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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2022 9:11:16 GMT -5
Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him. I'm sure that DJ and TT already know this and TT knows that he came into a situation where he is the backup. he has a year before the modern day mob starts blaming the coach. Jones will not dictate Schoen / Dabolls, career paths. These men put countless hours and years into careers to get to the top. If Daniel Jones who I would love to see be our guys for years to come doesn't do better then he has, I mean a lot better he is more then likely gone. These guys were hired to make the tough decisions. Schoen saw the Bills go get Josh Allen and let TT walk after getting to the playoffs with him, he also saw the right way nurture and grow an inaccurate fundamentally unsound young QB and build a team that can support that QB. If and when they think Jones is not the answer that page will turn quicker than anyone thinks. QB will be at the top of our list next year in the draft.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2022 9:13:39 GMT -5
Really? whats your point?. I missed it for some reason “Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent. Thats where in the past Wellington Mara would step in and tell the players you will be gone before the coach goes he did do that for Jim Fassel years ago. That is where John Mara needs to step up and also show patience .
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
Really? whats your point?. I missed it for some reason “Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent. ah....I see. I didnt see that other quote. When a team takes a shit the HC always has a piece in it. So does the GM, players and ownership. The degree of responsibility varies.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 9:22:16 GMT -5
“Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent. ah....I see. I didnt see that other quote. When a team takes a shit the HC always has a piece in it. So does the GM, players and ownership. The degree of responsibility varies. Golladay was Judge’s fault was the cry. Flash forward, now Golladay is at fault. It’s the same player. Jones might be the same QB. If the OL doesn’t improve and Barkley doesn’t improve it’s the same team. Mob gives a rookie head coach a pass. Then swam. I honestly don’t believe they have a clue. You need players
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 9:28:21 GMT -5
ah....I see. I didnt see that other quote. When a team takes a shit the HC always has a piece in it. So does the GM, players and ownership. The degree of responsibility varies. Golladay was Judge’s fault was the cry. Flash forward, now Golladay is at fault. It’s the same player. Jones might be the same QB. If the OL doesn’t improve and Barkley doesn’t improve it’s the same team. Mob gives a rookie head coach a pass. Then swam. I honestly don’t believe they have a clue. You need players the "mob" doesn't mean squat
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 9:40:10 GMT -5
Golladay was Judge’s fault was the cry. Flash forward, now Golladay is at fault. It’s the same player. Jones might be the same QB. If the OL doesn’t improve and Barkley doesn’t improve it’s the same team. Mob gives a rookie head coach a pass. Then swam. I honestly don’t believe they have a clue. You need players the "mob" doesn't mean squat oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2022 9:53:29 GMT -5
the "mob" doesn't mean squat oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. ..the mob I thought you were referring to was the fans. I dont consider media the mob. They are unto themselves and do have a voice. You see that everyday in our world and its no secret or something that is unknown.
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Post by james57 on Aug 17, 2022 9:58:49 GMT -5
Jones is still a Gettleman pick, and so far most of DG's picks have gone away from the team in Schoen's early period with Big Blue. Was Jones a mistake? is still on the minds of every Giants fan, as well as the new leadership of this franchise as I see it. I know John Mara likes Jones, as he has said this many times already. What Jones was originally projected to become is Eli Jr., a QB trained in the Manning mould. I haven't seen it yet, but some folks say that he could be a better QB, in other words, after several seasons Daniel Jones is still a "prospect" who has "potential". Personally I cannot wait until the NY Giants are on the other side of the Daniel Jones experiment. So far it's been an intense failure that has been dragging this team down into the cellar of the NFL. Think about it, Barkley was a dumb pick by DG, Jones has been a disaster thus far, and Kenny Golladay has been a tremendous waste of money and space on the roster and salary cap, all of these things were inherited by Joe Schoen from that worthless bum Dave Gettleman. Next season I'm sure Joe Schoen will correct these problems for this wonderful franchise, in the meantime we are stuck watching Gettleman's failures for another season.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 10:01:04 GMT -5
oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. ..the mob I thought you were referring to was the fans. I dont consider media the mob. They are unto themselves and do have a voice. You see that everyday in our world and its no secret or something that is unknown. fans are part of it too. That whole Eli fiasco was led by the fans. If you believe the fans don’t have a voice which motivates behavior, i don’t know what to tell you. If that media questions Daboll and tweets out a narrative, the fans will follow. It’s been proven so often.
