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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 11:26:10 GMT -5
In your case, it’s forgetting facts. OK. Somehow that doesn't feel so bad if the alternative is not knowing the definition of the word. It’s not about feelings, your perception of definition, memory recall, forgetfulness, etc. It’s a simple fact.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 7, 2021 11:47:42 GMT -5
Thank you. This is perfectly said. Why fans continue to think that football people speak their mind in front of a 🎤 is beyond me.
Stop believing GMs and coaches at microphones. Evaluate their performance and behaviour. No one really believes that they speak their minds directly and unambiguously. But there is a 'code of coach-speak' that is usually followed, such as not embarrassing players by name, or no foul language, or moderating displeasure in public, that STILL allow a speaker to convey the subtext of their message. So sure, ordinary BS is to be expected. BUT the first rule that must be obeyed is DON'T INSULT YOUR AUDIENCE WITH PURE BULLSHIT!Yup. See this: www.yahoo.com/sports/call-giants-joe-judge-cant-154750259.html
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 7, 2021 12:07:14 GMT -5
OK. Somehow that doesn't feel so bad if the alternative is not knowing the definition of the word. It’s not about feelings, your perception of definition, memory recall, forgetfulness, etc. It’s a simple fact. I'm aware it has nothing to do with the definition of the word, you are just expressing your feelings. That's all we're talking about here.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 12:14:39 GMT -5
It’s not about feelings, your perception of definition, memory recall, forgetfulness, etc. It’s a simple fact. I'm aware it has nothing to do with the definition of the word, you are just expressing your feelings. That's all we're talking about here. You’re forgot the topic of fact as of 2am.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 7, 2021 12:37:28 GMT -5
I'm aware it has nothing to do with the definition of the word, you are just expressing our feelings. That's all we're talking about here. You’re forgot the topic of fact as of 2am. What are you on about? You didn't post a single reference whether that be an article from the beat, a poll of some kind, maybe an angry FB group ranting about Mac in Sept 2017, etc. All you said, was "my memory is good, this is a fact." I'm good at retaining information too. Around that time we lost a lot of stupid games and the offense which had already been in a drastic slide the year before (but it looked like we upgraded personnel) was terrible and Wrs started to get injured...so yeah fans were frustrated. Defense was also backsliding. Mac had one year and the defense was the reason for 11-5 so peoe we're starting to question his ability. Full on turning didn't happen till the mutiny and the plan for it to be Geno, not Davis Webb that played for Eli, cause no one likes Geno and he definitely wasn't the QB of the future.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 7, 2021 12:47:53 GMT -5
I'm aware it has nothing to do with the definition of the word, you are just expressing your feelings. That's all we're talking about here. You’re forgot the topic of fact as of 2am. Say what you will, I will continue to defend your right to express your feelings.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 12:54:42 GMT -5
You’re forgot the topic of fact as of 2am. Say what you will, I will continue to defend your right to express your feelings. and i hope you mind doesn’t wander into a satellite while drifting through space.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 7, 2021 14:32:57 GMT -5
Say what you will, I will continue to defend your right to express your feelings. and i hope you mind doesn’t wander into a satellite while drifting through space. Thanks for the concern. Go Giants!
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Post by miss86 on Dec 7, 2021 14:50:30 GMT -5
I said it in another thread and I will say it here again: HEY JOE.... ROTFLMFAO!
