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Post by nyg2 on Mar 15, 2024 9:11:01 GMT -5
Seems a bit strange that a team would package 2 second round picks to get the Texans first round pick if it wasn’t in an effort to trade up to take a QB, particularly since they have no idea who’s going to be there at #23.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 15, 2024 9:12:47 GMT -5
It is certainly possible. Don't sleep on the Raiders trying to do the same thing as well.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 15, 2024 9:17:27 GMT -5
Possible.
Could they also be positioning to take a second tier guy like Penix or Nix?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 15, 2024 9:17:57 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st.
But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 9:51:43 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st. But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy. The injury history for Penix is troubling and he looked to be very immobile in the games I saw him play. He also didn't display good pocket presence when he had to from what I saw. Picking Penix would reek of a desperation selection that likely will end up being a colossal disaster. I would be horrified if they picked this guy.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 15, 2024 10:05:56 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st. But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy. The injury history for Penix is troubling and he looked to be very immobile in the games I saw him play. He also didn't display good pocket presence when he had to from what I saw. Picking Penix would reek of a desperation selection that likely will end up being a colossal disaster. I would be horrified if they picked this guy. "Horrified" seems a strong word. I get his injury history but he's a heck of a player.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 15, 2024 10:09:12 GMT -5
Penix being a lefty also causes some issues given how crappy his blind side would be.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 10:11:20 GMT -5
The injury history for Penix is troubling and he looked to be very immobile in the games I saw him play. He also didn't display good pocket presence when he had to from what I saw. Picking Penix would reek of a desperation selection that likely will end up being a colossal disaster. I would be horrified if they picked this guy. "Horrified" seems a strong word. I get his injury history but he's a heck of a player. He's got a great arm and is deadly accurate but I felt his pocket presence and immobility were his worst attributes. I don't like his chances against teams with good pass rushing talent. While I was watching him play I had visions of what a pass rush like the Cowboys possess would do to him twice a year. I see him constantly getting sacked, fumbling and worst of all getting severely hurt against that type of pass rush. This is why I used the word horrified.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 15, 2024 10:15:12 GMT -5
YES
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Mar 15, 2024 10:27:15 GMT -5
I really hate the Vikings
First they set us back 2-3 years making Jones look good
Now they are gonna jump us for McCarthy when we are ready to move on from Jones
Hey Minnesota, F YOU!
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 10:39:20 GMT -5
I really hate the Vikings First they set us back 2-3 years making Jones look good Now they are gonna jump us for McCarthy when we are ready to move on from Jones Hey Minnesota, F YOU! Don't discount Houston's part in this. Exhibiting a lot of arrogance to think they are in good enough shape after 1 good year to back out of round 1 of the draft. Unless they have a plan to move back into round 1 with the gained draft capital, don't get Houston's motivation to make that trade.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2024 10:43:00 GMT -5
I think the Cards are set on Harrison. Whoever gives the Chargers the best offer gets McCarthy at 5.
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Mar 15, 2024 10:46:35 GMT -5
I really hate the Vikings First they set us back 2-3 years making Jones look good Now they are gonna jump us for McCarthy when we are ready to move on from Jones Hey Minnesota, F YOU! Don't discount Houston's part in this. Exhibiting a lot of arrogance to think they are in good enough shape after 1 good year to back out of round 1 of the draft. Unless they have a plan to move back into round 1 with the gained draft capital, don't get Houston's motivation to make that trade. A lot of teams value the cap ramifications of Round 2 picks v Round 1 picks. Also they may have grades on a # of guys at certain positions and they expect some to be there in Round 2. There is gonna be a run on QB and WRs in this draft. Houston is set at those spots. Its gonna slide guys at othet positions.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 11:20:01 GMT -5
I think the Cards are set on Harrison. Whoever gives the Chargers the best offer gets McCarthy at 5. What the trade weights show it will take to trade up from 6 to 5 vs what Minny can offer with 11 and 23 gives the Giants no shot essentially. Vikings made a very smart move. Give them credit.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 15, 2024 11:22:14 GMT -5
I think the Cards are set on Harrison. Whoever gives the Chargers the best offer gets McCarthy at 5. What the trade weights show it will take to trade up from 6 to 5 vs what Minny can offer with 11 and 23 gives the Giants no shot essentially. Vikings made a very smart move. Give them credit. Only if the Chargers are willing to move back to 11. I would like the Giants to do it so maybe that's what happens.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2024 11:25:42 GMT -5
What the trade weights show it will take to trade up from 6 to 5 vs what Minny can offer with 11 and 23 gives the Giants no shot essentially. Vikings made a very smart move. Give them credit. Only if the Chargers are willing to move back to 11. I would like the Giants to do it so maybe that's what happens. Makes more sense for them to deal with us.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 11:27:36 GMT -5
Only if the Chargers are willing to move back to 11. I would like the Giants to do it so maybe that's what happens. Makes more sense for them to deal with us. Giants would potentially lose out on all the top WR's though and potentially even Bowers at 11. I also really don't want anything to do with Penix nor Bo Nix but I'm not the GM so not a darn thing I can do about it.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 15, 2024 11:29:24 GMT -5
I'm all in on JJ, so would hate to see someone jump in front of us to get him.
