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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:02:10 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... Hope your dad heals well and quickly.
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Post by TEM on Nov 19, 2023 19:02:44 GMT -5
When you pick guys like Daniel Jones that’s why Gettelman was fired. This team has a lot of needs the most difficult position to draft is QB. People act like Tom Brady’s are easy to find. This team sucks especially the offense we have maybe 9 players I’d keep from the whole team. That means 83% is trash can water. Not really. But selecting #1 or #2 doesn't guarantee you anything. There are more JaMarcus Russell and Rick Mirer types than fans want to believe.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:04:25 GMT -5
Not really. But selecting #1 or #2 doesn't guarantee you anything. There are more JaMarcus Russell and Rick Mirer types than fans want to believe. Trevor Lawrence is in 1st place. Zach Wilson was just pulled
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:04:48 GMT -5
Jets beating the Raiders cost them Trevor Lawrence so the Jets got this guy And by getting Wilson they also got Sauce, Garrett and Hall. If we're playing the "what if" game.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:05:59 GMT -5
Jets beating the Raiders cost them Trevor Lawrence so the Jets got this guy And by getting Wilson they also got Sauce, Garrett and Hall. If we're playing the "what if" game. Are they winning more than the Jaguars? Nope
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 19:06:40 GMT -5
THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. So your saying you wished the Giants would lose. Well just cheer for the Commanders next time, they have a message board, and leave this board for Giants fans. I get it, a win affects a potential pick in the draft but what fan watches to see them lose. If your goal is for them to tank in mid November so they MIGHT get the next Tom Brady, well that is very sad. You could of just said "Great job but it will cost us on the draft" but you just persist and make fans upset when we win. You claim to be this competitive person but as a "fan" the Giants should lose because YOU FEEL it is the best for the team. Maybe leave the winning and losing up to the team and not bash the fans for feeling good for a win. Not every 1st round draft pick is a win. I never really post on here but your constant whining is annoying. As someone who has been a season ticket holder since the 80's and dumped a ton of money into this team I think I have the right to call this BS out. Get over it, it's a game and I think there are those that know more than you or I about the future of the Giants and what happens in their locker room. Is that where you hang out, the Commanders message board? With all of your 34 posts, I personally want to thank you for your contributions and invaluable input. Why in the hell would I want them to tank for the next Tom Brady who was taken in the 6th round? That makes aero sense but thanks for trying. I don’t give a shit who I make upset, sorry if your feelings are so fragile. This is a public message board and we all give our opinions whether they make people upset or not. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you shouldn’t be on a message board at all because obviously you’re not familiar with how they work. There are quite a few people who I normally agree with on multiple different subjects but not this one, I’m quite sure they’re not losing sleep over my opinion. Who did I bash besides the one person who told anyone who disagreed with his opinion to **** off? How come you’re not calling him out for attacking people and making them upset? I’ll tell you why, because clearly you’re a hypocrite and can’t handle someone having a different opinion than your own. You do realize all most of us do is argue. There are people here that couldn’t stand the DJ pick but that doesn’t mean they didn’t want him to do well, there are people that couldn’t stand DG and wanted him fired, there are people that think having a higher pick is more important than a meaningless moral victory. Get over yourself. BTW, I love how you said “your goal is for them to tank in mid November”. Lololol…you do realize this isn’t September and we’re not making the playoffs even if we win out, right? “Mid November” with two prior wins under our belt and setting franchise records for some of the worst football ever. 😂 Season ticket holder since the 80’s. I love how some of you lizards act like that puts you on a pedestal and makes your opinion more important than anyone else’s. I don’t give a shit if you’re John Mara, you can call out my “BS” anytime you want, that’s your right, have it but don’t expect me to sit here and respect your opinion when you come across as a dick, which I’m sure you are. What goes on in the locker room has nothing to do with anything I said. I’ve also admitted more than once in this exact thread that I don’t know much although I do know a #1-2 oveall pick has a better chance at grabbing a QB they want or trading back for multiple picks then a #10 pick. Figure that out for yourself, I don’t feel like explaining something a 5 year old can understand. And since you’re obviously reading impaired, I said I don’t think any player or coach should or would tank on purpose and neither would I if I’m on any team but as a fan, I want what’s best for the future of the Giants and in my opinion (which I clearly explained multiple times) they would be better off with a top 2-3 pick than a couple meaningless wins. Sorry you’ve been paying lots of money to watch this team suck for so long and you’re so desperate for a win to justify your tickets that you can’t see the bigger picture. Are you sure your initials aren’t DG?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:07:04 GMT -5
