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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 19, 2021 18:56:05 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was time for TC to go, but I also thought we needed to clean house, JR, assistant coaches, the whole shebang!!
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Post by FBomb on Dec 19, 2021 18:59:07 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was time for TC to go, but I also thought we needed to clean house, JR, assistant coaches, the whole shebang!! Yep. That era was over and we should have cleaned house.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 19, 2021 19:00:34 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was time for TC to go, but I also thought we needed to clean house, JR, assistant coaches, the whole shebang!! Yep. That era was over and we should have cleaned house. The Giants are the "half ass" kings of the NFL.
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Post by FBomb on Dec 19, 2021 19:12:36 GMT -5
Yep. That era was over and we should have cleaned house. The Giants are the "half ass" kings of the NFL. It's sad because it's true.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 19, 2021 19:39:24 GMT -5
He did. That team was the last closest facsimile of a professional football team here. And I'm not about to take that away with excuses about overspending in free agency back then. We spent a shitload of money the last two offseasons, and what do we have to show for it? Nothing. The fact that the Giants are awful now doesn't mean it's hard in a a parity league to make the playoffs with a very easy schedule and a great defense.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 19:57:41 GMT -5
The last Giants coach to take this team to the playoffs made his return to Met Life this morning and there was much rejoicing. And Davis Webb's sustained success since McAdoo neglected to start him for Eli back in 2017 has been a continued embarrassment ........Oh wait, never mind. Were you one of the people who thought Eli could still play when McAdoo benched him? Cause he was cleared washed and why we have this issue to this day! Eli acting like a little bitch about being benched when he sucked!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2021 20:01:32 GMT -5
Stones? Yeah that worked out well for him. It was pure desperation from a guy who was not in any way prepared to coach an NFL team. Starting with that suit. I don't dislike him. I blame it more on this horrible organization making yet another bad decision. And as far as the silly "last winning coach comment," most here know that was totally because of defense. His offense was bottom 10 both years. But what about his hair? Team got worse in the 2nd year but his hair got better supposedly lol.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2021 20:03:32 GMT -5
Stones? Yeah that worked out well for him. It was pure desperation from a guy who was not in any way prepared to coach an NFL team. Starting with that suit. I don't dislike him. I blame it more on this horrible organization making yet another bad decision. And as far as the silly "last winning coach comment," most here know that was totally because of defense. His offense was bottom 10 both years. yup, kill the coach despite a QB who was finished, no offensive line and at one point all the receivers were hurt lol. You guys set standards that no coach could live up too. It’s worse than asking a surgeon to perform an atherectomy with a spoon. “He sucks as a surgeon!!!” Lol The silliness of the Giants’ decision to fire the last 2 HC’s is evidenced by the fact that both guys have gone on to be highly sought after and successful HC’s after they were fired here.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 19, 2021 20:10:38 GMT -5
And Davis Webb's sustained success since McAdoo neglected to start him for Eli back in 2017 has been a continued embarrassment ........Oh wait, never mind. Were you one of the people who thought Eli could still play when McAdoo benched him? Cause he was cleared washed and why we have this issue to this day! Eli acting like a little bitch about being benched when he sucked! Had no problem with Eli getting benched. People losing their mind because Geno Smith played over the immortal Davis Webb, that I had a problem with.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 20:11:32 GMT -5
Stones? Yeah that worked out well for him. It was pure desperation from a guy who was not in any way prepared to coach an NFL team. Starting with that suit. I don't dislike him. I blame it more on this horrible organization making yet another bad decision. And as far as the silly "last winning coach comment," most here know that was totally because of defense. His offense was bottom 10 both years. Yeah stones. The owner ok the decision and then backed his coach into a corner after the mob took over. McAdoo was a horrible head coach, but at least he had the fortitude to make a decision that he felt was best for the team. Everyone knew it was time to move on from Eli, except our owner and the Manning fan boys. well said Kruunch not a good coach but he saw what Eli was a washed QB who would miss wide open WR’s and was done but didn’t want to walk away from all that money. It literally wasn’t until he was a free agent and he couldn’t even get a back up job that he retired dam 🤦♂️.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 19, 2021 20:14:00 GMT -5
yup, kill the coach despite a QB who was finished, no offensive line and at one point all the receivers were hurt lol. You guys set standards that no coach could live up too. It’s worse than asking a surgeon to perform an atherectomy with a spoon. “He sucks as a surgeon!!!” Lol The silliness of the Giants’ decision to fire the last 2 HC’s is evidenced by the fact that both guys have gone on to be highly sought after and successful HC’s after they were fired here. not sure what has to do with the kill the coach group. Anybody should see how pathetic the roster is. Still, a few fans blame a coach when all but the LT appear competent. Now that’s dumb imo.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 20:14:45 GMT -5
