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Post by Modog on Dec 15, 2021 9:11:25 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick.
Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison.
Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself.
It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner.
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Post by mendy on Dec 15, 2021 9:16:56 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. Judge I think he has the ability if given time. As for Mara being a meddling owner ,well, very few people /families that have Billion dollar Companies sit back and do nothing.
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Post by FBomb on Dec 15, 2021 9:22:33 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. We call out Mara here every other thread. We know of his meddling and lay the entire demise of the Giants at his feet. The problem is, he's the owner and there isn't anything we as fans can do about it. He has to recognize that he is at fault instead of all the GMs and HCs he brings in or fires.
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 15, 2021 9:28:52 GMT -5
We will just get another "YES MAN" GM if Mara keeps Judge! The good ones don't want to be handicaped and the others just want the job!
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 15, 2021 9:33:30 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. I don’t see meddling in anything you said. Mara sitting in on every important meeting indicates interest which IMO he should have. There’s nothing being said that we didn’t already know. We know John plans were to give this coach beyond 2 years which he didn’t do with the last two. And we know the Giants needed to win in order to better secure Dave’s job.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 15, 2021 9:38:57 GMT -5
Of course he does. Misery loves company..
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2021 10:34:49 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. IMO the biggest strike against Judge is that Mara "loves" him.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 15, 2021 10:46:13 GMT -5
Not firing Joe Judge after this season would be malpractice, and the worst decision by the Giants in my lifetime.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Dec 15, 2021 10:57:30 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Link?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 15, 2021 11:00:30 GMT -5
Not firing Joe Judge after this season would be malpractice, and the worst decision by the Giants in my lifetime. Well I'm a lot older and a Giant fan for over 60 years. This isn't even close to the worse decision the Giants have made in " my lifetime".But I understand your point. I'm not sure at all that Judge doesn't get another year. Most fans agree that a HC deserves that 3rd year. I do think most people feel a new GM is certain.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 15, 2021 11:13:04 GMT -5
Not firing Joe Judge after this season would be malpractice, and the worst decision by the Giants in my lifetime. Well I'm a lot older and a Giant fan for over 60 years. This isn't even close to the worse decision the Giants have made in " my lifetime".But I understand your point. I'm not sure at all that Judge doesn't get another year. Most fans agree that a HC deserves that 3rd year. I do think most people feel a new GM is certain. lol, some are just bent their Gettleman offseason hype was 100% wrong including Zeitler, etc. It’s actually funny.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 15, 2021 11:34:34 GMT -5
Not firing Joe Judge after this season would be malpractice, and the worst decision by the Giants in my lifetime. Well I'm a lot older and a Giant fan for over 60 years. This isn't even close to the worse decision the Giants have made in " my lifetime".But I understand your point. I'm not sure at all that Judge doesn't get another year. Most fans agree that a HC deserves that 3rd year. I do think most people feel a new GM is certain. I'm not sure about that. I can't think of another coach who was given a third year after winning less games in their second. Most coaches get two years to at least get the team moving in the right direction. What were those worse decisions in your lifetime?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 15, 2021 12:00:30 GMT -5
John Mara needs to clean house last time he canned TC and kept Reese around I don't see this reverse stupidity working any better Judge should go with Gettlemen then make your commitment to the new pairing.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2021 12:05:13 GMT -5
I only want Judge to stay if a new GM, completely unconnected to Judge, decides independently (with no pressure or conditions imposed by ownership) that he wants to give Judge another year.
I want the GM to be free of Judge ties because I want an independent look and, quite frankly, Judge hasn't earned the right to have input into the GM selection.
I also want no conditions regarding Judge to be imposed on the incoming GM ... mostly because the person who would impose such conditions (Mara) is an idiot.
For me, knowing how this ownership operates, I think that they will be looking super hard at Scott Pioli as a GM because he has Parcells and Belichick ties ....
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Post by Martin on Dec 15, 2021 12:10:55 GMT -5
If the evaluation process by way of scouts and player personnel is flawed then the system is broken. The new GM still gets flawed data. Does the new GM have the ability to fire some in the player personnel and scouting dept? If not expect very similar results as we're getting now. Like an Oline that can't be fixed in 10+ years. Pathetic.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 15, 2021 12:34:42 GMT -5
Blind loyalty is what bad ceos do.
How can you have a positive opinion on a guy with such a weak record?
I like where he's coached?? I like the guys he's coached under??
That shit only hangs together right after hiring him, not 2 years into it where the results he's laid down are pretty pathetic.
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Post by mendy on Dec 15, 2021 12:49:16 GMT -5
Blind loyalty is what bad ceos do. How can you have a positive opinion on a guy with such a weak record? I like where he's coached?? I like the guys he's coached under?? That shit only hangs together right after hiring him, not 2 years into it where the results he's laid down are pretty pathetic. And Blind hate can keep people from seeing the truth .
