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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2023 18:38:21 GMT -5
Washington was rankled 10th Dallas was ranked 11th Eagles were ranked 15th Colts were ranked 8th Bears were ranked 2nd Packers were ranked 21st Jaguars were ranked 18th Titans were ranked 31st Vikings were ranked 32nd Texans were ranked 30th Ravens were ranked 26th Panthers were ranked 22nd seahawks were ranked 28th Lions were ranked 20th With an average of 18 Defensive rankling (17 games) Within the statistical mean of 16 + or - 2 Exactly where it should be (parody) As I said it averages out, What stats are you looking at? There is a huge difference between whatever you’re looking at vs these. Eagles 15th?! Odd though, Vikings and Cows are close. Washingtons seems off though. www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2022/reg/all
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2023 18:51:55 GMT -5
So here’s the ESPN defensive stats related specifically to passing and Eagles are #1. I’m honestly too lazy to look up the metrics or what have you but I find it much more likely the Eagles were closer to being #1 against the pass vs 15th. It also has Washington 4th and cowboys 8th but according to some on here strength of schedule is irrelevant and doesn’t exist so if Dallas, Wash and Philthy dropped to the bottom 10 in pass defense this year and we still lost those games, it would be the same as losing those games as when they were in the top 10 www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/asc
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2023 19:03:40 GMT -5
Except for individual Giants performances, one should block-out yesterday's game, and consider it as a non-game.
As the contest played the day before saw the Gaints first team offense destroy the Lions first-team defense.
That's the only meaningful takeaway from this week.
To think the Giants OL provided good pass protection then and won't during the season is pure folly until an opponent proves otherwise..
Yesterday, we witnessed the Giants defensive backs make more good defensive plays than they did the entire last season.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 12, 2023 19:05:50 GMT -5
So far so good for our Center for the next decade I've been saying he's going to be an upgrade from week 1. . You followed him in college?
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Post by jb456 on Aug 12, 2023 19:10:03 GMT -5
So here’s the ESPN defensive stats related specifically to passing and Eagles are #1. I’m honestly too lazy to look up the metrics or what have you but I find it much more likely the Eagles were closer to being #1 against the pass vs 15th. It also has Washington 4th and cowboys 8th but according to some on here strength of schedule is irrelevant and doesn’t exist so if Dallas, Wash and Philthy dropped to the bottom 10 in pass defense this year and we still lost those games, it would be the same as losing those games as when they were in the top 10 www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/asc. I’m trying to understand how the Eagles were average in pass defense with a dline that had 70 freaking sacks and great cornerbacks. I’m going to have to side with ESPN on this since number 1 is probably closer than number 15.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 12, 2023 19:24:15 GMT -5
I don’t see Ezeudu winning that spot to start the season If it weren't the Cowboys week 1, I might have to disagree.. But it's clear the Giants are giving Ezeudu every opportunity to put Glow on the bench. Looking at the last couple weeks of camp, they like the combo of Bredeson/Ezeudu at G. Having a veteran at RG will help Neal too I think … don’t think that Ezeudu will start there Week 1, but wouldn’t be surprised if a change is made mid-season
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Aug 12, 2023 20:16:00 GMT -5
Just watched the first half and was watching Ezeudu specifically on every play because one or two posters were trashing him. I really didnt see anything that bad at all. One blown pass pro for sure but other than that I am not seeing what was so terrible. Am I missing something? A little more on Ezeudu here starting at 8:30 mark He's just really bad IMO. I feel like his only asset is he is fast at pulling, but he's generally a weak run blocker (no strength) and terrible pass blocker. Bredeson will probably win the LG spot and Glowinski the RG spot to start the season, though Bredeson too had a rough game.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 12, 2023 20:25:35 GMT -5
Just watched the first half and was watching Ezeudu specifically on every play because one or two posters were trashing him. I really didnt see anything that bad at all. One blown pass pro for sure but other than that I am not seeing what was so terrible. Am I missing something? A little more on Ezeudu here starting at 8:30 mark He's just really bad IMO. I feel like his only asset is he is fast at pulling, but he's generally a weak run blocker (no strength) and terrible pass blocker. Bredeson will probably win the LG spot and Glowinski the RG spot to start the season, though Bredeson too had a rough game. I thought that they played Bredeson at right guard last night and Ezeudu at left guard. I like Bredeson better at left guard.
