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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2022 21:26:46 GMT -5
doesnt matter...still his 4th year and he has to show it He will get no quarter this time around. What is your prediction for him this year? If he stays healthy a 25% chance to prove he good enough to get franchise tagged next season. Then has to show it again in 2023 o get a long term deal. He misses more than two games and he is done as NYG after 2022
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2022 21:43:22 GMT -5
So after 8 pages what's the consensus? Is our back-up better than our starter?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 16, 2022 22:07:43 GMT -5
Nelson and Roberts were rookies and it took Roberts years to develop. Whole team as sloppy. Simms was sacked a lot and i remember the Giants giving up 3 safeties to the Rams. The Rams were stunned to lose the rematch in the playoffs. Yeah I remember Roberts having growing pains as our 1st round pick but I felt Ard, Benson, and Nelson were all servicible. Nothing like we had last season. Belcher was sold before his injury. We also had some WR step up for us that year. Ill never forget the opener vs the Eagles. Mixed season with highs and sloppy lows. Hatred for the Skins and 49ers kept growing.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 16, 2022 22:12:59 GMT -5
Yeah I remember Roberts having growing pains as our 1st round pick but I felt Ard, Benson, and Nelson were all servicible. Nothing like we had last season. Belcher was sold before his injury. We also had some WR step up for us that year. Ill never forget the opener vs the Eagles. Mixed season with highs and sloppy lows. Hatred for the Skins and 49ers kept growing. That is true but coming off the prior season it was amazing for me. First the Giants were basically 3 yards and dust in previous years. In the season opener Simms comes out throwing to guys like Bobby Johnson, Byron Williams, Lionel Manual and Zeke Mowatt. People were like who are these guys? Where are the Giants. It was the first step. We lost to the Superbowl Champ 49ers but the next season we beat them before getting bullied in Chicago.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2022 23:44:01 GMT -5
Yes. They were terrible. Brad Benson had one good game in his life and that was in 86 against Dexter Manley. I don't know how many times Phil was sacked in 84 but it had to be over 50. he ran for his life that entire season. And they had zero running game. They may not have been all pro but Ard, Nelson, Benson, etc were good enough to win a Superbowl with. Phil was my all time favorite but he may have taken some sacks because he was tough and didnt run much. Not in 1984 they weren't.
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Post by giants8493 on Aug 17, 2022 0:17:07 GMT -5
So after 8 pages what's the consensus? Is our back-up better than our starter? Inquiring minds want to know. The order goes: Jones > Taylor > Toney > Webb
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 5:33:26 GMT -5
Just heard it on Keyshawn J Will and Max and nothing we don't already know saying likely they want to see how he looks with the first team o and how the ball moves Etc just in case after 5 or 6 games of the Season DJ is not doing well they may insert him. Now I'm of the mindset of okay we can ride with DJ the whole season no matter how he does sink or ship and see if he pulls himself out of a funk if he is in one or you know see if we can win some games which I'm sure that's going to be high on their priority list as well as to win games. But anyway the subject was something or Nothing what they were talking about this morning on that show and their opinion is you know it pretty much what we all been talking about pretty much as far as a little bit of pressure on DJ may be a good thing.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 5:40:51 GMT -5
They also talked about and they showed Tyrod Taylor's career stats and I know a lot of you guys said he almost had three interceptions or whatever in the preseason game last week I didn't watch the second half. But listening to them talk about his career in a hole and even some of the games I've seen him played you know he is definitely not a bad quarterback and just have had a lot of unfortunate little things to happen in his career car accidents little stuff like that that always seem to keep derailing some of his situations and not being in some of the better situations too. But anyway nothing a whole lot to say but I think he's probably a little better than a lot of us are a lot of guys have been seeing in some of the other threads. But sure I still want DJ to be the guy I hope he grasp the situation and take off and run with it
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 5:42:59 GMT -5
It's a little funny how they were saying there's something about if there was a league between college and the NFL that Daniel Jones and Sam Donald would probably light it up in that league but the NFL might be a little too much for them. Now that's their opinion right now and rightfully so you know a lot of things people are saying make sense but I will still say I hope the guy gets it done and also. And also about the pressure and wanting DJ to feel that pressure he should and he should feel it but feel it in a positive way as to it's a little to nothing because I'm still going to start and I'm still going to leave this team. That's the mentality we need him to have and I hope he has it.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 17, 2022 5:48:45 GMT -5
Simms was the most sacked QB in the history of the NFL when he retired, of course that has been overtaken manyfold at this point, but he played behind some atrocious lines over the course of his career.