And by getting Wilson they also got Sauce, Garrett and Hall. If we're playing the "what if" game. Are they winning more than the Jaguars? Nope If Aaron Rodgers doesn't blow out his Achilles tendon 4 plays into the season... yes. Again, if we're playing the "what if" game.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:08:54 GMT -5
Are they winning more than the Jaguars? Nope If Aaron Rodgers doesn't blow out his Achilles tendon 4 plays into the season... yes. Again, if we're playing the "what if" game. BS - they had Trevor Lawrence and won a meaningless game vs the Raiders. Lawrence was a stud and the Jets have not recovered from that mess. They got an old Rodgers and even if he was healthy the clock is ticking. Not to mention his playoff performance drop off.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:14:56 GMT -5
If Aaron Rodgers doesn't blow out his Achilles tendon 4 plays into the season... yes. Again, if we're playing the "what if" game. BS - they had Trevor Lawrence and won a meaningless game vs the Raiders. Lawrence was a stud and the Jets have not recovered from that mess. They got an old Rodgers and even if he was healthy the clock is ticking. Not to mention his playoff performance drop off. It's just as easy to say if the jets drafted Lawrence they don't build a team around him. Lawrence "gets Carr'd" and the team does "everything to screw this kid up" and he ends up sucking. Again, the "what if" game is endless.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:20:33 GMT -5
BS - they had Trevor Lawrence and won a meaningless game vs the Raiders. Lawrence was a stud and the Jets have not recovered from that mess. They got an old Rodgers and even if he was healthy the clock is ticking. Not to mention his playoff performance drop off. It's just as easy to say if the jets drafted Lawrence they don't build a team around him. Lawrence "gets Carr'd" and the team does "everything to screw this kid up" and he ends up sucking. Again, the "what if" game is endless. lol, some of you guys hide behind such bs theories. Maybe you don’t watch College ball or are too insecure to call yourselves out, Lawrence was awesome coming out of college and that Jet win over the Raiders was a disaster. If you want to cherry pick living in the abyss of “what if” and then take a strong stand when it’s convenient you’re not going to be taken seriously. You might have company though.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:21:57 GMT -5
It's just as easy to say if the jets drafted Lawrence they don't build a team around him. Lawrence "gets Carr'd" and the team does "everything to screw this kid up" and he ends up sucking. Again, the "what if" game is endless. lol, some of you guys hide behind such bs theories. Maybe you don’t watch College ball or are too insecure to call yourselves out, Lawrence was awesome coming out of college and that Jet win over the Raiders was a disaster. If you want to cherry pick living in the abyss of “what if” and then take a strong stand when it’s convenient you’re not going to be taken seriously. You might have company though. yeah we know, what if the Giants draft the next Tom Brady in Round 6 🙄 I'm sure the Bills wish they tanked harder so they could have drafted Darnold instead of settling for the project Allen.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:23:36 GMT -5
lol, some of you guys hide behind such bs theories. Maybe you don’t watch College ball or are too insecure to call yourselves out, Lawrence was awesome coming out of college and that Jet win over the Raiders was a disaster. If you want to cherry pick living in the abyss of “what if” and then take a strong stand when it’s convenient you’re not going to be taken seriously. You might have company though. yeah we know, what if the Giants draft the next Tom Brady in Round 6 🙄 I'm sure the Bills wish they tanked harder so they could have drafted Darnold instead of settling for the project Allen. One has nothing to do with the other. Jets drafted the wrong person as did the Giants while the Jets . . . nevermind, you obviously never heard of Lawrence
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:25:02 GMT -5
I'm sure the Bills wish they tanked harder so they could have drafted Darnold instead of settling for the project Allen. One has nothing to do with the other. Jets drafted the wrong person as did the Giants. But the Bills would have put themselves in a better position to draft a "generational" QB like Mayfield or Darnold. And not have to settle for Allen. That's the premise of what you're discussing in this thread.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 19:26:31 GMT -5
The Giants are #5 in the draft order right now they have 3 or 4 winnable games on the schedule it is possible they pick outside of the top 10 and possible they pick inside top 5.