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Post by mendy on Aug 17, 2022 10:06:13 GMT -5
the "mob" doesn't mean squat oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. It depends on the situation. The Eli "mob" did . This is different the fans , websites and click bait pod casters are all going to have to sit back and just take it. Why, because the Giants have to break the Coaching GM merry go round and this is their chance to do that, Jones or not these guys are both here for at least 4 seasons unless they leave voluntarily but they won't be fired ,Jones or no Jones.
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Post by mendy on Aug 17, 2022 10:08:08 GMT -5
..the mob I thought you were referring to was the fans. I dont consider media the mob. They are unto themselves and do have a voice. You see that everyday in our world and its no secret or something that is unknown. fans are part of it too. That whole Eli fiasco was led by the fans. If you believe the fans don’t have a voice which motivates behavior, i don’t know what to tell you. If that media questions Daboll and tweets out a narrative, the fans will follow. It’s been proven so often. To a point , it's been proven by a small active minority that don't speak for the entire fan base although they might think they do.
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Post by southerner on Aug 17, 2022 10:24:38 GMT -5
Dabol made it clear yesterday that Tyrod would start “splitting reps with the 1st team”……this is how failing starting QBs lose their job. First, the backup gets more reps in practice, then plays more than the starter in preseason, some of it with the ones. Then the Giants lose two or three in the regular season and the switch is made…..and in this case, once that switch is made it is permanent and Jones will never see the field again barring injury to Taylor.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 17, 2022 10:28:37 GMT -5
Dabol made it clear yesterday that Tyrod would start “splitting reps with the 1st team”……this is how failing starting QBs lose their job. First, the backup gets more reps in practice, then plays more than the starter in preseason, some of it with the ones. Then the Giants lose two or three in the regular season and the switch is made…..and in this case, once that switch is made it is permanent and Jones will never see the field again barring injury to Taylor. You know that is a blatant misrepresentation so why make it? What is your payoff in telling us things you know are not accurate?
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Post by Roswell on Aug 17, 2022 10:33:21 GMT -5
the "mob" doesn't mean squat oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. Hard to imagine anyone thinks Judge got fired due to some swarming mob of fans. Judge got axed because he's not head coaching material. He was never a head coach at any level before and when mistakenly given the job based on his gift of gab and little else, he failed miserably. Fans were duped just like the owner. Myself included. We all wanted him to be the guy in the original press conference but he wasn't. He was outcoached at every turn. He's probably a very capable special teams coach. But he coaches a scared game. Glad he's gone. Daboll is not Judge. Daboll seemingly has a much better connection with the team's players and modern day football.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 17, 2022 10:37:04 GMT -5
Dabol made it clear yesterday that Tyrod would start “splitting reps with the 1st team”……this is how failing starting QBs lose their job. First, the backup gets more reps in practice, then plays more than the starter in preseason, some of it with the ones. Then the Giants lose two or three in the regular season and the switch is made…..and in this case, once that switch is made it is permanent and Jones will never see the field again barring injury to Taylor. Dream on. How bad would a HC be if he didn't give the backup QB any time with the starters in case he needs to take the field if the starter goes down? Read into it any way you want but Taylor getting time with the 1s is because he might have to sub in if Jones gets hurt. Sometimes I think you're just a bored Cowboy fan looking for some cheap thrills.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 10:58:00 GMT -5
Dabol made it clear yesterday that Tyrod would start “splitting reps with the 1st team”……this is how failing starting QBs lose their job. First, the backup gets more reps in practice, then plays more than the starter in preseason, some of it with the ones. Then the Giants lose two or three in the regular season and the switch is made…..and in this case, once that switch is made it is permanent and Jones will never see the field again barring injury to Taylor. You know that is a blatant misrepresentation so why make it? What is your payoff in telling us things you know are not accurate? Attention and he gets plenty of it out here..