Though, I have no idea what the Giants FO thinks of him, so doesn't really matter.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 15, 2024 11:39:27 GMT -5
I think it may be likely, hopefully the Chargers want a lot more then just those 2 picks though, charge them out the nose!!!
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 15, 2024 11:41:18 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st. But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy. Most gurus now wouldn’t agree with you. Patriots are probably grabbing McCarthy at #3 Vikings also like McCarthy early. Even some of my Chicago buds say McCarthy for the Bears isn’t out of the question with a trade back a few spots. Some people still pretty slow on realizing what all McCarthy brings to the table. I think his value is higher than #6 As in real estate value is what a person is willing to pay not what someone’s opinion of a value is.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2024 11:46:46 GMT -5
Makes more sense for them to deal with us. Giants would potentially lose out on all the top WR's though and potentially even Bowers at 11. I also really don't want anything to do with Penix nor Bo Nix but I'm not the GM so not a darn thing I can do about it. I was talking about the Chargers trading with us instead of Minny.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 15, 2024 11:47:55 GMT -5
I think it may be likely, hopefully the Chargers want a lot more then just those 2 picks though, charge them out the nose!!! They could give up Addison or Jefferson. That is one team that knows how to pick recievers. LAC is short on WRs right now.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 15, 2024 12:01:28 GMT -5
Giants would potentially lose out on all the top WR's though and potentially even Bowers at 11. I also really don't want anything to do with Penix nor Bo Nix but I'm not the GM so not a darn thing I can do about it. I was talking about the Chargers trading with us instead of Minny. Oh I see. Yes if the Chargers want someone who can be available for them at 5 or 6, yes that makes sense. Also everyone has to keep their spidey senses on and not get blind-spotted by Denver who may also be interested in moving up still.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 15, 2024 12:05:46 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st. But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy. But if you like McCarthy that's the price of doing business. I think he's going to be our guy. This draft is so deep at WR we could get a very good prospect in the 2nd rd.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 15, 2024 12:15:19 GMT -5
Don't discount Houston's part in this. Exhibiting a lot of arrogance to think they are in good enough shape after 1 good year to back out of round 1 of the draft. Unless they have a plan to move back into round 1 with the gained draft capital, don't get Houston's motivation to make that trade. A lot of teams value the cap ramifications of Round 2 picks v Round 1 picks. Also they may have grades on a # of guys at certain positions and they expect some to be there in Round 2. There is gonna be a run on QB and WRs in this draft. Houston is set at those spots. Its gonna slide guys at othet positions. A run on OL as well, especially OT's. This draft is so deep at QB, as far as QB's go. But WR's and OL are going throughout the 1st rd. Maybe 6-8 WR's maybe as many 10 OL in the 1st rd. As much as 6-7 OT's.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2024 12:45:00 GMT -5
Let them. That just means we have more options at WR. I think our best bet is a guy like Penix. Not that I'm advocation for that particular player. I'm hoping the FO sees something a QB who we can get in RD 2 or moving up to late in the 1st. But a QB at #6 seems a poor value if it's a guy like McCarthy. But if you like McCarthy that's the price of doing business. I think he's going to be our guy. This draft is so deep at WR we could get a very good prospect in the 2nd rd. Yep. And again, I don't think you can stay put and get McCarthy at 6. The Chargers can force a trade with us just by suggesting they're getting calls from other teams.
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Post by lt56 on Mar 15, 2024 15:55:19 GMT -5
yeah Vikings have the Capital Now for sure, 11 and 23 is more than enough to get them in the Top 5 most likely with the Chargers
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 16:09:41 GMT -5
It is certainly possible. Don't sleep on the Raiders trying to do the same thing as well. I don’t see it. the AFC West is currently Chiefs and Chargers. Why would the Chargers give the Raiders a QB when it’s a QB league and lose out on a top WR when they just traded Keenan and cut Mike Williams? I don’t see AZ passing on Harrison either.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 15, 2024 17:57:30 GMT -5
Most gurus now wouldn’t agree with you. Patriots are probably grabbing McCarthy at #3 Vikings also like McCarthy early. Even some of my Chicago buds say McCarthy for the Bears isn’t out of the question with a trade back a few spots. Some people still pretty slow on realizing what all McCarthy brings to the table. I think his value is higher than #6 As in real estate value is what a person is willing to pay not what someone’s opinion of a value is. I'll take Morehead State over those gurus any day. They are trying to get views so saying crazy things works for them. Doesn't make it real. Four QBs in the first 6 picks almost never happens and there's good reason for that.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 15, 2024 18:18:39 GMT -5
This is why “you better take a QB” is just a hot take based on 5% info.
If you want a QB (in a year like this year from #6) you’re gonna overpay. So “you better take a QB” needs to be based on thinking who you’re taking is the next Mahomes.
I’m not getting caught up in the QB fever. If JS believes in one, move heaven and earth. Bet your career. You basically are after the DJ deal.
If not, take a player you feel just as strongly about at a positionally appropriate spot.
Just make sure you’re taking a valued starter. You can’t really go wrong with that
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