Think we should just relax and enjoy whats left of this miserable season and wry about the draft when it's all said and done.
A lot of people including myself have been worried about draft position if they want a certain QB they might have to pay up in draft capital maybe not lets see what happens here.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:27:11 GMT -5
One has nothing to do with the other. Jets drafted the wrong person as did the Giants. But the Bills would have put themselves in a better position to draft a "generational" QB like Mayfield or Darnold. And not have to settle for Allen. That's the premise of what you're discussing in this thread. They drafted who fell to them. What does that have to do with the Jets who lost Lawrence??? Nothing
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 19:27:58 GMT -5
lol, some of you guys hide behind such bs theories. Maybe you don’t watch College ball or are too insecure to call yourselves out, Lawrence was awesome coming out of college and that Jet win over the Raiders was a disaster. If you want to cherry pick living in the abyss of “what if” and then take a strong stand when it’s convenient you’re not going to be taken seriously. You might have company though. yeah we know, what if the Giants draft the next Tom Brady in Round 6 🙄 I'm sure the Bills wish they tanked harder so they could have drafted Darnold instead of settling for the project Allen. Exactly you never know they did have to trade up twice to get their project think it was well worth it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:28:08 GMT -5
The Giants are #5 in the draft order right now they have 3 or 4 winnable games on the schedule it is possible they pick outside of the top 10 and possible they pick inside top 5. Think we should just relax and enjoy whats left of this miserable season and wry about the draft when it's all said and done. A lot of people including myself have been worried about draft position if they want a certain QB they might have to pay up in draft capital maybe not lets see what happens here. the same preaching bs and “the draft is a cr@p shoot” will be thrilled until they either leave the board or change their name again
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 19:28:44 GMT -5
Doubtful but it could happen, CeeDee Lamb sure didn’t have any problems and I think MHJ will be all that and some, could be wrong though. Yeah but CeeDee Lamb is in our division. A lot different than the Bears, Cardinals or Pats selecting Harrison Jr. Correct, which is why I said doubtful. I don’t think he’ll make it past 5-6 but I don’t even want him in the NFC, lol.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:32:09 GMT -5
But the Bills would have put themselves in a better position to draft a "generational" QB like Mayfield or Darnold. And not have to settle for Allen. That's the premise of what you're discussing in this thread. They drafted who fell to them. What does that have to do with the Jets who lost Lawrence??? Nothing Because the Bills won games they "should have lost instead" during the regular season. Right? That's the premise of your argument in this thread.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 19:32:49 GMT -5
But the Bills would have put themselves in a better position to draft a "generational" QB like Mayfield or Darnold. And not have to settle for Allen. That's the premise of what you're discussing in this thread. They drafted who fell to them. What does that have to do with the Jets who lost Lawrence??? Nothing Not really they were a playoff team the year before with Tyrod they had to trade their way to Allen. It is true there are 5 maybe even 6 QBs in this class that might have first round grades or high second round grades. Giants might not get 1 of the top 2 but they might get one just as good in their draft slot
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:34:30 GMT -5
They drafted who fell to them. What does that have to do with the Jets who lost Lawrence??? Nothing Because the Bills won games they "should have lost instead" during the regular season. Right? That's the premise of your argument in this thread. yeah, you’re killing it in this thread.
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Post by nyg2 on Nov 19, 2023 19:34:40 GMT -5
Well it looks like we will all be cheering for the Rams this afternoon. The Rams just won 17-16. Giving them now 4 wins this season.
