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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2022 9:50:05 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. meh.. Taylor is certainly more seasoned but he is nothing but a back and has shown that who he is. Jones may just be a back up QB too at some point. Taylor didnt do anything last night to show he is a better choice than Jones right now. Taylor was close to throwing two picks and got very lucky. I really dont see Taylor winning any more games than Jones at this point. JOnes at least has room to grow where Taylor is what he is
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 9:54:18 GMT -5
Starting wr still didn't get much separation. KT and Sheppard could help that. The combination of KG and CJ may be as slow as it gets. I think only one should play at a time.
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 12, 2022 9:57:36 GMT -5
Taylors demeanor in the pocket is much more calm. Entering year 4, the hope that Jones will become something he has never ever been will fade. Taylor will ascend as the starter mid year and we will draft a QB next year.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2022 9:58:53 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. Preseason game 1, new teammates, and backups surrounding him.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2022 10:00:16 GMT -5
The point here DJ looked like he was going through his reads and was going to the correct option on almost every play, he had one bad pass and through one underneath to KG on a 3rd and long. If Taylor looked really solid I would be right in there calling for him but he was erratic and through several pickable balls that should have been picked. I do like Taylor off platform tho and he does vary his arm angles I just think it is Jones or were drafting a QB 2023. I don't care about that drop, or the stats. I'm talking about what I see regarding both QB's in the pocket. I know that Tyrod Taylor is going to be careful with the ball, maybe too careful. i do because that's what he is and has always been. I know TT will move well in the pocket. I know he won't turn the ball over. Tyrod Taylor is not a mystery. He's a veteran QB. But DJ makes me nervous every time he drops back. It always looks manic with him. in Jones's first and second season the take on him that he was clueless in the pocket. He wasnt "manic". Now that he is moving or how ever you want to lable it he is manic. I do understand the perception though. TT is a seasoned vet of 10/11 seasons.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 10:00:35 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. Until they show otherwise. Im not sure how many really expect us to be a playoff team this season. Too much damage caused by Gucken Fettleman to think otherwise
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 12, 2022 10:01:12 GMT -5
Also:
I can't believe we didn't make the playoffs this season!
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Post by FaceAcrossTheFloor on Aug 12, 2022 10:08:17 GMT -5
Taylor looked like a player more comfortable in the system to me That's about it
They really didn't run anything last night. None of the pre snap motions etc. None of the actual route combinations.
Neither of these guys are the answer
Daniel is without a doubt a better QB than Taylor but is clearly not ready to play in this system yet.
I don't see either of these guys on this team in 2023
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 12, 2022 10:14:53 GMT -5
regardless of which guy is better, to get a big starters contract for 2023 they will have to improve the play significantly.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 12, 2022 10:24:27 GMT -5
I didn't see the whole game, so can't speak on TT. But, Jones did OK in the two series he was in for. The main issue I see with him is the same that's it's been since the beginning. He doesn't do well when the play doesn't go as scripted.
But, in his defense. There were a couple of plays where he had to take big hits from free rushers, although I worry sometimes about his ability to call protections if there are always so many free guys coming up the middle.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 10:28:08 GMT -5
I didn't see the whole game, so can't speak on TT. But, Jones did OK in the two series he was in for. The main issue I see with him is the same that's it's been since the beginning. He doesn't do well when the play doesn't go as scripted. But, in his defense. There were a couple of plays where he had to take big hits from free rushers, although I worry sometimes about his ability to call protections if there are always so many free guys coming up the middle. Isn't it usually the center that calls line protections?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 10:30:47 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. GO GIANTS!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 10:36:09 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. It's why he never took the next step.. I'll take this guy for a backup any day of the week and is the perfect bridge guy if needed in 2023
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Post by scoostraw on Aug 12, 2022 10:43:38 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. I 100% agree with u Morehead. Yes they have to give DJ this one last chance but if it were a fair competition, TT starts.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 12, 2022 10:45:41 GMT -5
I didn't see the whole game, so can't speak on TT. But, Jones did OK in the two series he was in for. The main issue I see with him is the same that's it's been since the beginning. He doesn't do well when the play doesn't go as scripted. But, in his defense. There were a couple of plays where he had to take big hits from free rushers, although I worry sometimes about his ability to call protections if there are always so many free guys coming up the middle. Isn't it usually the center that calls line protections? Center does it at the OL level, but the QB calls out protections as well, especially with the RBs since the Center can't see them. That's where the whole "51's the mike" deal came from with Eli.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 12, 2022 10:47:46 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. It would have been a nicer stat line if KG hangs on to that ball and it probably would have ended his night on high note. Actually, that first throw to KG was actually on point too. Didn’t realize that in real time, but on that fly route the ball dropped in the front right corner of the end zone. If KG had any sort of giddyup in his step that could’ve been another TD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 10:48:15 GMT -5
I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. It's why he never took the next step.. I'll take this guy for a backup any day of the week and is the perfect bridge guy if needed in 2023 At Vet minimum he's a nice choice.. Looks like they will be needing a LG for this season..