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Post by McCherry on Aug 17, 2022 10:59:44 GMT -5
oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. Hard to imagine anyone thinks Judge got fired due to some swarming mob of fans. Judge got axed because he's not head coaching material. He was never a head coach at any level before and when mistakenly given the job based on his gift of gab and little else, he failed miserably. Fans were duped just like the owner. Myself included. We all wanted him to be the guy in the original press conference but he wasn't. He was outcoached at every turn. He's probably a very capable special teams coach. But he coaches a scared game. Glad he's gone. Daboll is not Judge. Daboll seemingly has a much better connection with the team's players and modern day football. Well said. Even after a 6-10 season that included a 1-7 start and a 3 game loss in December, fans were all in on Judge. Daboll will get a pass at least for this year. If wins 7-8 games he'll be an instant legend. But like Judge, it will blow up in his face if the team doesn't improve.
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Post by southerner on Aug 17, 2022 11:09:41 GMT -5
Dabol made it clear yesterday that Tyrod would start “splitting reps with the 1st team”……this is how failing starting QBs lose their job. First, the backup gets more reps in practice, then plays more than the starter in preseason, some of it with the ones. Then the Giants lose two or three in the regular season and the switch is made…..and in this case, once that switch is made it is permanent and Jones will never see the field again barring injury to Taylor. You know that is a blatant misrepresentation so why make it? What is your payoff in telling us things you know are not accurate? No payoff at all for me, but Tyrod immediately makes the Giants a better offense. Schoen will then have get working with the scouts to find which QB to draft in 2023, and where in the draft order the Giants need to be to get the QB desired.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 17, 2022 11:17:37 GMT -5
You know that is a blatant misrepresentation so why make it? What is your payoff in telling us things you know are not accurate? No payoff at all for me, but Tyrod immediately makes the Giants a better offense. Schoen will then have get working with the scouts to find which QB to draft in 2023, and where in the draft order the Giants need to be to get the QB desired. You very clearly misrepresented what Dabol said. He was asked a question by the media about reps. He made it very clear that if (not when) Tyrod got any first team reps it would be as a surprise with no notice to recreate a backup game situation. He said it absolutely would be no reflection of DJ. He made it clear he has faith in DJ. Dabol definitely did not say they would be splitting first team reps as you implied.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 11:17:38 GMT -5
oh yes they do. They flood the market with a narrative which has wings. From websites, to radio to the local and national stage. From sports through politics they are significant. To dismiss it is lol. Hard to imagine anyone thinks Judge got fired due to some swarming mob of fans. Judge got axed because he's not head coaching material. He was never a head coach at any level before and when mistakenly given the job based on his gift of gab and little else, he failed miserably. Fans were duped just like the owner. Myself included. We all wanted him to be the guy in the original press conference but he wasn't. He was outcoached at every turn. He's probably a very capable special teams coach. But he coaches a scared game. Glad he's gone. Daboll is not Judge. Daboll seemingly has a much better connection with the team's players and modern day football. can't come to grips with "he coaches a scared game" from a fan who made that claim when Jake Fromm was at QB along with a college roster.
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Post by southerner on Aug 17, 2022 11:22:57 GMT -5
Jones is still a Gettleman pick, and so far most of DG's picks have gone away from the team in Schoen's early period with Big Blue. Was Jones a mistake? is still on the minds of every Giants fan, as well as the new leadership of this franchise as I see it. I know John Mara likes Jones, as he has said this many times already. What Jones was originally projected to become is Eli Jr., a QB trained in the Manning mould. I haven't seen it yet, but some folks say that he could be a better QB, in other words, after several seasons Daniel Jones is still a "prospect" who has "potential". Personally I cannot wait until the NY Giants are on the other side of the Daniel Jones experiment. So far it's been an intense failure that has been dragging this team down into the cellar of the NFL. Think about it, Barkley was a dumb pick by DG, Jones has been a disaster thus far, and Kenny Golladay has been a tremendous waste of money and space on the roster and salary cap, all of these things were inherited by Joe Schoen from that worthless bum Dave Gettleman. Next season I'm sure Joe Schoen will correct these problems for this wonderful franchise, in the meantime we are stuck watching Gettleman's failures for another season. You are right and after this year, there will a flushing of most of Gettleman’s picks including Saquon, DJ, Golladay, Shepard, and probably some others. These players cost far too much for a team that has had the worst offense in the NFL for the last 3 years.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 17, 2022 11:24:46 GMT -5
Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him. I'm sure that DJ and TT already know this and TT knows that he came into a situation where he is the backup. It seems reasonable to get Taylor some reps and familiarity with the presumed offensive starters, in case of a Jones injury in the regular season. It also makes sense to get Jones some reps and familiarity with the presumed backups, in case of injuries to the offensive starters or surprise promotions / demotions.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 11:28:33 GMT -5
“Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent. Wrong. An overdrafted mediocre QB that the previous and failed regime obtained is being forced upon Daboll, Schoen and their philosophy. Realistic fans understand this is probably going to be a mulligan year. Let’s see what they can do with their guys. Namely the most important position. Judge wasn't here when Jones was drafted. He inherited him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
I'm surprised all the back ups don't get time with the 1st team at some point in training. Everyone has a chance to get injured so why not have some familiarity with everyone..
