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Post by allnygin on Aug 12, 2022 12:54:10 GMT -5
DJ had a decent game tonight, i just don't know what it is, but I don't have a good feeling about him.
Regardless, he's going to get every oppurtunity. Tyrod looked good for being a back up but to say he looked better may just be a little bias, bc if you step back and look at it, they both were off on some throws. Tyrod looked more comfortable to me, but that doesn't make him better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 12:54:40 GMT -5
I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. Preseason game 1, new teammates, and backups surrounding him. I think he is a upper echelon backup and if Jones doesn't get it he will be to. Like Taylor, Jones has had about as bad a situation as a QB could have to start his career. I have to say our OL has had the same thing hopefully the coaching and front office cluster%$#$ is solved next up if need be is the QB, there's a slim chance they won't have to and I would prefer it that way.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:55:41 GMT -5
I think this take is wrong, and I agree DJ's first "miss" to Golloday was a perfect throw. But Taylor is learning a new system. He did not cross paths with Daboll in Buffalo. was he in Buff last year?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:56:06 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor looked exactly like a backup QB last night. Glad we have him, hope he never has to take a snap. What has Jones looked like the past three seasons? lol
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 12:57:56 GMT -5
LOL GO GIANTS, I take pride in admitting I was wrong lol. wrong about what?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2022 12:58:47 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. From what I saw last night, Tyrod looked like exactly what he is … a competent veteran backup. I saw nothing to indicate that he would be a significant upgrade over Jones as a starter. I agree and it is purely business. At QB the thing we need to find out this year is "do we need to spend a #1 or more in next year's draft to pick a QB?" TT is not our long-term answer so playing him means we must pick that QB and delay the rebuild. We will only know about DJ by playing him every week he is healthy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 13:01:40 GMT -5
LOL GO GIANTS, I take pride in admitting I was wrong lol. wrong about what? Taylor he had a decent run one year in Buffalo but the best I can see him doing now is getting a few games for us maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:02:22 GMT -5
LOL GO GIANTS, I take pride in admitting I was wrong lol. Don't you worry I was wrong once and my wife doesn't let me forget..
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Post by jaymas on Aug 12, 2022 13:03:39 GMT -5
I think this take is wrong, and I agree DJ's first "miss" to Golloday was a perfect throw. But Taylor is learning a new system. He did not cross paths with Daboll in Buffalo. was he in Buff last year? Taylor was last in Buffalo in 2017, the year before Daboll arrived. Rick Dennison was the OC in McDermott's first season.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 13:04:15 GMT -5
Taylor he had a decent run one year in Buffalo but the best I can see him doing now is getting a few games for us maybe. oh
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 13:21:31 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. WTF was that pass in the flat to #27 lol. I mean how hard is it to make that throw Not a hard throw but with DB closing fast he may have felt he had to put some zing to get it there.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 12, 2022 13:33:15 GMT -5
TT solid back up, DJ did okay. The fact there is quite a bit of banter about DJ's performance at this point with one pre-season game. This just makes me think more and more that the Giants are going QB in the first round next year.
In terms of TT replacing DJ, I would think it would be at least 6 games before that would happen, IMO.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 14:01:18 GMT -5
LOL GO GIANTS, I take pride in admitting I was wrong lol. Don't you worry I was wrong once and my wife doesn't let me forget.. LOL my wife thinks she has never been wrong.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2022 14:02:50 GMT -5
Don't you worry I was wrong once and my wife doesn't let me forget.. LOL my wife thinks she has never been wrong. I am going to take her side on that one. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6149188/images/xJeALGJYlloJpFYUnsUs.png)
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2022 14:32:13 GMT -5
Don't you worry I was wrong once and my wife doesn't let me forget.. LOL my wife thinks she has never been wrong. That's the definition of being a wife. You ain't special.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 12, 2022 14:37:56 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.Nice post. That last sentence has a lot of hidden meaning: I think you are right, but that switch would mark a massive change in how we operate as a team, specifically the Owner v GM/HC dynamic. Mara has a deathgrip on a player at times, and I would think a 1st round pick may be very hard for him.
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Post by jaymas on Aug 12, 2022 14:51:58 GMT -5
TT solid back up, DJ did okay. The fact there is quite a bit of banter about DJ's performance at this point with one pre-season game. This just makes me think more and more that the Giants are going QB in the first round next year. In terms of TT replacing DJ, I would think it would be at least 6 games before that would happen, IMO. You think the banter here about DJs two series in a preseason game is an indication the Giants org is going to go QB in next year's draft?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 14:54:00 GMT -5
I love that people still think that they know how Jones reads the field by watching a game on regular television. I didn’t know he did read the field!
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Post by DonnieYen on Aug 12, 2022 14:56:34 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. to early to tell Jones played 1 quarter and his first drive was really good and the offensive line was really good on that first drive even helped out the running game. I think this offense will run a lot may be even run first. I think by Jones's second drive they were already cycling out first stringers. Tyrod looked good too solid drives and his first drive would have been good had there not been a fumble. If I'm gonna be honest All three QBs looked good I would love the Giants to stick with Webb as a third string QB you never know if 1 and 2 get hurt and Webb is like an extra coach. I remember Eli Manning always looking shacky in preseason but once the season started he looked really good and this was in Eli's prime. IMHO Jones is a good QB kind of a hybrid Eli/Peyton but the dude can run really good. Jones's biggest problem is staying healthy with a better offensive line may be Jones can avoid injury. I do think Jones will have a short leash any inconsistency in play or injury Tyrod is in there. That's why we got him.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 14:59:22 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. WTF was that pass in the flat to #27 lol. I mean how hard is it to make that throw Relax, its only his 4th year!
