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Post by moecoastie on Nov 19, 2023 20:11:38 GMT -5
Even as a child I would hope other team's lose to propel the Giants into a position the team could capitalize on and make a run at the playoffs.
That's how I fan.
I will never and have never been a fan of tanking.
I'm happy the NYG won today and showed some traits that hopefully transition into an identity.
This isn't madden where you can simulate multiple seasons in a matter of minutes to collect high draft picks. Time is too precious to waste purposely losing.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 20:12:53 GMT -5
Says the one saying, "the Giants should lose instead of winning, so they draft higher and hope the QB draftee works out." Impressive. killing it tonight. Didn’t know who Lawrence was and playing the “what if” card as if the Bills didn’t trade up for their QB and now flying blind into a debate about the April draft. Meanwhile, Wilson was just benched and became a Jet for the very reasons discussed and you’re still playing “what if” Nice, maybe DeVito is the future QB for the Giants over the next decade.Like I said, you should have just walked away with a shred of dignity. Instead you chose this desperate garbage.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 20:17:25 GMT -5
killing it tonight. Didn’t know who Lawrence was and playing the “what if” card as if the Bills didn’t trade up for their QB and now flying blind into a debate about the April draft. Meanwhile, Wilson was just benched and became a Jet for the very reasons discussed and you’re still playing “what if” Nice, maybe DeVito is the future QB for the Giants over the next decade.Like I said, you should have just walked away with a shred of dignity. Instead you chose this desperate garbage. playing your “what if “card which is your perception of dignity. Maybe you can start watching college ball before confusing players years from now followed by playing your stance less “what if” card.
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Post by njbigblue on Nov 19, 2023 20:25:43 GMT -5
Ahh another internet tough guy. Your constant crying and hating is why I felt compelled to post, and yes I the fact I only have a handful of times should tell you why. If you want to call me a dick for responding to your post, go for it. Just shows why people call you out, great job. Call me out for what? You mean people disagreeing with my opinion? In case you haven’t noticed, which you haven’t, we all “call each other out” every day. Most of us rarely agree on every aspect related to the Giants but obviously you have it all figured out because you’ve been a season ticket holder since the 80’s. That makes you such a better fan than everyone else, I’m glad you shared that with us because it’s so relevant to the thread. Crying? Lol, do you read all my posts or just this one because if you consider most of my posts “crying” then I’d be curious what you call 90% of the other posts on this site this year. You do realize the Giants suck, right? There have been very few positive posts all season because there’s not much to be positive about. And I really never hated anyone, DG was close due to his arrogance and demeaning attitude and Toney was a POS from day one so please enlighten me who else I’ve “constantly” hated? And I also called you out, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion. Apparently I must have struck a nerve. I'm sorry for your loss against the Giants tonight. I'm sure the Giants will lose some more games for you. Maybe you can insult more Giants fans next week. Your the man, no one knows better than you. Shame, thought we rooted for the same team....