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Post by Eazy E on Dec 7, 2021 15:12:05 GMT -5
Ultimately Judge needed help, the travesty was to not fire Gettleman late last year. He had no business continuing on to this season. Maybe a new GM would have structured things differently like keeping Zeitler, trading Shepard , drafting better including speed wrs and not keeping Solder around somehow. Maybe a new GM would have gave Garrett the boot. The big problem started with Getty and now we are mired with both.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 15:20:28 GMT -5
Ultimately Judge needed help, the travesty was to not fire Gettleman late last year. He had no business continuing on to this season. Maybe a new GM would have structured things differently like keeping Zeitler, trading Shepard , drafting better including speed wrs and not keeping Solder around somehow. Maybe a new GM would have gave Garrett the boot. The big problem started with Getty and now we are mired with both. If Joe Judge wanted to keep Kevin Zeiter, he would’ve been here this season. If Judge didn't want Garrett he wouldn't have been here. Judge/Gettleman were equally culpable in the collapse of this season.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 7, 2021 16:53:57 GMT -5
Yes the offense is horrible. yes they have scored a grand total of 2 TD's in the last three games. So don't tell us how how happy you are with what you saw on the field with our offense. Don't tell us that "they did a great job today" Don't tell us that "they made a lot of big plays" This is the ultimate **** you to the fans. Not only do we have to watch our team suck it up on the field, but now we have to hear about how acceptable it is to the head coach. As far as I'm concerned this attitude is an absolute firing offense. I fully expected him to go on a rant about how awful the offense is and how unacceptable it is. What we got was a complete shock to me. How low have our standards become? It's one thing to stink. It's quite another for our head coach to be happy with it. Joe has to go. and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think anyone wants to go for yet another coach this quickly, from a philosophic perspective, but we can't do another season of this level of ineptitude, no one wants to see another HC change but whats the alternative, we have all seen what Judge can do and right now as far as I'm concerned he looks to be one of the big problems with the teams performance...Peter Principle 101
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 7, 2021 17:04:13 GMT -5
This just a new GM wouldn't want to work with Judge. We have no way of knowing whether or not that would be the case. If a new GM was insistent we fire the head coach and start a search as a condition of his hiring and substantiated that opinion, I'm all for it. Generally, speaking I don't agree with the coach had to be hired by the GM thing. I think it's just something we speculate on without details. If Judge interviews with the new GM and the latter wants to keep him, then fine. But a GM is typically tied to two things: 1. HC 2. QB I don't see why a new GM would want to be tied to either/both of those selected by the predecessor. it all depends on how desperate the new GM candidate is for a job...
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 17:10:13 GMT -5
This just a new GM wouldn't want to work with Judge. We have no way of knowing whether or not that would be the case. If a new GM was insistent we fire the head coach and start a search as a condition of his hiring and substantiated that opinion, I'm all for it. Generally, speaking I don't agree with the coach had to be hired by the GM thing. I think it's just something we speculate on without details. If Judge interviews with the new GM and the latter wants to keep him, then fine. But a GM is typically tied to two things: 1. HC 2. QB I don't see why a new GM would want to be tied to either/both of those selected by the predecessor. if you’re a new GM, would you welcome inheriting Judge and Jones?
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 7, 2021 17:16:47 GMT -5
it all depends on how desperate the new GM candidate is for a job... Well if they’re coming here I assume that makes them desperate, lol or the money offer was too good to pass up....
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Post by TEM on Dec 7, 2021 17:16:57 GMT -5
I not a fan of the scapegoat method of building. JJ needs to show he is capable over the next 5 games, or he is undefendable. If he doesn't and is kept. Judge will need an everything Judge thread category.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 7, 2021 17:17:29 GMT -5
If Judge interviews with the new GM and the latter wants to keep him, then fine. But a GM is typically tied to two things: 1. HC 2. QB I don't see why a new GM would want to be tied to either/both of those selected by the predecessor. if you’re a new GM, would you welcome inheriting Judge and Jones? Hell no.. it’s like buying a new shirt and it has sweat stains. The kind of GM that would accept those two, are the type of general managers we don’t want.
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Post by Nite on Dec 7, 2021 17:21:16 GMT -5
I not a fan of the scapegoat method of building. JJ needs to show he is capable over the next 5 games, or he is undefendable. If he doesn't and is kept. Judge will need an everything Judge thread category. I think that is very fair. I'm not a Judge fan but I think you have to see what he does in these last 5 games in order to put his tenure in perspective. Season is toast anyways.. So in that respect he is coaching for his future as HC of the NYG (PDQ)...
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 17:24:25 GMT -5
Well if they’re coming here I assume that makes them desperate, lol or the money offer was too good to pass up.... This isn't an organization known for throwing high dollar at coaching and GM candidates
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Post by Nite on Dec 7, 2021 17:31:02 GMT -5
and i hope you mind doesn’t wander into a satellite while drifting through space. Thanks for the concern. Go Giants! And ppl ask me why I don't have cable anymore...
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Post by Nite on Dec 7, 2021 17:38:18 GMT -5
or the money offer was too good to pass up.... This isn't an organization known for throwing high dollar at coaching and GM candidates Naw we are just very good at letting HOF and elite candidates go by the wayside.. Ex: BB, Sean Payton, John Fox (a while ago not now) .. Giants are in love with mediocrity ..