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2023 21:04:28 GMT -5
Last year stats are irrelevant to this season. This season's passing stats should be off the charts the Giants combine an innovative and proven offensive scheme with an an accurate QB and good receivers.
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2023 21:09:13 GMT -5
Believe really good receivers Will fair better against Banks than Hawkins. But let's see.
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 12, 2023 21:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2023 22:05:38 GMT -5
The more I think about yesterday's game one cannot but conclude it should not have been played As most starters never took the field.
Pre-season games sre just to make money on fans who are desperate to see their team play after a long lay-off. .
It was embarrassing to see Daboll put on the field players who are not at a pro level. He's forced not to play starters as he concerned about injuries. What we saw yesterday was a total farce. Cheapened the game. Typical NFL.
Hope I can restrain myself to watching only the first half on this Friday's pre-season game.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2023 22:56:26 GMT -5
If it weren't the Cowboys week 1, I might have to disagree.. But it's clear the Giants are giving Ezeudu every opportunity to put Glow on the bench. Looking at the last couple weeks of camp, they like the combo of Bredeson/Ezeudu at G. Having a veteran at RG will help Neal too I think … don’t think that Ezeudu will start there Week 1, but wouldn’t be surprised if a change is made mid-season Agreed. The lineup they were testing recently had Bredeson at RG, Ezeudu at LG. I think that will depend mostly on Ezeudu down the final stretch of camp. I don’t see that Ezeudu is ready yet, but Daboll has shown he’s not afraid to go with inexperience.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 2:16:33 GMT -5
Just watched the first half and was watching Ezeudu specifically on every play because one or two posters were trashing him. I really didnt see anything that bad at all. One blown pass pro for sure but other than that I am not seeing what was so terrible. Am I missing something? A little more on Ezeudu here starting at 8:30 mark He's just really bad IMO. I feel like his only asset is he is fast at pulling, but he's generally a weak run blocker (no strength) and terrible pass blocker. Bredeson will probably win the LG spot and Glowinski the RG spot to start the season, though Bredeson too had a rough game. yep....I listen to that and I get his game isnt great bit I also dont see it as trash.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 13, 2023 6:25:29 GMT -5
A little more on Ezeudu here starting at 8:30 mark He's just really bad IMO. I feel like his only asset is he is fast at pulling, but he's generally a weak run blocker (no strength) and terrible pass blocker. Bredeson will probably win the LG spot and Glowinski the RG spot to start the season, though Bredeson too had a rough game. yep....I listen to that and I get his game isnt great bit I also dont see it as trash. Didn’t read the entire thread, you talking about Jones here? Lol, sadly, I’m only half joking. I know you're a little more glass half full guy when it comes to Jones but you also expect him to progress significantly which really isn’t that far off from what I think. Just f’in with ya Game but I really shouldn’t even say that aymore. Like you, I should just let it ride and hope for a similar but subdued reaction from what I would give, lol.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 7:31:16 GMT -5
yep....I listen to that and I get his game isnt great bit I also dont see it as trash. Didn’t read the entire thread, you talking about Jones here? Lol, sadly, I’m only half joking. I know you're a little more glass half full guy when it comes to Jones but you also expect him to progress significantly which really isn’t that far off from what I think. Just f’in with ya Game but I really shouldn’t even say that aymore. Like you, I should just let it ride and hope for a similar but subdued reaction from what I would give, lol. yeah...lol going to bumpy ride to 10-7 or 11-6....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 8:21:38 GMT -5
A little more on Ezeudu here starting at 8:30 mark He's just really bad IMO. I feel like his only asset is he is fast at pulling, but he's generally a weak run blocker (no strength) and terrible pass blocker. Bredeson will probably win the LG spot and Glowinski the RG spot to start the season, though Bredeson too had a rough game. yep....I listen to that and I get his game isnt great bit I also dont see it as trash. Bredeson at this point probably is the second best OL out there he had one bad rep that I saw. Ezuedo's time is now if he can't unseat Glowinski by years end he will more than likely be drafted over and develop as a back up Guard. By years end Evan Neal might be our second best OL with JMS and Bredeson in the running think things could be better but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. We have to remember the Giants over achieved last year took some big steps in learning how to win yet all the holes that were there last year have not been filled some have some haven't ,Schoen and Company still have work to do.