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 20:26:41 GMT -5
Even as a child I would hope other team's lose to propel the Giants into a position the team could capitalize on and make a run at the playoffs. That's how I fan. I will never and have never been a fan of tanking. I'm happy the NYG won today and showed some traits that hopefully transition into an identity. This isn't madden where you can simulate multiple seasons in a matter of minutes to collect high draft picks. Time is too precious to waste purposely losing. You do realize that I would never want the coaches or players to lose on purpose or not give it their all in every game, right? And as far as “hoping” they lose, I understand where you guys are coming from and I respect your opinions (most who aren’t dicks), I just don’t agree with it. I know there’s no guarantee they get the right QB with the #1 overall pick or #30th overall pick, or maybe they do get the best QB with the 30th overall, I just want them to have the best chance at drafting whoever they want (unless it’s Maye, lol), especially if they were willing to give up draft picks to move up. I would also prefer the high pick because if they thought the QB they liked would be there a few picks later, maybe they could get an opportunity to haul a bunch of future picks and get their QB. Anyways, you guys have heard my opinion enough, we’ll just wait and see how it all plays out.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 20:32:56 GMT -5
Call me out for what? You mean people disagreeing with my opinion? In case you haven’t noticed, which you haven’t, we all “call each other out” every day. Most of us rarely agree on every aspect related to the Giants but obviously you have it all figured out because you’ve been a season ticket holder since the 80’s. That makes you such a better fan than everyone else, I’m glad you shared that with us because it’s so relevant to the thread. Crying? Lol, do you read all my posts or just this one because if you consider most of my posts “crying” then I’d be curious what you call 90% of the other posts on this site this year. You do realize the Giants suck, right? There have been very few positive posts all season because there’s not much to be positive about. And I really never hated anyone, DG was close due to his arrogance and demeaning attitude and Toney was a POS from day one so please enlighten me who else I’ve “constantly” hated? And I also called you out, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion. Apparently I must have struck a nerve. I'm sorry for your loss against the Giants tonight. I'm sure the Giants will lose some more games for you. Maybe you can insult more Giants fans next week. Your the man, no one knows better than you. Shame, thought we rooted for the same team.... Ok, I don’t know what in the hell your senile brain is blathering about so you just keeping hoping for the meaningless wins and I’ll keep hoping for more draft picks or Schoen being able to get whichever QB he wants, even if that means losing every game for the rest of the season. At least we can agree on one thing, I’m also sure the Giants will lose some more games but I doubt they’ll do it for me. *and the only people I insult are people who attack me first or Miggs or Southerner who neither are Giants fans
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 20:45:20 GMT -5
And I also called you out, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion. Apparently I must have struck a nerve. I'm sorry for your loss against the Giants tonight. I'm sure the Giants will lose some more games for you. Maybe you can insult more Giants fans next week. Your the man, no one knows better than you. Shame, thought we rooted for the same team.... Ok, I don’t know what in the hell your senile brain is blathering about so you just keeping hoping for the meaningless wins and I’ll keep hoping for more draft picks or Schoen being able to get whichever QB he wants, even if that means losing every game for the rest of the season. At least we can agree on one thing, I’m also sure the Giants will lose some more games but I doubt they’ll do it for me. *and the only people I insult are people who attack me first or Miggs or Southerner who neither are Giants fans I think if the Giants were to have finished 2-15 the fallout of that historic ineptitude would far outweigh the extra draft slot, IMO.
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Post by Nite on Nov 19, 2023 20:50:25 GMT -5
Followed the game online while traveling was pleasantly surprised. . Always a good day when the G-men win. As for tanking thats for chumps and losers. So what if we get the no 5 pick instead of the 3 pick. Its still a good position and a wise GM can pick a solid QB at that time (Ignore what the consensus experts say they are almost always wrong) Or if the opportunity presents itself trade down (not too far) and still pick up a couple more stud OL, WR, Edge and QB (possible)
Speaking of the QB if Tommy Touchdowns continues at his blistering pace, he can secure the backup role, In the offseason we can pick up at least some depth on the OL, DL Daboll gets his QB and the clock can 'officially' begin
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 19, 2023 20:57:01 GMT -5
Even as a child I would hope other teams lose to propel the Giants into a position the team could capitalize on and make a run at the playoffs.
That's how I fan.
I will never and have never been a fan of tanking.
I'm happy the NYG won today and showed some traits that hopefully transition into an identity.
This isn't madden where you can simulate multiple seasons in a matter of minutes to collect high draft picks. Time is too precious to waste purposely losing.
I don't think you can just turn off that mentality...as a fan or player (although I'm guessing).