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Post by ratbastich on Aug 17, 2022 6:27:36 GMT -5
I was listening to them talk about this morning on my way in to work. His stats are better but, like Keyshawn was talking it is Daniel Jones' job to lose. I don't think there is anything nefarious in it, just getting Taylor some reps with the first team because as we are fully aware, Daniel Jones making it through a full season is one of his goals and not something that happens regularly. I'm sure they are fully aware of how things went down with Glennon and Fromm last season and don't want to repeat that.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 6:31:37 GMT -5
I was listening to them talk about this morning on my way in to work. His stats are better but, like Keyshawn was talking it is Daniel Jones' job to lose. I don't think there is anything nefarious in it, just getting Taylor some reps with the first team because as we are fully aware, Daniel Jones making it through a full season is one of his goals and not something that happens regularly. I'm sure they are fully aware of how things went down with Glennon and Fromm last season and don't want to repeat that. I agree
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2022 6:40:06 GMT -5
Yea actually what Daboll said and what the talking heads say are 2 different things, he made it clear that Jones is the starter and they have total confidence in him, So the heads didn't start doing this speculating what it means that Taylor got reps with the first team. He cleared that up also saying he needs to get some reps with the first team he is one play away from being in there he needs some time with them also. I don't know if Jones will be a starter in the league I do know he has all the traits to be, he is damaged from the lack of coaching / protection / play makers. even in the preseason game where Jones played nearly flawless 1 bad throw and after watching 2 KG should have had for TDs the one down the sideline was placed nicely he just seems to be stuck in the mud, ON the other hand Taylor came and was ok but put the ball in harms way several times. As Fans we have to careful what we believe from the heads because if Jones isn't the answer and it is looking that way the Giants don't have a starter on their roster right now.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 6:47:23 GMT -5
Yea actually what Daboll said and what the talking heads say are 2 different things, he made it clear that Jones is the starter and they have total confidence in him, So the heads didn't start doing this speculating what it means that Taylor got reps with the first team. He cleared that up also saying he needs to get some reps with the first team he is one play away from being in there he needs some time with them also. I don't know if Jones will be a starter in the league I do know he has all the traits to be, he is damaged from the lack of coaching / protection / play makers. even in the preseason game where Jones played nearly flawless 1 bad throw and after watching 2 KG should have had for TDs the one down the sideline was placed nicely he just seems to be stuck in the mud, ON the other hand Taylor came and was ok but put the ball in harms way several times. As Fans we have to careful what we believe from the heads because if Jones isn't the answer and it is looking that way the Giants don't have a starter on their roster right now. yeah pretty much but they want to see how TT leads the first team just in case. I think they will look at his career as a whole vs his 1st preseason game here and they also need to see more from him, hence the more first team reps. But sure it's DJ's job to lose for sure and I'm rooting for the guy.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 17, 2022 6:56:02 GMT -5
We have 2 great backups to have, and a QB coach as our 3 QB options this season.
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Post by ratbastich on Aug 17, 2022 7:05:43 GMT -5
J. Will and Max are Giants fans and the Giants have been mismanaged for years so any type of move is going to be under a microscope and overanalyzed. This is definitely not the way I wanted to get media attention on the team. I remember always wondering why you never heard about the Giants in the offseason except on those rare occasions. I would constantly watch the ticker at the bottom of Sportscenter or check the transaction box in the newspaper to see what was going on.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 7:22:50 GMT -5
meh....
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 17, 2022 7:55:56 GMT -5
So after 8 pages what's the consensus? Is our back-up better than our starter? Inquiring minds want to know. If the line is worse than what we reasonably hope for, then Taylor has the "advantage".
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 8:04:43 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. I’m prepared. lol. Ironically, with cellar dweller competition including Carolina, Jacksonville, Seattle, Houston and Detroit the Giants may win a few. Not that i trust the QBs coming out.