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 8:25:58 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I'm very happy with what our rookies did the other night na have high hopes for all of them but on opening day these kids will be seeing shit they have never seen before and speed to match. It won't be backups and #2s anymore especially JMS Banks and Hawkins if is still and option outside by the time game 1 roles around.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 8:30:05 GMT -5
If it weren't the Cowboys week 1, I might have to disagree.. But it's clear the Giants are giving Ezeudu every opportunity to put Glow on the bench. Looking at the last couple weeks of camp, they like the combo of Bredeson/Ezeudu at G. Having a veteran at RG will help Neal too I think … don’t think that Ezeudu will start there Week 1, but wouldn’t be surprised if a change is made mid-season You might be right there he has more work to do he is not technically sound just yet he has improved but he needs consistency and more polish. I do think this is his time sometime during this season, otherwise he might get drafted over in the next draft cycle and be relegated as a backup.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 8:40:42 GMT -5
yep....I listen to that and I get his game isnt great bit I also dont see it as trash. Bredeson at this point probably is the second best OL out there he had one bad rep that I saw. Ezuedo's time is now if he can't unseat Glowinski by years end he will more than likely be drafted over and develop as a back up Guard. By years end Evan Neal might be our second best OL with JMS and Bredeson in the running think things could be better but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. We have to remember the Giants over achieved last year took some big steps in learning how to win yet all the holes that were there last year have not been filled some have some haven't ,Schoen and Company still have work to do. we have all seen, with young OLinemen, they can get good quickly...if they ever do. If they don't then they usually never do. The NYGs need that from several players . Bredeson is on the cusp of being a JAG but, Eze and the other young guys may bloom. Every team look for this to happen every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't really follow other teams OLs too much but its my bet most teams OLs are just average overall. I also bet most OCs have to find ways game in and game out to scheme around the a given OLs deficiencies. The NYGs dont need a great OL they need a decent one. I feel they will get that.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 8:51:21 GMT -5
Bredeson at this point probably is the second best OL out there he had one bad rep that I saw. Ezuedo's time is now if he can't unseat Glowinski by years end he will more than likely be drafted over and develop as a back up Guard. By years end Evan Neal might be our second best OL with JMS and Bredeson in the running think things could be better but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. We have to remember the Giants over achieved last year took some big steps in learning how to win yet all the holes that were there last year have not been filled some have some haven't ,Schoen and Company still have work to do. we have all seen, with young OLinemen, they can get good quickly...if they ever do. If they don't then they usually never do. The NYGs need that from several players . Bredeson is on the cusp of being a JAG but, Eze and the other young guys may bloom. Every team look for this to happen every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't really follow other teams OLs too much but its my bet most teams OLs are just average overall. I also bet most OCs have to find ways game in and game out to scheme around the a given OLs deficiencies. The NYGs dont need a great OL they need a decent one. I feel they will get that. I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 8:56:39 GMT -5
we have all seen, with young OLinemen, they can get good quickly...if they ever do. If they don't then they usually never do. The NYGs need that from several players . Bredeson is on the cusp of being a JAG but, Eze and the other young guys may bloom. Every team look for this to happen every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't really follow other teams OLs too much but its my bet most teams OLs are just average overall. I also bet most OCs have to find ways game in and game out to scheme around the a given OLs deficiencies. The NYGs dont need a great OL they need a decent one. I feel they will get that. I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly.why that hasnt been corrected already is concerning but thats Johnson's job and Eze needs to learn now.