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 15, 2021 12:50:30 GMT -5
I only want Judge to stay if a new GM, completely unconnected to Judge, decides independently (with no pressure or conditions imposed by ownership) that he wants to give Judge another year. I want the GM to be free of Judge ties because I want an independent look and, quite frankly, Judge hasn't earned the right to have input into the GM selection. I also want no conditions regarding Judge to be imposed on the incoming GM ... mostly because the person who would impose such conditions (Mara) is an idiot. For me, knowing how this ownership operates, I think that they will be looking super hard at Scott Pioli as a GM because he has Parcells and Belichick ties .... Knowing John Mara I’m sure he already has his list of guys narrowed down and the majority will have some sort of connection to the Parcells/Belichick tree.
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Post by mendy on Dec 15, 2021 12:52:22 GMT -5
John Mara needs to clean house last time he canned TC and kept Reese around I don't see this reverse stupidity working any better Judge should go with Gettlemen then make your commitment to the new pairing. Or...............since he likes Judge, Keep Abrams as GM for a year and if it blows up you scrap it all and start new .Dump Judge ,Abrams ,Jones ,Barkley all of it.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 15, 2021 12:54:40 GMT -5
If the evaluation process by way of scouts and player personnel is flawed then the system is broken. The new GM still gets flawed data. Does the new GM have the ability to fire some in the player personnel and scouting dept? If not expect very similar results as we're getting now. Like an Oline that can't be fixed in 10+ years. Pathetic. Of course the GM can fire scouts. But let’s not forget that the scouts can only recommend. They cannot force the team to value the pick the way they do. Take that scout for the Giants who wanted the team to take Brady and Accorsi took Ralph Brown instead..
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Post by allnygin on Dec 15, 2021 12:55:01 GMT -5
John Mara needs to clean house last time he canned TC and kept Reese around I don't see this reverse stupidity working any better Judge should go with Gettlemen then make your commitment to the new pairing. Or...............since he likes Judge, Keep Abrams as GM for a year and if it blows up you scrap it all and start new .Dump Judge ,Abrams ,Jones ,Barkley all of it. If Mara goes the route, fine.. but he can't decide to just blow it all up again just after one year. This is part of the reason why this whole coach/gm shit on different timelines is ridicuous. A GM/HC should together have 4 years to build there team. If he goes with keeping judge and abarams they both need at minimum 4 years to build there roster together.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 15, 2021 13:11:25 GMT -5
If the evaluation process by way of scouts and player personnel is flawed then the system is broken. The new GM still gets flawed data. Does the new GM have the ability to fire some in the player personnel and scouting dept? If not expect very similar results as we're getting now. Like an Oline that can't be fixed in 10+ years. Pathetic. Of course, but you're right that the scouting for the 2022 draft is complete. The new GM can make his own assessments, but the draft board is already set. His real influence won't be felt until the '23 draft. That's if they make changes to the scouting department, which I hope they do.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 15, 2021 13:28:34 GMT -5
This was Mara meddling where he should not have been.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 15, 2021 13:34:22 GMT -5
Not firing Joe Judge after this season would be malpractice, and the worst decision by the Giants in my lifetime. Strong words for Mike and I happen to agree (other than keeping Gettleman around as long as he has).
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Post by jb456 on Dec 15, 2021 13:43:31 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. IMO the biggest strike against Judge is that Mara "loves" him. I see that and raise you a game clock. Shouldn't they teach you how time works in Philly?
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 15, 2021 14:01:10 GMT -5
Joanie loved Chachi too, but that wore off eventually....
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Post by Jomo on Dec 15, 2021 14:11:54 GMT -5
If the evaluation process by way of scouts and player personnel is flawed then the system is broken. The new GM still gets flawed data. Does the new GM have the ability to fire some in the player personnel and scouting dept? If not expect very similar results as we're getting now. Like an Oline that can't be fixed in 10+ years. Pathetic. yes something is terribly wrong. I read the other day that we have four offensive line assistant coaches. Almost one-on-one coaching and we can't get these guys to stop whiffing.
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Post by mendy on Dec 15, 2021 14:16:22 GMT -5
Or...............since he likes Judge, Keep Abrams as GM for a year and if it blows up you scrap it all and start new .Dump Judge ,Abrams ,Jones ,Barkley all of it. If Mara goes the route, fine.. but he can't decide to just blow it all up again just after one year. . Yes , they can . Cardinals did.
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Post by Dezzr on Dec 15, 2021 14:16:39 GMT -5
Mara has said he believes Joe Judge is a future Bill Belichick. Mara is also on record saying when he interviewed Daniel Jones pre-draft in 2019, he reminded him of a young Eli Manning. An insider recently mentioned Mara is in the room on EVERY every decison. Knowing Gettleman will be asked to retire, instead of being fired, I think its pretty obvious alot of the moves made in the DG era were actually influenced by Mara himself. It's about time Giants fans call him out for what he is, a meddling owner. "Joe Judge has been touched by the hand of Ghad. Gold jacket, yada yada......"
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Post by allnygin on Dec 15, 2021 14:18:45 GMT -5
If Mara goes the route, fine.. but he can't decide to just blow it all up again just after one year. . Yes , they can . Cardinals did. Ah yeah, you're right. The cardinals did it. What a precedent EVERY team should follow in suite now.
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