yup, kill the coach despite a QB who was finished, no offensive line and at one point all the receivers were hurt lol. You guys set standards that no coach could live up too. It’s worse than asking a surgeon to perform an atherectomy with a spoon. “He sucks as a surgeon!!!” Lol The silliness of the Giants’ decision to fire the last 2 HC’s is evidenced by the fact that both guys have gone on to be highly sought after and successful HC’s after they were fired here. If that doesn’t throw up a red flag of someone meddling in affairs see i.e. John Mara trying to save a washed Eli and moronic fans thinking that Eli could still play after 14 bad games a season and then he plays one good game and yup Eli’s still got it see example EAGLES game the only game Gettlemen saw to say yeah Eli is a very good QB.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 19, 2021 20:22:29 GMT -5
The silliness of the Giants’ decision to fire the last 2 HC’s is evidenced by the fact that both guys have gone on to be highly sought after and successful HC’s after they were fired here. If that doesn’t throw up a red flag of someone meddling in affairs see i.e. John Mara trying to save a washed Eli and moronic fans thinking that Eli could still play after 14 bad games a season and then he plays one good game and yup Eli’s still got it see example EAGLES game the only game Gettlemen saw to say yeah Eli is a very good QB. meddling goes beyond Mara though imo. Yes, the media was in his ear which is hard to believe, yet it was also ex-players like Carl Banks, Amani Toomer and Sean O’Hara who were very outspoken and imo in Mara’s ear. Eli was done and a series of events sent us down this miserable road the Giants have yet to recover from.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 20:30:34 GMT -5
To be fair, Eli never got "benched". It was Eli's decision not to play if they were going to be taking him out of games. Yes this is why I said Eli was acting like a little bitch. Did you ever see Drew Brees complain about sharing time or plays with Taysom Hill I don’t think so.
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Post by FBomb on Dec 19, 2021 20:34:40 GMT -5
The silliness of the Giants’ decision to fire the last 2 HC’s is evidenced by the fact that both guys have gone on to be highly sought after and successful HC’s after they were fired here. not sure what has to do with the kill the coach group. Anybody should see how pathetic the roster is. Still, a few fans blame a coach when all but the LT appear competent. Now that’s dumb imo. This is all in your head. No one blames Joe Judge only. Nobody.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2021 20:37:45 GMT -5
The guy who had his mother dress him after the biggest job interview of his life. If that doesn’t ring a bell, the last winning coach of this franchise. And if you still don’t recall him, the last head coach who had the stones to bench Eli Manning. Stones? Yeah that worked out well for him. It was pure desperation from a guy who was not in any way prepared to coach an NFL team. Starting with that suit. I don't dislike him. I blame it more on this horrible organization making yet another bad decision. And as far as the silly "last winning coach comment," most here know that was totally because of defense. His offense was bottom 10 both years. Wasn't Eli the QB of the last winning team we've had.
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Post by repeatchamps on Dec 19, 2021 20:39:35 GMT -5
To be fair, Eli never got "benched". It was Eli's decision not to play if they were going to be taking him out of games. Yes this is why I said Eli was acting like a little bitch. Did you ever see Drew Brees complain about sharing time or plays with Taysom Hill I don’t think so. Lol apples and oranges. Hill was a specialty player helping with gimmick plays. The Eli situation was not that.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2021 20:41:42 GMT -5
And Davis Webb's sustained success since McAdoo neglected to start him for Eli back in 2017 has been a continued embarrassment ........Oh wait, never mind. Were you one of the people who thought Eli could still play when McAdoo benched him? Cause he was cleared washed and why we have this issue to this day! Eli acting like a little bitch about being benched when he sucked! You are probably right. But who on the team was better ? A washed up ex Jet QB ?
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 19, 2021 20:50:59 GMT -5
not sure what has to do with the kill the coach group. Anybody should see how pathetic the roster is. Still, a few fans blame a coach when all but the LT appear competent. Now that’s dumb imo. This is all in your head. No one blames Joe Judge only. Nobody. Not commenting in what’s in yours
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 21:04:27 GMT -5
Stones? Yeah that worked out well for him. It was pure desperation from a guy who was not in any way prepared to coach an NFL team. Starting with that suit. I don't dislike him. I blame it more on this horrible organization making yet another bad decision. And as far as the silly "last winning coach comment," most here know that was totally because of defense. His offense was bottom 10 both years. Wasn't Eli the QB of the last winning team we've had. So should we pretend Eli was good or did OBJ and the defense carry that team let’s get real.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 19, 2021 21:10:53 GMT -5
Yes this is why I said Eli was acting like a little bitch. Did you ever see Drew Brees complain about sharing time or plays with Taysom Hill I don’t think so. Lol apples and oranges. Hill was a specialty player helping with gimmick plays. The Eli situation was not that. Would you say Eli wasn’t the 26th ranked or worse QB his last 3 seasons as an NFL QB and that was with players around him. We made every excuse in the book for him and he sucked sorry but the truth hurts he was done.
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Post by FBomb on Dec 19, 2021 21:11:24 GMT -5
This is all in your head. No one blames Joe Judge only. Nobody. Not commenting in what’s in yours Probably the best idea.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Dec 19, 2021 21:11:32 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was time for TC to go, but I also thought we needed to clean house, JR, assistant coaches, the whole shebang!! What's your opinion on TC was he getting near the end of the rope or was it at the end of the rope or did he just not have much to work with from a standpoint of failures to put the pieces in place/have depth, ect?
