Might as well accept it and just hope he gets lucky one of these times. No, i’m going after Gettleman b/c i can’t blame the owner b/c i know that can’t be changed. I can blame Mara for not dismissing Gettleman or being manipulated by a LOUD minority of fans and ex-players who forced Eli back on us. Remember, it was Mac who wanted to trade up for Mahomes. Fast forward, look at this mess since that draft.
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