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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 7:28:53 GMT -5
Taylor might be starting if Jones stalls like he has to this point. I've seen enough of Jones to say he's a decent backup. this will be the year for sure. so if all he becomes is a decent back up the why not leave him in. TT is a decent back up too and not much more. I'm sure they will because of the situation. but the very average play of the QB's the last several years, is making the experience of watching pretty dull.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 7:32:45 GMT -5
so if all he becomes is a decent back up the why not leave him in. TT is a decent back up too and not much more. I'm sure they will because of the situation. but the very average play of the QB's the last several years, is making the experience of watching pretty dull. an exciting season would be for Jones to step. A another "dull" season would be Taylor to continuing to show why he is a back up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 8:35:45 GMT -5
I'm sure they will because of the situation. but the very average play of the QB's the last several years, is making the experience of watching pretty dull. an exciting season would be for Jones to step. A another "dull" season would be Taylor to continuing to show why he is a back up. Fair enough, just want to see some better Football, and not just from Jones.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 8:38:36 GMT -5
an exciting season would be for Jones to step. A another "dull" season would be Taylor to continuing to show why he is a back up. Fair enough, just want to see some better Football, and not just from Jones. agreed...100% If Taylor does wind up having to play and does have some success that of course will not be a bad thing. Any success is beneficial.
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Post by robl on Aug 16, 2022 9:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 9:28:36 GMT -5
just makes sense. JOoes is the starter and TT is the back up. Presason and camp is not changing that other than an injury
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 16, 2022 9:30:54 GMT -5
just makes sense. JOoes is the starter and TT is the back up. Presason and camp is not changing that other than an injury You HAVE to give your direct backup snaps with the starters. .all teams do it
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 9:33:18 GMT -5
just makes sense. JOoes is the starter and TT is the back up. Presason and camp is not changing that other than an injury You HAVE to give your direct backup snaps with the starters. .all teams do it I dony really care if TT gets snaps with the ones or not. If he does I dont take as an indictment on Jones. I get what you are saying though.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 16, 2022 9:40:04 GMT -5
just makes sense. JOoes is the starter and TT is the back up. Presason and camp is not changing that other than an injury You HAVE to give your direct backup snaps with the starters. .all teams do it The thing is that it is really important for playoff teams to do that. They need their backup to be ready to play with the 1s for a few games to keep the team in contention if the starter gets dinged up a bit. I wish we were one of those teams.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 16, 2022 9:41:55 GMT -5
the backup Qb is always a fan favorite . . . until he plays
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Post by Tyrell on Aug 16, 2022 9:48:47 GMT -5
I hope in my lifetime we get a qb where after 3-4 years, we just know, like other people get to have. im exhausted of wondering about jones, unsure whether the guy will be even mediocre or not. its not supposed to be like this. but this season is what it is, his final attempt.
my thinking is dabaoll and schoen already have their eyes on some kids out there we're not even aware of yet.....
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 16, 2022 10:00:28 GMT -5
just makes sense. JOoes is the starter and TT is the back up. Presason and camp is not changing that other than an injury You HAVE to give your direct backup snaps with the starters. .all teams do it The irony is with so many injuries on offense we are already playing our backups there anyway.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 16, 2022 16:47:23 GMT -5
First one did second two didn't. sure they did because if he did well they would have counted right? He had a coaching staff that shackled him in his second two seasons.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 16, 2022 16:48:53 GMT -5
First one did second two didn't. Let me write that down. "When he sucks....it doesn't count". Got it. I believe he sucked because of the coaching staff.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 16:51:02 GMT -5
sure they did because if he did well they would have counted right? He had a coaching staff that shackled him in his second two seasons. doesnt matter at this point. He still showed faults. This is his 4th season and he gets no luxury of OL, WR, coaching leeway. Its just the way it is.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 16, 2022 17:21:19 GMT -5
