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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 24, 2022 14:51:23 GMT -5
Good read/video here on Joe Schoen from Buffalo's side of things. Who he is, and what they are losing. For the Bills, Joe Schoen's Exit Underscores Winning Culture at Every Level Losing assistant general manager Joe Schoen to the New York Giants on Friday was just the latest happening to validate what were controversial decisions by Sean McDermott to start from scratch five years ago. On the executive side, Schoen isn't even the first member of the front office to be cherry picked by another franchise. Before this season began, director of player personnel Dan Morgan was poached by the Panthers to be their assistant GM. Although Schoen had instantly become a trusted right-hand man, Beane is happy to see him go because he believes Schoen was such a fabulous choice by the Giants. "He's a great evaluator, he's a great communicator," Beane said. "He's ... a really good leader. He can talk to the owner, he can talk to anybody -- sponsors, fans, whoever. He just knows how to relate. Very personable. Family Guy, and I could go on and on. "You don't replace people like that right away. We have a good staff and people will try and fill this role, but you know, he'll definitely be missed." More important than Schoen's ability to talk is his willingness to listen, Beane pointed out. "He's not going to walk in to those offices and act like he's got all the answers, whether he's talking to scouts, whether he's talking to the PR department, the training room," Beane said. "It's an all-encompassing job. "You know, I let Joe be involved in everything. ... Joe has dealt with agents, he's recruited players here when it comes down to after the draft or a time when, you know, in free agency when it's not about the money anymore. He understand all that stuff. Again, he's got great relationships with with other GMs, assistant GMs, personnel directors, coaches around the league. Those are all the reasons I think he's going to be very successful when he gets himself planted there in New York." Sounds like an anti-Gettleman which can only be good.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 24, 2022 15:07:24 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision.
A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans.
This is sounding better and better and better.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 24, 2022 15:10:26 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 24, 2022 15:26:26 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 15:35:27 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Or a punter |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 15:36:27 GMT -5
We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. They held on to Tyrod Taylor knowing he wasn't the long term answer until they made that move for Allen |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 24, 2022 15:42:22 GMT -5
Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. They held on to Tyrod Taylor knowing he wasn't the long term answer until they made that move for Allen Exactly. That makes sense to me. I don’t know if a lot of fans agree. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 24, 2022 15:45:50 GMT -5
In my eyes Beane is an excellent GM. It says ALOT to me that he worked with him early in their careers then Schoen left for Miami. As soon as Beane got his shot to be in the "big chair" he went out and got him again. Thats a big time endorsement.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 24, 2022 15:51:45 GMT -5
We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. You know I wouldn’t want to see someone say it about someone the giants got but I’d love to see a GM be like “Oh yeah we are glad to get rid of THAT GUY. We really got one over on them.” Cause you know even if that’s what they are thinking nobody is going to come out and say it.  I’m ok with keeping Jones another year because from what I understand there isn’t a must have QB in the draft and unless they give a ton up to get Watson there isn’t an answer in FA. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 24, 2022 15:55:48 GMT -5
In my eyes Beane is an excellent GM. It says ALOT to me that he worked with him early in their careers then Schoen left for Miami. As soon as Beane got his shot to be in the "big chair" he went out and got him again. Thats a big time endorsement. He knew his level of talent and scooped him up. As CDNGFAN said can the Giants fan base be patient and let things develop? With all the crap that has happened for 10 years it will be hard but I believe worth it if this guy Schoen is the real deal. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 24, 2022 16:00:32 GMT -5
We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. Im ok with him hanging on to DJ until he finds his QB (or in the rare possibility that DJ turns a corner in year 4). The injury is still very worrisome. Schoen has to know he cant wait until August to see if Jones can take contact. If Jones is healthy, Im ok with him being the QB in 2022. Just bring in some serious vet to compete with him. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 16:01:49 GMT -5
In my eyes Beane is an excellent GM. It says ALOT to me that he worked with him early in their careers then Schoen left for Miami. As soon as Beane got his shot to be in the "big chair" he went out and got him again. Thats a big time endorsement. He knew his level of talent and scooped him up. As CDNGFAN said can the Giants fan base be patient and let things develop? With all the crap that has happened for 10 years it will be hard but I believe worth it if this guy Schoen is the real deal. I can only imagine if the internet existed in 1980 when we took a major step back in year 2 of George Young FIRE HIM FIRE HIM |
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Post by Martin on Jan 24, 2022 16:13:35 GMT -5
He knew his level of talent and scooped him up. As CDNGFAN said can the Giants fan base be patient and let things develop? With all the crap that has happened for 10 years it will be hard but I believe worth it if this guy Schoen is the real deal. I can only imagine if the internet existed in 1980 when we took a major step back in year 2 of George Young FIRE HIM FIRE HIM We were reading the sports pages in the back of the newspapers. That was it except for the nightly sports report. I don't remember if we had flush toilets or electric. Its was that long ago. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 24, 2022 16:23:39 GMT -5
He is a big step 1. for the Giants going forward. It gives me something to look forward to after the ineptness that has plagued this team the last several years.
Step 2. Hiring the right HC which I am sure he will already have good, solid familairity with and make the crucial hire.
Step 3. Tough decisions to make on the coaches, roster, cap, draft, FA, and finding a reliable back-up QB that can challenge DJ and step when called upon
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 24, 2022 16:31:21 GMT -5
as much as I liked Gettleman he definitely seemed to crap his pants in fixing this team..