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Post by miggs on Aug 13, 2023 8:58:15 GMT -5
we have all seen, with young OLinemen, they can get good quickly...if they ever do. If they don't then they usually never do. The NYGs need that from several players . Bredeson is on the cusp of being a JAG but, Eze and the other young guys may bloom. Every team look for this to happen every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't really follow other teams OLs too much but its my bet most teams OLs are just average overall. I also bet most OCs have to find ways game in and game out to scheme around the a given OLs deficiencies. The NYGs dont need a great OL they need a decent one. I feel they will get that. I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly. Do think Daboll wants to see Ezeudu perform well before starting him. I doubt that will happen.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 8:59:38 GMT -5
The PFF grades are in over on BBV pretty much what you would think for the most part.
Think as far as the OL goes they had some backups mixed in with the starters and a rookie center running it so some confusion was and should expected going forward JMS graded great in PBLK not so hot in the RBLK.
Think as far as run blocking goes he will need to really adjust to the power and speed It's tougher to get to these guys on reach blocks and angles than in college.
I have 0 doubt he can hold it down it might take a little time as far as run blocking, also when the bullets are live the games up front will be more complex Wink can help with that during the week by dialing up some head spinning shit.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 9:01:23 GMT -5
I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly. Do think Daboll wants to see Ezeudu perform well before starting him. I doubt that will happen. "performing well" and being the best option is what a HC has to deal with. Not every OL can be great. They just have ti be decent. Daboll will put out the best options he can.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 9:02:29 GMT -5
I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly.why that hasnt been corrected already is concerning but thats Johnson's job and Eze needs to learn now. I think those are thing that guys need to dig indeed during the off season there just isn't time in camp or enough live work at least that what I read. The difference between getting better and staying the same is what happens between the time that they leave in February and come back in March.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 9:04:34 GMT -5
I think they will to where I differ is Bredeson when healthy was good for them above average last year health is his issue. I think the target for replacement is Glowinski, they seem to like Ezuedo's athleticism and looks like that want that next to Thomas if which is a big if he develops they could be a pretty nice combo of athleticism and power on the left side EZ has bad hand placement but does have heavy hands when he lands them correctly. Do think Daboll wants to see Ezeudu perform well before starting him. I doubt that will happen. We will see maybe during camp with his line mates and coach he can take the next step.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2023 9:04:38 GMT -5
The PFF grades are in over on BBV pretty much what you would think for the most part. Think as far as the OL goes they had some backups mixed in with the starters and a rookie center running it so some confusion was and should expected going forward JMS graded great in PBLK not so hot in the RBLK. Think as far as run blocking goes he will need to really adjust to the power and speed It's tougher to get to these guys on reach blocks and angles than in college. I have 0 doubt he can hold it down it might take a little time as far as run blocking, also when the bullets are live the games up front will be more complex Wink can help with that during the week by dialing up some head spinning shit. If/when the OL gels it will be by games 4 to 6. I dont take any grades that seriously at this point. With OL its all about consistency with technique to get things going. For the most part they all have the strength and size.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2023 9:06:51 GMT -5
The PFF grades are in over on BBV pretty much what you would think for the most part. Think as far as the OL goes they had some backups mixed in with the starters and a rookie center running it so some confusion was and should expected going forward JMS graded great in PBLK not so hot in the RBLK. Think as far as run blocking goes he will need to really adjust to the power and speed It's tougher to get to these guys on reach blocks and angles than in college. I have 0 doubt he can hold it down it might take a little time as far as run blocking, also when the bullets are live the games up front will be more complex Wink can help with that during the week by dialing up some head spinning shit. If/when the OL gels it will be by games 4 to 6. I dont take any grades that seriously at this point. With OL its all about consistency with technique to get things going. For the most part they all have the strength and size. Do thye have the bend that is required Flowers is an example of looking the part but not having that most important ingredient also the attitude to work around your decencies .
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Post by McCherry on Aug 13, 2023 9:56:52 GMT -5
I've been saying he's going to be an upgrade from week 1. . You followed him in college? I don't watch any college football, but I studied JMS closely when his name first popped up as a prospect and potential pick for the Giants.
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