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 17:38:31 GMT -5
if you’re a new GM, would you welcome inheriting Judge and Jones? Hell no.. it’s like buying a new shirt and it has sweat stains. The kind of GM that would accept those two, are the type of general managers we don’t want. i would think Jones comes back yet that 5th year option isn’t getting picked up. Now does he come back with yet another coach? Can’t really afford a QB. Would rather not draft one. Thanks Dave!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 17:45:48 GMT -5
This isn't an organization known for throwing high dollar at coaching and GM candidates Naw we are just very good at letting HOF and elite candidates go by the wayside.. Ex: BB, Sean Payton, John Fox (a while ago not now) .. Giants are in love with mediocrity .. Don't forget Landry and Lombardi
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 18:00:42 GMT -5
This isn't an organization known for throwing high dollar at coaching and GM candidates Naw we are just very good at letting HOF and elite candidates go by the wayside.. Ex: BB, Sean Payton, John Fox (a while ago not now) .. Giants are in love with mediocrity .. That's not really what happened with those coaches.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 7, 2021 19:15:44 GMT -5
Hell no.. it’s like buying a new shirt and it has sweat stains. The kind of GM that would accept those two, are the type of general managers we don’t want. i would think Jones comes back yet that 5th year option isn’t getting picked up. Now does he come back with yet another coach? Can’t really afford a QB. Would rather not draft one. Thanks Dave!! Good. Why pay him $20 million dollars to get hurt. When we can pay some journeyman to do it for nothing..
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 7, 2021 20:00:27 GMT -5
Ultimately Judge needed help, the travesty was to not fire Gettleman late last year. He had no business continuing on to this season. Maybe a new GM would have structured things differently like keeping Zeitler, trading Shepard , drafting better including speed wrs and not keeping Solder around somehow. Maybe a new GM would have gave Garrett the boot. The big problem started with Getty and now we are mired with both. If Joe Judge wanted to keep Kevin Zeiter, he would’ve been here this season. If Judge didn't want Garrett he wouldn't have been here. Judge/Gettleman were equally culpable in the collapse of this season. I think they all think they are more clever than the competition. And I get it's a tough game with the salary cap. But why are teams like the Pats always better at it? IMO, its because they let one person take responsibility. The Giants ownership will never do that.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 20:45:40 GMT -5
If Joe Judge wanted to keep Kevin Zeiter, he would’ve been here this season. If Judge didn't want Garrett he wouldn't have been here. Judge/Gettleman were equally culpable in the collapse of this season. I think they all think they are more clever than the competition. And I get it's a tough game with the salary cap. But why are teams like the Pats always better at it? IMO, its because they let one person take responsibility. The Giants ownership will never do that. With Zeitler, It's possible that he and Judge just had a personal issue. The move never made sense, they spent nearly $200M during the off season, so we know it wasn't about money as they claimed.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 7, 2021 21:31:36 GMT -5
I think they all think they are more clever than the competition. And I get it's a tough game with the salary cap. But why are teams like the Pats always better at it? IMO, its because they let one person take responsibility. The Giants ownership will never do that. With Zeitler, It's possible that he and Judge just had a personal issue. The move never made sense, they spent nearly $200M during the off season, so we know it wasn't about money as they claimed. Do you think keeping Zeitler would have made much of a difference on this team? I don't. The problem with this team is coaching. How do the Pat's succeed without Brady? Because BB understands how to create a scheme to suit the players he has. Our idiot coaches have no clue. And they won't as long as the Maras own this team.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 21:38:41 GMT -5
With Zeitler, It's possible that he and Judge just had a personal issue. The move never made sense, they spent nearly $200M during the off season, so we know it wasn't about money as they claimed. Do you think keeping Zeitler would have made much of a difference on this team?I don't. The problem with this team is coaching. How do the Pat's succeed without Brady? Because BB understands how to create a scheme to suit the players he has. Our idiot coaches have no clue. And they won't as long as the Maras own this team. It's a good question. No. He wouldn't have made that much of a difference considering the entire right side is a mess, from C to RT.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2021 21:57:52 GMT -5
Do you think keeping Zeitler would have made much of a difference on this team?I don't. The problem with this team is coaching. How do the Pat's succeed without Brady? Because BB understands how to create a scheme to suit the players he has. Our idiot coaches have no clue. And they won't as long as the Maras own this team. It's a good question. No. lol, a better blocker wouldn’t have helped. Yeah ok guys
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