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 11:34:51 GMT -5
I'm surprised all the back ups don't get time with the 1st team at some point in training. Everyone has a chance to get injured so why not have some familiarity with everyone.. at the rate Jones gets hurt i agree. A Tom Brady can say it's my job and i take all the snaps. Not here.
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Post by jaymas on Aug 17, 2022 11:36:15 GMT -5
“Unlike other coaches with their coach speak, I actually believe him” is what rat posted and i responded too. You chimed in. Daboll has a year. Win or the mob will swarm. Not that they have a clue but they’ll whine about play calling, lost the team, players quit on him and any ridiculous theory they can invent. Wrong. An overdrafted mediocre QB that the previous and failed regime obtained is being forced upon Daboll, Schoen and their philosophy. Realistic fans understand this is probably going to be a mulligan year. Let’s see what they can do with their guys. Namely the most important position. He is not being forced on the new regime. They have changed everything, every major FO position is not the same person it was, and the only holdovers from the old coaching staff are Henderson and TMac (both of which are considered good coaches). If the new regime didn't want to see what DJ's got for a year, he wouldn't be the QB right now. There would be no reason for him to be. I think the deck is very stacked against him as far as somehow surviving beyond this year...but it's super clear that Schoen and Daboll think there's value in rolling with him this year.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 17, 2022 11:37:06 GMT -5
Hard to imagine anyone thinks Judge got fired due to some swarming mob of fans. Judge got axed because he's not head coaching material. He was never a head coach at any level before and when mistakenly given the job based on his gift of gab and little else, he failed miserably. Fans were duped just like the owner. Myself included. We all wanted him to be the guy in the original press conference but he wasn't. He was outcoached at every turn. He's probably a very capable special teams coach. But he coaches a scared game. Glad he's gone. Daboll is not Judge. Daboll seemingly has a much better connection with the team's players and modern day football. can't come to grips with "he coaches a scared game" from a fan who made that claim when Jake Fromm was at QB along with a college roster. I don't care if I'm the QB, running 3 sneaks from your own 4 sends a horrible message to the team.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 17, 2022 11:40:33 GMT -5
I'm surprised all the back ups don't get time with the 1st team at some point in training. Everyone has a chance to get injured so why not have some familiarity with everyone.. Probably on competitive teams with established coaches, schemes, and starters, that would be the norm. We also see how starters on those type teams don't get much playing time in the preseason, if the coach feels everything is set and they are executing well in practice. Funny how we get a preseason game against the Bengals, just when they finally get to that point.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 17, 2022 11:43:37 GMT -5
can't come to grips with "he coaches a scared game" from a fan who made that claim when Jake Fromm was at QB along with a college roster. I don't care if I'm the QB, running 3 sneaks from your own 4 sends a horrible message to the team. had he attempted a pass and got sacked for a safety you would blame him too. The roster was incompetent. No different than the previous regimes rosters. The only thing modern day are fans ignoring the roster and making claims that better play calling would have made a difference. Without talent, nothing works. That's why there is so much turnover.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 17, 2022 11:47:01 GMT -5
My thread got deleted lol or merged huh................................ lmao
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