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Post by njbigblue on Nov 19, 2023 19:37:06 GMT -5
So your saying you wished the Giants would lose. Well just cheer for the Commanders next time, they have a message board, and leave this board for Giants fans. I get it, a win affects a potential pick in the draft but what fan watches to see them lose. If your goal is for them to tank in mid November so they MIGHT get the next Tom Brady, well that is very sad. You could of just said "Great job but it will cost us on the draft" but you just persist and make fans upset when we win. You claim to be this competitive person but as a "fan" the Giants should lose because YOU FEEL it is the best for the team. Maybe leave the winning and losing up to the team and not bash the fans for feeling good for a win. Not every 1st round draft pick is a win. I never really post on here but your constant whining is annoying. As someone who has been a season ticket holder since the 80's and dumped a ton of money into this team I think I have the right to call this BS out. Get over it, it's a game and I think there are those that know more than you or I about the future of the Giants and what happens in their locker room. Is that where you hang out, the Commanders message board? With all of your 34 posts, I personally want to thank you for your contributions and invaluable input. Why in the hell would I want them to tank for the next Tom Brady who was taken in the 6th round? That makes aero sense but thanks for trying. I don’t give a shit who I make upset, sorry if your feelings are so fragile. This is a public message board and we all give our opinions whether they make people upset or not. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you shouldn’t be on a message board at all because obviously you’re not familiar with how they work. There are quite a few people who I normally agree with on multiple different subjects but not this one, I’m quite sure they’re not losing sleep over my opinion. Who did I bash besides the one person who told anyone who disagreed with his opinion to **** off? How come you’re not calling him out for attacking people and making them upset? I’ll tell you why, because clearly you’re a hypocrite and can’t handle someone having a different opinion than your own. You do realize all most of us do is argue. There are people here that couldn’t stand the DJ pick but that doesn’t mean they didn’t want him to do well, there are people that couldn’t stand DG and wanted him fired, there are people that think having a higher pick is more important than a meaningless moral victory. Get over yourself. BTW, I love how you said “your goal is for them to tank in mid November”. Lololol…you do realize this isn’t September and we’re not making the playoffs even if we win out, right? “Mid November” with two prior wins under our belt and setting franchise records for some of the worst football ever. 😂 Season ticket holder since the 80’s. I love how some of you lizards act like that puts you on a pedestal and makes your opinion more important than anyone else’s. I don’t give a shit if you’re John Mara, you can call out my “BS” anytime you want, that’s your right, have it but don’t expect me to sit here and respect your opinion when you come across as a dick, which I’m sure you are. What goes on in the locker room has nothing to do with anything I said. I’ve also admitted more than once in this exact thread that I don’t know much although I do know a #1-2 oveall pick has a better chance at grabbing a QB they want or trading back for multiple picks then a #10 pick. Figure that out for yourself, I don’t feel like explaining something a 5 year old can understand. And since you’re obviously reading impaired, I said I don’t think any player or coach should or would tank on purpose and neither would I if I’m on any team but as a fan, I want what’s best for the future of the Giants and in my opinion (which I clearly explained multiple times) they would be better off with a top 2-3 pick than a couple meaningless wins. Sorry you’ve been paying lots of money to watch this team suck for so long and you’re so desperate for a win to justify your tickets that you can’t see the bigger picture. Are you sure your initials aren’t DG? Ahh another internet tough guy. Your constant crying and hating is why I felt compelled to post, and yes I the fact I only have a handful of times should tell you why. If you want to call me a dick for responding to your post, go for it. Just shows why people call you out, great job.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:37:21 GMT -5
They drafted who fell to them. What does that have to do with the Jets who lost Lawrence??? Nothing Not really they were a playoff team the year before with Tyrod they had to trade their way to Allen. It is true there are 5 maybe even 6 QBs in this class that might have first round grades or high second round grades. Giants might not get 1 of the top 2 but they might get one just as good in their draft slot but the Bills had to trade up for him. The Giants are a disaster and we hope they take the franchise QB without having to trade up or miss out on and settle for who falls to them.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:37:50 GMT -5
Well it looks like we will all be cheering for the Rams this afternoon. The Rams just won 17-16. Giving them now 4 wins this season. that’s nice 👍 helps the Giants in Round 2 too 👍
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:40:25 GMT -5
Because the Bills won games they "should have lost instead" during the regular season. Right? That's the premise of your argument in this thread. yeah, you’re killing it in this thread. You're blatantly ignoring the obvious counters to your "shoulda" argument. Show some dignity and just walk away.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:41:46 GMT -5