He had a coaching staff that shackled him in his second two seasons. doesnt matter at this point. He still showed faults. This is his 4th season and he gets no luxury of OL, WR, coaching leeway. Its just the way it is. The coaching staff didn’t let him play his game. As EA said about Eli let the kid play.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -5
doesnt matter at this point. He still showed faults. This is his 4th season and he gets no luxury of OL, WR, coaching leeway. Its just the way it is. The coaching staff didn’t let him play his game. As EA said about Eli let the kid play. doesnt matter...still his 4th year and he has to show it He will get no quarter this time around.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 17:54:33 GMT -5
Let me write that down. "When he sucks....it doesn't count". Got it. I believe he sucked because of the coaching staff. Yes of course.......that must be it.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 16, 2022 18:05:38 GMT -5
I believe he sucked because of the coaching staff. Yes of course.......that must be it. It would be hard for 90% of the QBs in the NFL to flourish with the equation Daniel Jones has been given. That Oline? Injuries to every capable WR and RB? A playbook from the strike year in ‘87? A head coach who was afraid to call a pass from his own four yard line so he called 3 QB sneaks in an inconsequential, end of the year game? Stop it MS. Dan Marino would’ve looked like Dave Brown with that crew. That said, if he doesn’t get it done this year, I’ll help him pack and drive him to the airport. But he deserves this year.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 18:17:35 GMT -5
Yes of course.......that must be it. It would be hard for 90% of the QBs in the NFL to flourish with the equation Daniel Jones has been given. That Oline? Injuries to every capable WR and RB? A playbook from the strike year in ‘87? A head coach who was afraid to call a pass from his own four yard line so he called 3 QB sneaks in an inconsequential, end of the year game? Stop it MS. Dan Marino would’ve looked like Dave Brown with that crew. That said, if he doesn’t get it done this year, I’ll help him pack and drive him to the airport. But he deserves this year. Yes, the players around him weren't very good. He still has poor pocket awareness and he still locks on to receivers. And the kid in Dallas did pretty well with that playbook. To me.....this is all excuse making. DJ may have had a raw deal, but he's also part of the problem.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 16, 2022 18:46:47 GMT -5
Yes of course.......that must be it. It would be hard for 90% of the QBs in the NFL to flourish with the equation Daniel Jones has been given. That Oline? Injuries to every capable WR and RB? A playbook from the strike year in ‘87? A head coach who was afraid to call a pass from his own four yard line so he called 3 QB sneaks in an inconsequential, end of the year game? Stop it MS. Dan Marino would’ve looked like Dave Brown with that crew. That said, if he doesn’t get it done this year, I’ll help him pack and drive him to the airport. But he deserves this year. The OL and injuries to WR and HB is why the playbook was awful.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 20:29:45 GMT -5
It would be hard for 90% of the QBs in the NFL to flourish with the equation Daniel Jones has been given. That Oline? Injuries to every capable WR and RB? A playbook from the strike year in ‘87? A head coach who was afraid to call a pass from his own four yard line so he called 3 QB sneaks in an inconsequential, end of the year game? Stop it MS. Dan Marino would’ve looked like Dave Brown with that crew. That said, if he doesn’t get it done this year, I’ll help him pack and drive him to the airport. But he deserves this year. The OL and injuries to WR and HB is why the playbook was awful. You know...In 1984, the Giants had a terrible O line, no decent WR's and no running game. Yet Phil threw for 4000 yards with no Giant catching 50 balls. He won 9 games and a playoff game. You can either play or not. You can overcome or you can't. You can see if a guy can play even when he has crap around him. Yet in year 4, we have no idea if DJ is anything more than a back up QB. I hate to tell you all but the chances are good that it's all he is. Now, as I said, I'm all for giving him this chance, but the chances are pretty slim for the kid at this point. He has tools, but NO poise in the pocket. Can you coach that? I can't say for sure but I can't remember ever seeing it turn around for another NFL QB in the way you all seem optimistic about with Daniel Jones. I'm sick of the ****ing excuses for this kid and so many here continue to dish them out.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 16, 2022 20:44:10 GMT -5
The coaching staff didn’t let him play his game. As EA said about Eli let the kid play. doesnt matter...still his 4th year and he has to show it He will get no quarter this time around. What is your prediction for him this year?