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 21:05:25 GMT -5
Ok, I don’t know what in the hell your senile brain is blathering about so you just keeping hoping for the meaningless wins and I’ll keep hoping for more draft picks or Schoen being able to get whichever QB he wants, even if that means losing every game for the rest of the season. At least we can agree on one thing, I’m also sure the Giants will lose some more games but I doubt they’ll do it for me. *and the only people I insult are people who attack me first or Miggs or Southerner who neither are Giants fans I think if the Giants were to have finished 2-15 the fallout of that historic ineptitude would far outweigh the extra draft slot, IMO. Depends on what you mean by fallout. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the way we won a lot of games last year covered up a lot of flaws from the GM to coaching to players, I think that playoff win may have actually hurt us more than helped us. So what I’m saying is what a lot of people have been saying for the past several weeks. This team needs a serious makeover from Schoen (not fired, but making better decisions, to the scouting department to the O line coach (need a new one) special teams coach, possibly OC, Dabs needs to work on his pre season strategy and in game decisions, the list goes on. I just hope that if we win 3-4 more games then those things don’t get over looked or not addressed. In my humble opinion, no matter how bad we do this year, I want Schoen and Dabs around another 2 years minimum. I don’t agree with everything Shoen has done, but unlike DG who was extremely stubborn and arrogant, I think Schoen is more progressive and will learn from his mistakes. Daboll has been a bit of an enigma, he’s made several baffling decisions on and off the field this year but he proved he could coach last year (even though a lot of things went our way) and I think he deserves a couple more years with a better roster and QB. This will most likely be their (Dabs and Schoens) most important draft ever, it can be a career maker or breaker if they don’t it right which is another reason I want them to have the best opportunity to get who they want. I know that sounds a little back asswards but I don’t think Mara would fire them no matter how bad they did this season.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 21:11:45 GMT -5
I think if the Giants were to have finished 2-15 the fallout of that historic ineptitude would far outweigh the extra draft slot, IMO. Depends on what you mean by fallout. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the way we won a lot of games last year covered up a lot of flaws from the GM to coaching to players, I think that playoff win may have actually hurt us more than helped us. So what I’m saying is what a lot of people have been saying for the past several weeks. This team needs a serious makeover from Schoen (not fired, but making better decisions, to the scouting department to the O line coach (need a new one) special teams coach, possibly OC, Dabs needs to work on his pre season strategy and in game decisions, the list goes on. I just hope that if we win 3-4 more games then those things don’t get over looked or not addressed. In my humble opinion, no matter how bad we do this year, I want Schoen and Dabs around another 2 years minimum. I don’t agree with everything Shoen has done, but unlike DG who was extremely stubborn and arrogant, I think Schoen is more progressive and will learn from his mistakes. Daboll has been a bit of an enigma, he’s made several baffling decisions on and off the field this year but he proved he could coach last year (even though a lot of things went our way) and I think he deserves a couple more years with a better roster and QB. This will most likely be their (Dabs and Schoens) most important draft ever, it can be a career maker or breaker if they don’t it right which is another reason I want them to have the best opportunity to get who they want. I know that sounds a little back asswards but I don’t think Mara would fire them no matter how bad they did this season. Fallout = firing of Daboll or both. Or the infighting we’ve seen in the past. Players quitting in the last couple of weeks leading to drastic reactions (eg Fassel in 2002?ish). If the Giants were to lose 9 in a row (or whatever it would have been) going 2-15… there’d be a lot more shit to contend with versus the “joy” of moving up from #4 to #3 or #2. For what it’s worth I think Schoen’s limited drafting has been very good. His free agent signings have also been good. We definitely need an overhaul of some positional coaching and Kafka needs to GTFO. But finishing 2-15 tends to go beyond that.