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Post by Martin on Jan 24, 2022 16:55:08 GMT -5
as much as I liked Gettleman he definitely seemed to crap his pants in fixing this team.. He set the team back! Lots of work needs to be done. We have to be patient. |
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 24, 2022 17:20:11 GMT -5
We better not see a RB taken with either of our first 2 picks in April. Or a punter Maybe not in the 1st, but I would LOVE for us to take that punter from SD State who is out there SHATTERING records left and right |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 24, 2022 17:22:24 GMT -5
He knew his level of talent and scooped him up. As CDNGFAN said can the Giants fan base be patient and let things develop? With all the crap that has happened for 10 years it will be hard but I believe worth it if this guy Schoen is the real deal. I can only imagine if the internet existed in 1980 when we took a major step back in year 2 of George Young FIRE HIM FIRE HIM internet or not things were way different back then. There was no 3 year "limit" on GMs . |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 24, 2022 17:23:52 GMT -5
as much as I liked Gettleman he definitely seemed to crap his pants in fixing this team.. He set the team back! Lots of work needs to be done. We have to be patient. yep....starting over means starting over. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 24, 2022 17:44:32 GMT -5
We can't be sure that Daboll will be a great HEAD coach. At least he has been very good at player relationships, player development, and offensive scheming. Thats a start. Whats even more important is if he gets hired it will be because there already is a synergy between GM and HC. This is what we wanted if they chose to blow stuff up.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, NYG just needs to pick a "way" and build it. No more too many cooks in the kitchen. I know one thing, Daboll is absolutely not a "run laps" type of coach. If Schoen wants to see some hard asses on the staff it will need to come from the assistant coaches.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 18:01:23 GMT -5
Maybe not in the 1st, but I would LOVE for us to take that punter from SD State who is out there SHATTERING records left and right He might go in the 4th |
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Post by vinnie on Jan 24, 2022 18:05:05 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. So it sounds like he’s literally the exact opposite of Gettleman. I feel better every day. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 24, 2022 20:49:30 GMT -5
He set the team back! Lots of work needs to be done. We have to be patient. yep....starting over means starting over. hey strong words. not rebuilding? cause that sounds so much nicer. we waited this long what's another couple of years. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 24, 2022 21:20:30 GMT -5
Haha. I think we’re safe from that. But he might hang onto Jones longer than fans want him too. He’ll do something, or multiple things, that respect the long game of development. This fan base is pretty impatient. Im ok with him hanging on to DJ until he finds his QB (or in the rare possibility that DJ turns a corner in year 4). The injury is still very worrisome. Schoen has to know he cant wait until August to see if Jones can take contact. If Jones is healthy, Im ok with him being the QB in 2022. Just bring in some serious vet to compete with him. Truthfully I wasn’t that interested in watching Getty’s decisions. They lacked a cohesive direction. There’s some structure to his decisions but so many of them didn’t turn out that he looks like a fool. I’ll be interested to see what Schoen does with QB. I think you want a viable back up, but I’d prefer Joe spends a 4th on a corner or OL. We need a couple drafts where nearly everyone we pick contributes meaningfully. We’ve had lots of experiments up until now. Late round (past the 2nd) picks on QBs don’t have a great hit ratio. A lot of fans asking for this kinda response. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 25, 2022 9:06:26 GMT -5
Hopefully this isn't the same as Belichick fluffing up his coordinators.
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Post by spaceweather on Jan 25, 2022 9:12:50 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. Bills last two RBs were drafted in the 3rd round. They understand positional value, I hope he can ship Barkley out for the best draft return. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 10:37:53 GMT -5
This reads like the playbook of an organizational leader. Listens first. Doesn’t assume he has all the answers. Relatable. Empathetic. Comfortable dealing above and below himself. He probably won’t decide what to do until here’s heard from multiple stakeholders and can see strategic direction in the decision. A prediction: some of what this GM does is going to frustrate fans. This is sounding better and better and better. Bills last two RBs were drafted in the 3rd round. They understand positional value, I hope he can ship Barkley out for the best draft return. This is exactly what I mean when I say he’ll do some things that will be unpopular. Most of us have decided what to do with DJ and SB. I don’t think he’s going to come in here with the attitude that he knows exactly what DJ and SB are until HIS staff and his meetings with the players tells him who he thinks they are and what their value is to how he’s going to build out the franchise. Almost every article on this guys talks about getting everyone’s opinion in order to make an informed decision. Which runs counter to most fan’s mindset which is “isn’t it obvious what we should do?” |
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Post by bizcliz on Jan 25, 2022 11:28:38 GMT -5
Bills last two RBs were drafted in the 3rd round. They understand positional value, I hope he can ship Barkley out for the best draft return. This is exactly what I mean when I say he’ll do some things that will be unpopular. Most of us have decided what to do with DJ and SB. I don’t think he’s going to come in here with the attitude that he knows exactly what DJ and SB are until HIS staff and his meetings with the players tells him who he thinks they are and what their value is to how he’s going to build out the franchise. Almost every article on this guys talks about getting everyone’s opinion in order to make an informed decision. Which runs counter to most fan’s mindset which is “isn’t it obvious what we should do?” Decided what to do and are adamant that it is the only true correct route. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 25, 2022 12:04:59 GMT -5
If they need Jones as a place holder until they find the right QB than I'm okay with it. Barkley can stay as long as they don't give him big dollars or if trading him is good for the team than I can pack his bags for him and drive him to the airport.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 12:56:09 GMT -5
This is exactly what I mean when I say he’ll do some things that will be unpopular. Most of us have decided what to do with DJ and SB. I don’t think he’s going to come in here with the attitude that he knows exactly what DJ and SB are until HIS staff and his meetings with the players tells him who he thinks they are and what their value is to how he’s going to build out the franchise. Almost every article on this guys talks about getting everyone’s opinion in order to make an informed decision. Which runs counter to most fan’s mindset which is “isn’t it obvious what we should do?” Decided what to do and are adamant that it is the only true correct route. Haha! Bang on!! No other way this could turn out I guess 😉 |
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