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Post by Speedman on Aug 16, 2022 20:45:07 GMT -5
I believe he sucked because of the coaching staff. Yes of course.......that must be it. What is your prediction for him this year?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 16, 2022 20:46:17 GMT -5
The OL and injuries to WR and HB is why the playbook was awful. You know...In 1984, the Giants had a terrible O line, no decent WR's and no running game. Yet Phil threw for 4000 yards with no Giant catching 50 balls. He won 9 games and a playoff game. You can either play or not. You can overcome or you can't. You can see if a guy can play even when he has crap around him. Yet in year 4, we have no idea if DJ is anything more than a back up QB. I hate to tell you all but the chances are good that it's all he is. Now, as I said, I'm all for giving him this chance, but the chances are pretty slim for the kid at this point. He has tools, but NO poise in the pocket. Can you coach that? I can't say for sure but I can't remember ever seeing it turn around for another NFL QB in the way you all seem optimistic about with Daniel Jones. I'm sick of the ****ing excuses for this kid and so many here continue to dish them out. William Roberts? Billy Ard? Karl Nelson? Brad Benson? Terrible?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 20:49:33 GMT -5
Yes of course.......that must be it. What is your prediction for him this year? My prediction is that he'll make some plays because he has the tools to. But he'll struggle with consistency and making plays in big spots with guys in his face....which good NFL QB's must do. He has no real calm in the pocket....which has always been his undoing. The reason he fumbles so much is because he doesn't sense the rush and has no idea what's happening in the pocket. It's always a three alarm fire with this kid in the pocket. And that's if he stays healthy....which he hasn't yet.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 20:52:39 GMT -5
You know...In 1984, the Giants had a terrible O line, no decent WR's and no running game. Yet Phil threw for 4000 yards with no Giant catching 50 balls. He won 9 games and a playoff game. You can either play or not. You can overcome or you can't. You can see if a guy can play even when he has crap around him. Yet in year 4, we have no idea if DJ is anything more than a back up QB. I hate to tell you all but the chances are good that it's all he is. Now, as I said, I'm all for giving him this chance, but the chances are pretty slim for the kid at this point. He has tools, but NO poise in the pocket. Can you coach that? I can't say for sure but I can't remember ever seeing it turn around for another NFL QB in the way you all seem optimistic about with Daniel Jones. I'm sick of the ****ing excuses for this kid and so many here continue to dish them out. William Roberts? Billy Ard? Karl Nelson? Brad Benson? Terrible? Yes. They were terrible. Brad Benson had one good game in his life and that was in 86 against Dexter Manley. I don't know how many times Phil was sacked in 84 but it had to be over 50. he ran for his life that entire season. And they had zero running game.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 16, 2022 21:05:06 GMT -5
William Roberts? Billy Ard? Karl Nelson? Brad Benson? Terrible? Yes. They were terrible. Brad Benson had one good game in his life and that was in 86 against Dexter Manley. I don't know how many times Phil was sacked in 84 but it had to be over 50. he ran for his life that entire season. And they had zero running game. They may not have been all pro but Ard, Nelson, Benson, etc were good enough to win a Superbowl with. Phil was my all time favorite but he may have taken some sacks because he was tough and didnt run much.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 16, 2022 21:07:40 GMT -5
You know...In 1984, the Giants had a terrible O line, no decent WR's and no running game. Yet Phil threw for 4000 yards with no Giant catching 50 balls. He won 9 games and a playoff game. You can either play or not. You can overcome or you can't. You can see if a guy can play even when he has crap around him. Yet in year 4, we have no idea if DJ is anything more than a back up QB. I hate to tell you all but the chances are good that it's all he is. Now, as I said, I'm all for giving him this chance, but the chances are pretty slim for the kid at this point. He has tools, but NO poise in the pocket. Can you coach that? I can't say for sure but I can't remember ever seeing it turn around for another NFL QB in the way you all seem optimistic about with Daniel Jones. I'm sick of the ****ing excuses for this kid and so many here continue to dish them out. William Roberts? Billy Ard? Karl Nelson? Brad Benson? Terrible? Nelson and Roberts were rookies and it took Roberts years to develop. Whole team as sloppy. Simms was sacked a lot and i remember the Giants giving up 3 safeties to the Rams. The Rams were stunned to lose the rematch in the playoffs.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 16, 2022 21:19:00 GMT -5
William Roberts? Billy Ard? Karl Nelson? Brad Benson? Terrible? Nelson and Roberts were rookies and it took Roberts years to develop. Whole team as sloppy. Simms was sacked a lot and i remember the Giants giving up 3 safeties to the Rams. The Rams were stunned to lose the rematch in the playoffs. Yeah I remember Roberts having growing pains as our 1st round pick but I felt Ard, Benson, and Nelson were all servicible. Nothing like we had last season. Belcher was sold before his injury. We also had some WR step up for us that year. Ill never forget the opener vs the Eagles.
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