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Post by njbigblue on Nov 19, 2023 21:17:02 GMT -5
And I also called you out, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion. Apparently I must have struck a nerve. I'm sorry for your loss against the Giants tonight. I'm sure the Giants will lose some more games for you. Maybe you can insult more Giants fans next week. Your the man, no one knows better than you. Shame, thought we rooted for the same team.... Ok, I don’t know what in the hell your senile brain is blathering about so you just keeping hoping for the meaningless wins and I’ll keep hoping for more draft picks or Schoen being able to get whichever QB he wants, even if that means losing every game for the rest of the season. At least we can agree on one thing, I’m also sure the Giants will lose some more games but I doubt they’ll do it for me. *and the only people I insult are people who attack me first or Miggs or Southerner who neither are Giants fans Would be nice if you could just keep it civil and not continue with the insults (senile) but I'll continue to root for Giants wins. I get what you're looking for, hell I'd love to get some great draft picks too, but I can't wish for losses. BTW, my post was not an attack but an opinion, we'll see how the rest of the season pans out.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 21:48:03 GMT -5
Depends on what you mean by fallout. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the way we won a lot of games last year covered up a lot of flaws from the GM to coaching to players, I think that playoff win may have actually hurt us more than helped us. So what I’m saying is what a lot of people have been saying for the past several weeks. This team needs a serious makeover from Schoen (not fired, but making better decisions, to the scouting department to the O line coach (need a new one) special teams coach, possibly OC, Dabs needs to work on his pre season strategy and in game decisions, the list goes on. I just hope that if we win 3-4 more games then those things don’t get over looked or not addressed. In my humble opinion, no matter how bad we do this year, I want Schoen and Dabs around another 2 years minimum. I don’t agree with everything Shoen has done, but unlike DG who was extremely stubborn and arrogant, I think Schoen is more progressive and will learn from his mistakes. Daboll has been a bit of an enigma, he’s made several baffling decisions on and off the field this year but he proved he could coach last year (even though a lot of things went our way) and I think he deserves a couple more years with a better roster and QB. This will most likely be their (Dabs and Schoens) most important draft ever, it can be a career maker or breaker if they don’t it right which is another reason I want them to have the best opportunity to get who they want. I know that sounds a little back asswards but I don’t think Mara would fire them no matter how bad they did this season. Fallout = firing of Daboll or both. Or the infighting we’ve seen in the past. Players quitting in the last couple of weeks leading to drastic reactions (eg Fassel in 2002?ish). If the Giants were to lose 9 in a row (or whatever it would have been) going 2-15… there’d be a lot more shit to contend with versus the “joy” of moving up from #4 to #3 or #2. For what it’s worth I think Schoen’s limited drafting has been very good. His free agent signings have also been good. We definitely need an overhaul of some positional coaching and Kafka needs to GTFO. But finishing 2-15 tends to go beyond that. That’s cool, you know I agree with most of your opinions, but I disagree with a couple things in here. Not a big deal, definitely nothing personal and whether they continue to win or not, let’s hope (or at least I just hope) they nail a franchise QB.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 21:53:24 GMT -5
Not really they were a playoff team the year before with Tyrod they had to trade their way to Allen. It is true there are 5 maybe even 6 QBs in this class that might have first round grades or high second round grades. Giants might not get 1 of the top 2 but they might get one just as good in their draft slot but the Bills had to trade up for him. The Giants are a disaster and we hope they take the franchise QB without having to trade up or miss out on and settle for who falls to them. I think we all want #1 or #2 but coaches coach for their Jobs in seasons like this and players play for pride or jobs or contracts. None of us can change any of that, this is what schoen gets paid for
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 21:57:48 GMT -5
Ok, I don’t know what in the hell your senile brain is blathering about so you just keeping hoping for the meaningless wins and I’ll keep hoping for more draft picks or Schoen being able to get whichever QB he wants, even if that means losing every game for the rest of the season. At least we can agree on one thing, I’m also sure the Giants will lose some more games but I doubt they’ll do it for me. *and the only people I insult are people who attack me first or Miggs or Southerner who neither are Giants fans Would be nice if you could just keep it civil and not continue with the insults (senile) but I'll continue to root for Giants wins. I get what you're looking for, hell I'd love to get some great draft picks too, but I can't wish for losses. BTW, my post was not an attack but an opinion, we'll see how the rest of the season pans out. That’s fine and I wish you would have said something similar to this the first time instead of accusing me of not being a fan, attacking other posters, along with constantly whining and complaining all in the same original post towards me. I get it, my opinion isn’t popular but it’s definitely not rare and there is a rational thought behind it. Anyways, let’s just let bygones be bygones and hope for a good draft and a much better season next year.
