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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 10:55:40 GMT -5
its all very simple.
- Jones has not earned a 5th year extension. He knows it, everyone knows it and no one is surprised. If Judge and DG were still here he wouldn't have gotten it either. - Taylor has been in the NFL for 10/11 seasons is there really any issue with him being able to have better games than a 4th year QB who has struggled and has been in a shit show of situation? - Taylor was not signed to be competition, at all. Not even a little. He is here to TRY and clean up a mess if its needed. - Could Taylor win more games at this point in time than Jones? Maybe yes and maybe no but that doesn't matter at all. The debate doesn't matter either. - Jones is being given the continuing chance that so many 4th year QBs have been given who were drafted to be the franchise. Its not like its some unusual circumstance at all. -Jones is the start and Taylor is not. The only way Taylor becomes the starter is through injury or a total failure by Jones.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 11:01:56 GMT -5
its all very simple. - Jones has not earned a 5th year extension. He knows it, everyone knows it and no one is surprised. If Judge and DG were still here he wouldn't have gotten it either. - Taylor has been in the NFL for 10/11 seasons is there really any issue with him being able to have better games than a 4th year QB who has struggled and has been in a shit show of situation? - Taylor was not signed to be competition, at all. Not even a little. He is here to TRY and clean up a mess if its needed. - Could Taylor win more games at this point in time than Jones? Maybe yes and maybe no but that doesn't matter at all. The debate doesn't matter either. - Jones is being given the continuing chance that so many 4th year QBs have been given who were drafted to be the franchise. Its not like its some unusual circumstance at all. -Jones is the start and Taylor is not. The only way Taylor becomes the starter is through injury or a total failure by Jones. Taylor is not the answer. If Jones sucks (I don’t think that he will) let him continue and get a better draft slot.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 11:06:57 GMT -5
its all very simple. - Jones has not earned a 5th year extension. He knows it, everyone knows it and no one is surprised. If Judge and DG were still here he wouldn't have gotten it either. - Taylor has been in the NFL for 10/11 seasons is there really any issue with him being able to have better games than a 4th year QB who has struggled and has been in a shit show of situation? - Taylor was not signed to be competition, at all. Not even a little. He is here to TRY and clean up a mess if its needed. - Could Taylor win more games at this point in time than Jones? Maybe yes and maybe no but that doesn't matter at all. The debate doesn't matter either. - Jones is being given the continuing chance that so many 4th year QBs have been given who were drafted to be the franchise. Its not like its some unusual circumstance at all. -Jones is the start and Taylor is not. The only way Taylor becomes the starter is through injury or a total failure by Jones. Taylor is not the answer. If Jones sucks (I don’t think that he will) let him continue and get a better draft slot. that is ridiculous. Its about wining as well as rebuilding, Keeping a failing QB in just to get a draft spot is a joke.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 11:11:31 GMT -5
Taylor is not the answer. If Jones sucks (I don’t think that he will) let him continue and get a better draft slot. that is ridiculous. Its about wining as well as rebuilding, Keeping a failing QB in just to get a draft spot is a joke. How many more games do you think that Taylor would win over Jones?
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 11:15:02 GMT -5
that is ridiculous. Its about wining as well as rebuilding, Keeping a failing QB in just to get a draft spot is a joke. How many more games do you think that Taylor would win over Jones? if Jones is failing you get him out. Its not about guessing who will more more games its what is better fr the team in general at that time. I assume you were happy with Glennon and Fromm then
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 11:55:02 GMT -5
How many more games do you think that Taylor would win over Jones? if Jones is failing you get him out. Its not about guessing who will more more games its what is better fr the team in general at that time. I assume you were happy with Glennon and Fromm then They were the backups just like Taylor.
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Post by southerner on Aug 20, 2022 12:36:44 GMT -5
By mid October the hometown Giant fans will be chanting for DJ’s benching…..at that point they won’t care who replaces him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 15:08:06 GMT -5
Ill go out on a further limb. This organization had a chance to go after a plan C option in the event that DJ got hurt. A first rd talent that was there at our 3rd pick. QB Malik Willis. In my opinion, I think that will go as one of the biggest passes we have ever made in the draft. Its almost as hard to find a good starting CB as it is to find a starting QB. Think, after 3 years we are stiĺl questioning the QB situation. The CB could be on somebodys pratice squad by next year or the year after. Wasnt hard to take a long shot swing at Malik and bench him for the year. Now next year we might be in QB hell again to pick who knows what college QB. Sounds like another regime change ahead before we get a real good solid QB starter if DJ flops. Im tired of losing. Hope that doesnt happen. Willis has the tools, and has looked good thus far...despite running a bit too much He's getting as lot of reps vs the Bucs today...