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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 17, 2022 8:22:27 GMT -5
So after 8 pages what's the consensus? Is our back-up better than our starter? Inquiring minds want to know. About the same!
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2022 8:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by ratbastich on Aug 17, 2022 8:37:21 GMT -5
Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him. I'm sure that DJ and TT already know this and TT knows that he came into a situation where he is the backup.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 8:39:07 GMT -5
- it doesn't matter what TT does in games or practice. - Daboll and Schoen have a set of goals for Jones to achieve so it doesn't matter what Daboll really says at this point. - Jones will be the starter and that wont change unless he gets hurt or totally tanks
Its not a mystery
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 8:39:27 GMT -5
Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him. I'm sure that DJ and TT already know this and TT knows that he came into a situation where he is the backup. he has a year before the modern day mob starts blaming the coach.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 8:44:22 GMT -5
Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him. I'm sure that DJ and TT already know this and TT knows that he came into a situation where he is the backup. he has a year before the modern day mob starts blaming the coach. nah....Jones has no more luxuries. His situation played a part in his development for sure but Daboll has no ties to that and Daboll doesn not have to give him more than this season. Jones hasnt earned it. With that said , beyond Jones, Daboll has an entire team to get right. It may prove to be too much for him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2022 8:50:40 GMT -5
Yea actually what Daboll said and what the talking heads say are 2 different things, he made it clear that Jones is the starter and they have total confidence in him, So the heads didn't start doing this speculating what it means that Taylor got reps with the first team. He cleared that up also saying he needs to get some reps with the first team he is one play away from being in there he needs some time with them also. I don't know if Jones will be a starter in the league I do know he has all the traits to be, he is damaged from the lack of coaching / protection / play makers. even in the preseason game where Jones played nearly flawless 1 bad throw and after watching 2 KG should have had for TDs the one down the sideline was placed nicely he just seems to be stuck in the mud, ON the other hand Taylor came and was ok but put the ball in harms way several times. As Fans we have to careful what we believe from the heads because if Jones isn't the answer and it is looking that way the Giants don't have a starter on their roster right now. yeah pretty much but they want to see how TT leads the first team just in case. I think they will look at his career as a whole vs his 1st preseason game here and they also need to see more from him, hence the more first team reps. But sure it's DJ's job to lose for sure and I'm rooting for the guy. Great kid I really do hope it happens for him I'm not sure he can overcome the ball of QB confusion called the Giants, It's hard enough for these young kids when everything is good around them, hope he can adapt and overcome quickly.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 8:51:56 GMT -5
he has a year before the modern day mob starts blaming the coach. nah....Jones has no more luxuries. His situation played a part in his development for sure but Daboll has no ties to that and Daboll doesn not have to give him more than this season. Jones hasnt earned it. With that said , beyond Jones, Daboll has an entire team to get right. It may prove to be too much for him. Jones isn’t the coach.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 8:54:11 GMT -5
nah....Jones has no more luxuries. His situation played a part in his development for sure but Daboll has no ties to that and Daboll doesn not have to give him more than this season. Jones hasnt earned it. With that said , beyond Jones, Daboll has an entire team to get right. It may prove to be too much for him. Jones isn’t the coach. Really? whats your point?. I missed it for some reason
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2022 8:59:48 GMT -5
he has a year before the modern day mob starts blaming the coach. nah....Jones has no more luxuries. His situation played a part in his development for sure but Daboll has no ties to that and Daboll doesn not have to give him more than this season. Jones hasnt earned it. With that said , beyond Jones, Daboll has an entire team to get right. It may prove to be too much for him. When a franchise is in bad shape the coach should get time if he is fundamentally sound this is all training for Daboll, Schoen nor Daboll will hitch their wagons to guy they don't believe can win any longer then they have to, careers are on the line Daboll has 25 years in he is at the pinnacle and Schoen has several years in he is in the same spot, they have worked their entire lives for these opportunities. It is more than likely that if they fail they will not get another shot, me thinks they will do it their way not Mara's or anyone else when push comes to shove.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 9:01:59 GMT -5
Really? whats your point?. I missed it for some reason “Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent.
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