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 19, 2023 22:03:30 GMT -5
Depends on what you mean by fallout. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the way we won a lot of games last year covered up a lot of flaws from the GM to coaching to players, I think that playoff win may have actually hurt us more than helped us. So what I’m saying is what a lot of people have been saying for the past several weeks. This team needs a serious makeover from Schoen (not fired, but making better decisions, to the scouting department to the O line coach (need a new one) special teams coach, possibly OC, Dabs needs to work on his pre season strategy and in game decisions, the list goes on. I just hope that if we win 3-4 more games then those things don’t get over looked or not addressed. In my humble opinion, no matter how bad we do this year, I want Schoen and Dabs around another 2 years minimum. I don’t agree with everything Shoen has done, but unlike DG who was extremely stubborn and arrogant, I think Schoen is more progressive and will learn from his mistakes. Daboll has been a bit of an enigma, he’s made several baffling decisions on and off the field this year but he proved he could coach last year (even though a lot of things went our way) and I think he deserves a couple more years with a better roster and QB. This will most likely be their (Dabs and Schoens) most important draft ever, it can be a career maker or breaker if they don’t it right which is another reason I want them to have the best opportunity to get who they want. I know that sounds a little back asswards but I don’t think Mara would fire them no matter how bad they did this season. Fallout = firing of Daboll or both. Or the infighting we’ve seen in the past. Players quitting in the last couple of weeks leading to drastic reactions (eg Fassel in 2002?ish). If the Giants were to lose 9 in a row (or whatever it would have been) going 2-15… there’d be a lot more shit to contend with versus the “joy” of moving up from #4 to #3 or #2. For what it’s worth I think Schoen’s limited drafting has been very good. His free agent signings have also been good. We definitely need an overhaul of some positional coaching and Kafka needs to GTFO. But finishing 2-15 tends to go beyond that. IMO, you make some very interesting and valid points. Although draft position is the obvious benefit of a 2 or 3 win season. It tends to open up a bunch of other questions about more than just a QB.
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Post by njbigblue on Nov 19, 2023 22:11:37 GMT -5
Would be nice if you could just keep it civil and not continue with the insults (senile) but I'll continue to root for Giants wins. I get what you're looking for, hell I'd love to get some great draft picks too, but I can't wish for losses. BTW, my post was not an attack but an opinion, we'll see how the rest of the season pans out. That’s fine and I wish you would have said something similar to this the first time instead of accusing me of not being a fan, attacking other posters, along with constantly whining and complaining all in the same original post towards me. I get it, my opinion isn’t popular but it’s definitely not rare and there is a rational thought behind it. Anyways, let’s just let bygones be bygones and hope for a good draft and a much better season next year. Fair enough.
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Post by miggs on Nov 19, 2023 23:18:52 GMT -5
Best thing Daboll did today. Finally figured out to have run mid-range pass plays with Di Vito taking a deeper drop.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 23:25:10 GMT -5
Best thing Daboll did today. Finally figured out to have run mid-range pass plays with Di Vito taking a deeper drop. yeah, the Skins 31st ranked pass defense really forced change.
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Post by miggs on Nov 20, 2023 0:08:46 GMT -5
Best thing Daboll did today. Finally figured out to have run mid-range pass plays with Di Vito taking a deeper drop. yeah, the Skins 31st ranked pass defense really forced change. It's our bad OL that forced change. I guess you didn't see that the Commanders had 9 sacks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 20, 2023 0:23:17 GMT -5
yeah, the Skins 31st ranked pass defense really forced change. It's our bad OL that forced change. I guess you didn't see that the Commanders had 9 sacks. 😂, 6-0 in turnovers yet the Commanders still ran 23 more plays than the Giants quicker hits and having DeVito not hold onto the for so long helped b/c DeVito finally figured it out.