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 19, 2021 21:14:52 GMT -5
Yeah stones. The owner ok the decision and then backed his coach into a corner after the mob took over. McAdoo was a horrible head coach, but at least he had the fortitude to make a decision that he felt was best for the team. Everyone knew it was time to move on from Eli, except our owner and the Manning fan boys. well said Kruunch not a good coach but he saw what Eli was a washed QB who would miss wide open WR’s and was done but didn’t want to walk away from all that money. It literally wasn’t until he was a free agent and he couldn’t even get a back up job that he retired dam 🤦♂️. It’s sacrilegious to use Eli Manning’s name in vain around here. How quickly fans forget, Eli was on the 18th hole using a putter as his driver at that point of his career. It happens, Father Time is undefeated for a reason. Just don’t tell Tom Brady that.. He was hearing footsteps in the huddle, he was getting sacked by the invisible man, he was throwing live grenades out there on the field. Ben McAdoo is a meme for life with his ridiculous suit, and cheesy haircut. However, he knew that his quarterback was stewing in his own juices in ‘17. Eli is a two time champion, and a consummate professional on and off the field. His number is retired, and he will most likely be a hall of famer at some point. But, let’s call it right down the middle. He sucked the life out of this offense, with his ability and contract at the end of his career.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 19, 2021 21:35:06 GMT -5
What got McAdoo terminated. He completely lost the locker room.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 19, 2021 21:39:59 GMT -5
What got McAdoo terminated. He completely lost the locker room. Veteran team with a head coach way in over his head. It was a recipe for disaster. Wasn’t a coincidence that the Giants did a total 180 with the roster with Judge. Instead of a team of grizzled veterans, they went the young route. Young players have more patience with inexperienced head coaches, veterans do not. In part they know their careers are on the clock.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2021 21:50:05 GMT -5
Yep. That era was over and we should have cleaned house. The Giants are the "half ass" kings of the NFL. Half ass? That’s being way too complimentary.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2021 21:59:49 GMT -5
not sure what has to do with the kill the coach group. Anybody should see how pathetic the roster is. Still, a few fans blame a coach when all but the LT appear competent. Now that’s dumb imo. This is all in your head. No one blames Joe Judge only. Nobody. I can’t stand it anymore, I like both of you and I know I’ll catch some heat for this but…I think Judge sucks. So yeah, I blame it on the coach AND the roster. I get ya Ranger, Judge doesn’t have shit to work with, neither does Jones but at some point I personally think neither one of them are the answer or cut out for the job. Judge and Jones have made too many mistakes and errors for me to chalk it up to the personnel. They both seem way out of their league but it’s easy to make excuses for both of them since the entire roster sucks. It’s only a matter of time until we figure out the truth, first it will be Jones then it will be Judge. Unfortunately it will take another 2-3 years of being f’in losers for Mara to realize this, if he ever does. Thanks guys, there’s my rant. No offense to either of you, we agree 90% of the time but I finally wanted to clear up my stance in case it wasn’t obvious, lol. Ranger, I hope you’re right bud. We all know Judge is getting another year or two, I hope he proves me wrong.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 19, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -5
Ranger, I hope you’re right bud. We all know Judge is getting another year or two, I hope he proves me wrong. i’ve said it before, i’m not certain what Judge is. I feel strongly that no coach wins with this roster though. I firmly believe the loud minority is fickle and call for any coaches head including Coughlin on a regular basis. Get another coach and he’ll be as ridiculed in one season as often as the past three and four including Judge. Mike McCarthy or Rhule would feel the same wrath as Judge has. I’m more empathetic towards a coach armed with a squirt gun than a mob who appears fickle. Certainly, imo, some including yourself are more credible than others. At least you recall your few mistakes or misjudgments while others don’t appear to have that ability. we will see
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Post by FBomb on Dec 19, 2021 22:30:32 GMT -5
Ranger, I hope you’re right bud. We all know Judge is getting another year or two, I hope he proves me wrong. i’ve said it before, i’m not certain what Judge is. I feel strongly that no coach wins with this roster though. I firmly believe the loud minority is fickle and call for any coaches head including Coughlin on a regular basis. Get another coach and he’ll be as ridiculed in one season as often as the past three and four including Judge. Mike McCarthy or Rhule would feel the same wrath as Judge has. I’m more empathetic towards a coach armed with a squirt gun than a mob who appears fickle. Certainly, imo, some including yourself are more credible than others. At least you recall your few mistakes or misjudgments while others don’t appear to have that ability. we will see Really? How so? Everyone here calling for Judge to be fired have also been bitching about the shit players. The same also bitch about DJ and then also bitch about the oline he has to play behind or the lack of talent at WR. NO ONE is getting a pass. Neither should the HC. He is responsible for his role just like anyone else. So tell me, what mistakes or misjudgements are being overlooked?
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