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Post by jaymas on Aug 12, 2022 14:59:28 GMT -5
I love that people still think that they know how Jones reads the field by watching a game on regular television. I didn’t know he did read the field!
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Post by mendy on Aug 12, 2022 15:15:46 GMT -5
I think it's being forgotten the TT is a very experienced QB playing with and against mostly second team players. Jones looked better but still needs work TT is a NFL caliber back up. Anyone know how Webb did with the scrubs? To add , yes I would cut Golladay. Webb didn't look good to me....at all. Thank you.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 15:19:21 GMT -5
Well after just rewatching only the offense in the first half, I don’t think there is that much of a “significant” difference between Tyrod and Jones which isn’t a good thing for our future. A few notables though, Tyrod does have more mobility and did look more comfortable. Tyrod didn’t have the luxury of playing with the starters which would have made a significant difference IMO. Jones never completed a pass over 10 yards against BACK UPS and some fans are talking about how good he looked which is mind boggling to me. I can’t think of one starter (or higher caliber back ups) that wouldn’t have completed those exact same passes but whatever. I think if the roles were reversed, Tyrod would have looked better playing behind the starters and DJ would have struggled much more than Tyrod with the back ups on offense due to his lack of mobility and struggles with pocket awareness. I know that’s obvious but I feel it’s extremely overlooked when comparing the two. We’ll obviously know a lot more in about a month. Hopefully we’ll know a little more next week if Cincy plays their starters on defense. *Opinion subject to change on a weekly basis and hopefully it does ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6149188/images/xJeALGJYlloJpFYUnsUs.png)
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 12, 2022 15:56:38 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. if DJ plays so bad that he gets replaced at midseason then it might make sense to just leave him in there and let him sink or swim and we will then be playing for our draft position...
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Post by Roswell on Aug 12, 2022 16:05:43 GMT -5
The point here DJ looked like he was going through his reads and was going to the correct option on almost every play, he had one bad pass and through one underneath to KG on a 3rd and long. If Taylor looked really solid I would be right in there calling for him but he was erratic and through several pickable balls that should have been picked. I do like Taylor off platform tho and he does vary his arm angles I just think it is Jones or were drafting a QB 2023. I don't care about that drop, or the stats. I'm talking about what I see regarding both QB's in the pocket. I know that Tyrod Taylor is going to be careful with the ball, maybe too careful. i do because that's what he is and has always been. I know TT will move well in the pocket. I know he won't turn the ball over. Tyrod Taylor is not a mystery. He's a veteran QB. But DJ makes me nervous every time he drops back. It always looks manic with him. You place a premium on pocket presence which admittedly Taylor has more of. But every other aspect of his game is lacking. He's a backup QB based on his career performances when the lights go on. To judge and anoint him in one preseason game, a game Jones played pretty well in, is premature.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 17:00:04 GMT -5
WTF was that pass in the flat to #27 lol. I mean how hard is it to make that throw Relax, its only his 4th year! Vinnie LMAO LOL..................
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 17:02:24 GMT -5
WTF was that pass in the flat to #27 lol. I mean how hard is it to make that throw Not a hard throw but with DB closing fast he may have felt he had to put some zing to get it there. could've been
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 17:04:18 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. if DJ plays so bad that he gets replaced at midseason the it might make sense to just leave him in there and let him sink or swim and we will then be playing for our draft choice place... It would make sense but Schoen and Dabs, both firsts at their current positions, are going to do whatever it takes to win. They won’t pull a Doug Pederson. We’re pretty screwed next year with regards to picking whichever QB we want regardless. I believe there are 3 potential QB needy teams who have 2 first round picks next year, the Eagles being one of them. So unless Reagor works out for them or unless we get the first overall pick, they will most likely jump us for whoever they want. Good news is plenty of great QB’s have been taken later in the draft and plenty of the top picks have busted. Edit: We’re f’ed next year…there are 5 team with 2 first round picks that very well may need a QB. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-draft-teams-with-two-first-round-picks-and-the-path-for-each-to-select-a-quarterback/
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 17:05:11 GMT -5
I love that people still think that they know how Jones reads the field by watching a game on regular television. I didn’t know he did read the field! lol lol but and it is easy to see when he immediately locks on. I mean if he knows where he's going and getting rid of it fast I can see that but........
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 12, 2022 17:11:49 GMT -5
Well after just rewatching only the offense in the first half, I don’t think there is that much of a “significant” difference between Tyrod and Jones which isn’t a good thing for our future. A few notables though, Tyrod does have more mobility and did look more comfortable. Tyrod didn’t have the luxury of playing with the starters which would have made a significant difference IMO. Jones never completed a pass over 10 yards against BACK UPS and some fans are talking about how good he looked which is mind boggling to me. I can’t think of one starter (or higher caliber back ups) that wouldn’t have completed those exact same passes but whatever. I think if the roles were reversed, Tyrod would have looked better playing behind the starters and DJ would have struggled much more than Tyrod with the back ups on offense due to his lack of mobility and struggles with pocket awareness. I know that’s obvious but I feel it’s extremely overlooked when comparing the two. We’ll obviously know a lot more in about a month. Hopefully we’ll know a little more next week if Cincy plays their starters on defense. *Opinion subject to change on a weekly basis and hopefully it does ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6149188/images/xJeALGJYlloJpFYUnsUs.png) very well put and about as plain as it can be
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