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 12, 2022 11:10:11 GMT -5
I like some of his he also had t 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked. I think we should pump the breaks. I new someone would call for him to be the man didn't think it would be you. Maybe he does end up the starter that will be a bad sign for the team. Hey TT is also in early preseason. There are going to be bad throws as both QB's are learning a new system and getting used to the players around them. But TT has what DJ doesn't...pocket presence. TT looks like an experienced pro in the pocket. he sees the rush well, he moves well and confidently in the pocket. As I said before, it always looks like a fire drill for DJ in the pocket. I wouldn't suggest that TT is any more than a good game manager. DJ has more physical tools. But I trust TT more than DJ right now. Maybe a switch will click for DJ at some point this year, but that is unlikely. All I'm saying is that right now, TT is the better player and gives us a better chance to win. But we know what Tyrod Taylor is. There is no mystery. We HOPE DJ can be better than he's been. We KNOW what TT is. Right now, that's better than DJ. Just an FYI, Taylor is not learning a new system which is why he does dump offs a lot.
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Post by jaymas on Aug 12, 2022 11:21:06 GMT -5
I think this take is wrong, and I agree DJ's first "miss" to Golloday was a perfect throw.
But Taylor is learning a new system. He did not cross paths with Daboll in Buffalo.
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Post by mendy on Aug 12, 2022 11:54:59 GMT -5
I think it's being forgotten the TT is a very experienced QB playing with and against mostly second team players. Jones looked better but still needs work TT is a NFL caliber back up. Anyone know how Webb did with the scrubs? To add , yes I would cut Golladay.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2022 12:01:08 GMT -5
I think it's being forgotten the TT is a very experienced QB playing with and against mostly second team players. Jones looked better but still needs work TT is a NFL caliber back up. Anyone know how Webb did with the scrubs? To add , yes I would cut Golladay. Webb didn't look good to me....at all.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:34:49 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. when I saw TT come in and dropped back for the very first pass you could see it in all of his mannerisms, movement, actions, that that WAS NOT his first rodeo and he looked like he belong. I mean everything was crisp and smooth and it was I believe the second pass that Board fumbled but the play and the pass and everything was on point and looked like he was the commander of the ship.... That's what I've noticed about him and right away though I fell asleep or dozed off some of the 2nd quarter I know and maybe even some of the first. I wasn't really interested in watching the 2nd half and turned on netflix. So yeah DJ we will start the season with you but as Kurt Warner said, by this time and heck even year 2 you will just see certain things from a qb that lets you know he belongs. DJ this is your chance and likely the last.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:37:04 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. WTF was that pass in the flat to #27 lol. I mean how hard is it to make that throw
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:42:02 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. based on highlights, not sure if he’s reading a defense. i did see the famous eyes right to the spot he was going to the left with that one throw; not the one that he overthrew by a mile either lol
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:47:37 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.
I was very impressed by Tyrod when he first came in and as the game went along, his flaws became more apparent. But I understand where you're coming from. He's appears more fluid, more in control in the pocket and when he needs to move. Daniel appears more jittery for want of a better word.
Take Daniel's run for the first down as an example. It was anything but smooth. And if he got himself hurt on that play we would have been livid.
Daniel just doesn't look comfortable yet. Hopefully that changes because he clearly has more physical talent than Tyrod.
even when DJ runs like you said that doesn't even look smooth heheee hence the trip up vs the girls smh. even when Eli ran though he looked it almost looked like something bad was going to happen every dang time and most of the time it did lol
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 12:47:50 GMT -5
I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. GO GIANTS!! LOL GO GIANTS, I take pride in admitting I was wrong lol.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:49:16 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. Until they show otherwise. Im not sure how many really expect us to be a playoff team this season. lol PLAYYYYYYYYOFFFFFFFFFFSSSS........ I just hope we can win some games..................
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:51:37 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. meh.. Taylor is certainly more seasoned but he is nothing but a back and has shown that who he is. Jones may just be a back up QB too at some point. Taylor didnt do anything last night to show he is a better choice than Jones right now. Taylor was close to throwing two picks and got very lucky. I really dont see Taylor winning any more games than Jones at this point. JOnes at least has room to grow where Taylor is what he is let's hope he does lol but right now he has the " Chance" to grow because we are giving him that one last chance.....
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 12, 2022 12:51:51 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. From what I saw last night, Tyrod looked like exactly what he is … a competent veteran backup. I saw nothing to indicate that he would be a significant upgrade over Jones as a starter.
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Post by jaymas on Aug 12, 2022 12:53:56 GMT -5
I love that people still think that they know how Jones reads the field by watching a game on regular television.
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