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 15:47:29 GMT -5
By mid October the hometown Giant fans will be chanting for DJ’s benching…..at that point they won’t care who replaces him. some arent even waiting which is a shame actually
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 15:49:58 GMT -5
if Jones is failing you get him out. Its not about guessing who will more more games its what is better fr the team in general at that time. I assume you were happy with Glennon and Fromm then They were the backups just like Taylor. Your point is being totally lost at this time. Maybe say exactly what you mean if you even you know. You basically want the the team to tank if Jones cant get it done or gets injured. In any other scenario Jones is getting done.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 15:51:48 GMT -5
They were the backups just like Taylor. Your point is being totally lost at this time. You basically want the the team to tank if Jones cant get it done or gets injured. In any other scenario Jones is getting done.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 20, 2022 15:56:49 GMT -5
Ill go out on a further limb. This organization had a chance to go after a plan C option in the event that DJ got hurt. A first rd talent that was there at our 3rd pick. QB Malik Willis. In my opinion, I think that will go as one of the biggest passes we have ever made in the draft. Its almost as hard to find a good starting CB as it is to find a starting QB. Think, after 3 years we are stiĺl questioning the QB situation. The CB could be on somebodys pratice squad by next year or the year after. Wasnt hard to take a long shot swing at Malik and bench him for the year. Now next year we might be in QB hell again to pick who knows what college QB. Sounds like another regime change ahead before we get a real good solid QB starter if DJ flops. Im tired of losing. Hope that doesnt happen. For those too young to remember, we passed on Gayle Sayers, Dick Butkus and Joe Namath (3 Hall of Fame players) in a single draft. Sweet hyperbole....
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 15:57:40 GMT -5
Do you have reading comprehension problems? No. Which is why I’m asking you to reread his first sentence slowly. Don’t bother replying. If you still don’t get the point you will never understand my reply to MS.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 16:02:01 GMT -5
They were the backups just like Taylor. Your point is being totally lost at this time. Maybe say exactly what you mean if you even you know. You basically want the the team to tank if Jones cant get it done or gets injured. In any other scenario Jones is getting done. I think my point is pretty clear. Taylor is not going to take the Giants to the promised land. He doesn’t get in unless Jones gets injured.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 16:03:04 GMT -5
Your point is being totally lost at this time. Maybe say exactly what you mean if you even you know. You basically want the the team to tank if Jones cant get it done or gets injured. In any other scenario Jones is getting done. I think my point is pretty clear. Taylor is not going to take the Giants to the promised land. He doesn’t get in unless Jones gets injured. no kidding. I feel the same but I also think he should play if Jones is terrible not just injured
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 20, 2022 16:05:37 GMT -5
Ill go out on a further limb. This organization had a chance to go after a plan C option in the event that DJ got hurt. A first rd talent that was there at our 3rd pick. QB Malik Willis. In my opinion, I think that will go as one of the biggest passes we have ever made in the draft. Its almost as hard to find a good starting CB as it is to find a starting QB. Think, after 3 years we are stiĺl questioning the QB situation. The CB could be on somebodys pratice squad by next year or the year after. Wasnt hard to take a long shot swing at Malik and bench him for the year. Now next year we might be in QB hell again to pick who knows what college QB. Sounds like another regime change ahead before we get a real good solid QB starter if DJ flops. Im tired of losing. Hope that doesnt happen. For those too young to remember, we passed on Gayle Sayers, Dick Butkus and Joe Namath (3 Hall of Fame players) in a single draft. Sweet hyperbole.... I can only imagine how todays fans would treat Joe Namath.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 20, 2022 16:06:23 GMT -5
I think my point is pretty clear. Taylor is not going to take the Giants to the promised land. He doesn’t get in unless Jones gets injured. no kidding. I feel the same but I also think he should play if Jones is terrible not just injured The we disagree.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 16:06:26 GMT -5
For those too young to remember, we passed on Gayle Sayers, Dick Butkus and Joe Namath (3 Hall of Fame players) in a single draft. Sweet hyperbole.... I can only imagine how todays fans would treat Joe Namath. more picks than TDs.. love that stat
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 20, 2022 16:11:32 GMT -5
I can only imagine how todays fans would treat Joe Namath. more picks than TDs.. love that stat Probably around 50% completions as well. Joe Namath aside, I kind of miss the 80's era of football.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2022 16:12:56 GMT -5