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Post by miggs on Nov 20, 2023 7:03:43 GMT -5
It's our bad OL that forced change. I guess you didn't see that the Commanders had 9 sacks. 😂, 6-0 in turnovers yet the Commanders still ran 23 more plays than the Giants quicker hits and having DeVito not hold onto the for so long helped b/c DeVito finally figured it out. Giants played a decent game for a change. Who cares who runs more plays when you have 6 turnovers, and move the ball. for significant yardage. Mid-range pass plays were good. Put up 31-points. DeVito gets eyes fixed on one receiver. Doesn't look at his safety valve on crossing route. Tries to run rather than throwing the ball away., Helped himself in second half by taking deeper drops.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 20, 2023 7:21:18 GMT -5
😂, 6-0 in turnovers yet the Commanders still ran 23 more plays than the Giants quicker hits and having DeVito not hold onto the for so long helped b/c DeVito finally figured it out. Giants played a decent game for a change. Who cares who runs more plays when you have 6 turnovers, and move the ball. for significant yardage. Mid-range pass plays were good. Put up 31-points. DeVito gets eyes fixed on one receiver. Doesn't look at his safety valve on crossing route. Tries to run rather than throwing the ball away., Helped himself in second half by taking deeper drops. You really don’t get it.
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Post by miggs on Nov 20, 2023 7:25:55 GMT -5
Giants played a decent game for a change. Who cares who runs more plays when you have 6 turnovers, and move the ball. for significant yardage. Mid-range pass plays were good. Put up 31-points. DeVito gets eyes fixed on one receiver. Doesn't look at his safety valve on crossing route. Tries to run rather than throwing the ball away., Helped himself in second half by taking deeper drops. You really don’t get it. Your comments are so insightful.
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Post by miggs on Nov 20, 2023 7:28:52 GMT -5
Dabol likes to run up the middle in the first half and attack the edge in the second half. Wish he would not be so predictable as Giants can't run up the middle.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 20, 2023 7:47:47 GMT -5
but the Bills had to trade up for him. The Giants are a disaster and we hope they take the franchise QB without having to trade up or miss out on and settle for who falls to them. I think we all want #1 or #2 but coaches coach for their Jobs in seasons like this and players play for pride or jobs or contracts. None of us can change any of that, this is what schoen gets paid for as Danke said above, to go 2 - 15 we'd lose our last 9 games straight, does anyone really want to see that, and the other issues that would arise from it? Losing is for losers. I hope we screw up our draft position more against NE and win that one too.
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Post by giants8493 on Nov 20, 2023 7:53:48 GMT -5
Ha!! You're supposed to type in red font or put "/s" at the end of your post to signify sarcasm Kayvon Thibodeaux is a good player and although I think his name is a little tough to spell I'm getting used to it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 20, 2023 8:59:17 GMT -5
Dabol likes to run up the middle in the first half and attack the edge in the second half. Wish he would not be so predictable as Giants can't run up the middle. Giants ran Barkley left from the 4 gap and wider all 1st half. Stats don’t lie. They never ran between the 3 gaps.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 20, 2023 8:59:44 GMT -5
Your comments are so insightful. too much to correct in your posts
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 20, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -5
I think we all want #1 or #2 but coaches coach for their Jobs in seasons like this and players play for pride or jobs or contracts. None of us can change any of that, this is what schoen gets paid for as Danke said above, to go 2 - 15 we'd lose our last 9 games straight, does anyone really want to see that, and the other issues that would arise from it? Losing is for losers. I hope we screw up our draft position more against NE and win that one too. enjoy purgatory then
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