yeah, you’re killing it in this thread. You're blatantly ignoring the obvious counters to your "shoulda" argument. Show some dignity and just walk away. hope is not a strategy just as “what if” is a cop-out.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 19:48:25 GMT -5
You're blatantly ignoring the obvious counters to your "shoulda" argument. Show some dignity and just walk away. hope is not a strategy just as “what if” is a cop-out. Says the one saying, "the Giants should lose instead of winning, so they draft higher and hope the QB draftee works out." Impressive.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 19:49:52 GMT -5
Is that where you hang out, the Commanders message board? With all of your 34 posts, I personally want to thank you for your contributions and invaluable input. Why in the hell would I want them to tank for the next Tom Brady who was taken in the 6th round? That makes aero sense but thanks for trying. I don’t give a shit who I make upset, sorry if your feelings are so fragile. This is a public message board and we all give our opinions whether they make people upset or not. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you shouldn’t be on a message board at all because obviously you’re not familiar with how they work. There are quite a few people who I normally agree with on multiple different subjects but not this one, I’m quite sure they’re not losing sleep over my opinion. Who did I bash besides the one person who told anyone who disagreed with his opinion to **** off? How come you’re not calling him out for attacking people and making them upset? I’ll tell you why, because clearly you’re a hypocrite and can’t handle someone having a different opinion than your own. You do realize all most of us do is argue. There are people here that couldn’t stand the DJ pick but that doesn’t mean they didn’t want him to do well, there are people that couldn’t stand DG and wanted him fired, there are people that think having a higher pick is more important than a meaningless moral victory. Get over yourself. BTW, I love how you said “your goal is for them to tank in mid November”. Lololol…you do realize this isn’t September and we’re not making the playoffs even if we win out, right? “Mid November” with two prior wins under our belt and setting franchise records for some of the worst football ever. 😂 Season ticket holder since the 80’s. I love how some of you lizards act like that puts you on a pedestal and makes your opinion more important than anyone else’s. I don’t give a shit if you’re John Mara, you can call out my “BS” anytime you want, that’s your right, have it but don’t expect me to sit here and respect your opinion when you come across as a dick, which I’m sure you are. What goes on in the locker room has nothing to do with anything I said. I’ve also admitted more than once in this exact thread that I don’t know much although I do know a #1-2 oveall pick has a better chance at grabbing a QB they want or trading back for multiple picks then a #10 pick. Figure that out for yourself, I don’t feel like explaining something a 5 year old can understand. And since you’re obviously reading impaired, I said I don’t think any player or coach should or would tank on purpose and neither would I if I’m on any team but as a fan, I want what’s best for the future of the Giants and in my opinion (which I clearly explained multiple times) they would be better off with a top 2-3 pick than a couple meaningless wins. Sorry you’ve been paying lots of money to watch this team suck for so long and you’re so desperate for a win to justify your tickets that you can’t see the bigger picture. Are you sure your initials aren’t DG? Ahh another internet tough guy. Your constant crying and hating is why I felt compelled to post, and yes I the fact I only have a handful of times should tell you why. If you want to call me a dick for responding to your post, go for it. Just shows why people call you out, great job. Call me out for what? You mean people disagreeing with my opinion? In case you haven’t noticed, which you haven’t, we all “call each other out” every day. Most of us rarely agree on every aspect related to the Giants but obviously you have it all figured out because you’ve been a season ticket holder since the 80’s. That makes you such a better fan than everyone else, I’m glad you shared that with us because it’s so relevant to the thread. Crying? Lol, do you read all my posts or just this one because if you consider most of my posts “crying” then I’d be curious what you call 90% of the other posts on this site this year. You do realize the Giants suck, right? There have been very few positive posts all season because there’s not much to be positive about. And I really never hated anyone, DG was close due to his arrogance and demeaning attitude and Toney was a POS from day one so please enlighten me who else I’ve “constantly” hated?
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 19:55:43 GMT -5
hope is not a strategy just as “what if” is a cop-out. Says the one saying, "the Giants should lose instead of winning, so they draft higher and hope the QB draftee works out." Impressive. killing it tonight. Didn’t know who Lawrence was and playing the “what if” card as if the Bills didn’t trade up for their QB and now flying blind into a debate about the April draft. Meanwhile, Wilson was just benched and became a Jet for the very reasons discussed and you’re still playing “what if” Nice, maybe DeVito is the future QB for the Giants over the next decade.
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