more picks than TDs.. love that stat Probably around 50% completions as well. Joe Namath aside, I kind of miss the 80's era of football. yeah...different game. The 80s game was different than the 60s and 70s game. It always changes.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 20, 2022 17:25:51 GMT -5
Lmfao, this is so on point 🤣
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2022 17:48:25 GMT -5
By mid October the hometown Giant fans will be chanting for DJ’s benching…..at that point they won’t care who replaces him. some arent even waiting which is a shame actually Some have been rooting for this since 2019
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2022 17:49:56 GMT -5
Ill go out on a further limb. This organization had a chance to go after a plan C option in the event that DJ got hurt. A first rd talent that was there at our 3rd pick. QB Malik Willis. In my opinion, I think that will go as one of the biggest passes we have ever made in the draft. Its almost as hard to find a good starting CB as it is to find a starting QB. Think, after 3 years we are stiĺl questioning the QB situation. The CB could be on somebodys pratice squad by next year or the year after. Wasnt hard to take a long shot swing at Malik and bench him for the year. Now next year we might be in QB hell again to pick who knows what college QB. Sounds like another regime change ahead before we get a real good solid QB starter if DJ flops. Im tired of losing. Hope that doesnt happen. For those too young to remember, we passed on Gayle Sayers, Dick Butkus and Joe Namath (3 Hall of Fame players) in a single draft. Sweet hyperbole.... A lot of that around here it seems
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 20, 2022 20:42:59 GMT -5
Wow, .....I think my mom was still in elementary school back then. Ha ha ha. I mean can we have at least have a respectful season this year Giants. I have never been embarrassed to be a Giants fan that is until the last few years. Its been a horrendous ride downhill. Give us something Giants , anything. sweep the freakin Eagles or sweep the freakin Cowgirls, and make the damn playoffs. Give us something to believe in this year Giants.
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Post by Martin on Aug 20, 2022 20:50:04 GMT -5
Wow, .....I think my mom was still in elementary school back then. Ha ha ha. I mean can we have at least have a respectful season this year Giants. I have never been embarrassed to be a Giants fan that is until the last few years. Its been a horrendous ride downhill. Give us something Giants , anything. sweep the freakin Eagles or sweep the freakin Cowgirls, and make the damn playoffs. Give us something to believe in this year Giants. yeah, as fans we need something. throw us a bone. At a minimum would love to know that the new GM and HC are legit and will keep building this team year over year.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2022 21:07:01 GMT -5
I'm sure "they want him to be the guy". I'm also sure "they think he can be the guy". I'm also pretty sure they don't think he will be the guy. That's why you don't pick up that option. Isnt that a contradiction? I think they’re hedging their bets. They have no choice. Dave put them in this position.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2022 21:34:22 GMT -5
Isnt that a contradiction? I think they’re hedging their bets. They have no choice. Dave put them in this position. Gucken Fettleman set this team back 5 plus years.... If this regime has this team near playoff contention in 2023 it will be a miracle
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 20, 2022 23:35:59 GMT -5
Because Taylor is what he is. I still think that while I'm a bit pessimistic, I DO think that Jones has more upside and it's in our team's interest to give him the chance to improve. Tyrod Taylor isn't improving. But the fact that our braintrust didn't pick up Jones' option should suggest that they share my pessimism, despite what they say for public consumption. You always say it’s about results. If you think Taylor is the better QB why wouldn’t you want him to start? Because we know Tyrods ceiling is not one that brings the team to the promise land. And while it's unlikely Jones can, there is still a chance that he hasn't reached his ceiling, and that ceiling could be higher. It's all about playing the odds. If Jones turns into a top notch QB, it brings a huge windfall to the team. Tyrod really only prevents this team bring being a 2 win team as opposed to a 5 win team.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2022 7:08:12 GMT -5
after 10 seasons he has a better resume' for sure.
is he a better QB for the NYGs this season? Impossible to tell at this point and it doesnt matter at all either way. Jones is the starter and will be given the chance to become the franchise. Those days are over for Taylor. He'll do the "clean up in aisle 3" if necessary. If that equates to wins and keeping the progress of this team moving forward than he will have earned his paycheck.
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Post by imgrate on Aug 21, 2022 9:36:17 GMT -5
They have no choice. Dave put them in this position. Gucken Fettleman set this team back 5 plus years.... If this regime has this team near playoff contention in 2023 it will be a miracle It all started and ended with taking a RB 2nd overall... It was just such an absolutely awful allocation of resources that crushed our chances of success. DG would have had to be a rockstar at every other single move he made in order to build a good team, which just isn't reasonable to expect.
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