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Post by inthezone on Mar 20, 2024 11:12:15 GMT -5
Thanks for summing this up but I still say I don't understand why some are so worried about Neal moving like it's going to take a few more years of hopeful and painful development. It seems that most oline players in the NFL especially on the interior play multiple positions so Diehl isn't special enough for you to point have to him out. Diehl was special because he played all positions well. He jumped in from G to LT for us without a drop in production. That is VERY hard to do. Now, the easiest transition might be LG-RG. And those Gs might be able to play C if they are smart enough and can snap a football. Not all can. Moving from G to T is very difficult as I point out there are different skillsets. Not many can do that at all. Going form OT to G might be an easier transition, especially for Neal, since he seems to already be a better G based on his skillset. There will be a learning period if they do it mid season, but doing it NOW would allow him to go all through the training and practices and preseason to adjust. Obviously no player is the same so some it would take longer than others. Every person is different yet we saw so many fans expecting a Thomas like improvement from Neal. We also see players coming out of college being required to play a different position on the oline all the time even if they played rarely played that position in college. I'm hoping Neal can prove to be an above average Guard so the sting of wasting a #6 pick on him won't be terrible but to be honest I don't see that either. Some players just can't compete at the NFL level even if they are gifted athletes and stars at the college level.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 20, 2024 11:32:46 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash..
No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 20, 2024 11:35:20 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash.. No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT He signed a 1 year deal with the Jets.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 20, 2024 11:36:24 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash.. No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT Jets signed him a few days ago
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Post by Analyst on Mar 20, 2024 12:27:59 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash.. No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT It took a while but the Jets signed him. And the reason it took a while was due to injury concerns.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 20, 2024 14:13:22 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash.. No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT It took a while but the Jets signed him. And the reason it took a while was due to injury concerns. Would you rather have an old Tyron or a young Neal? He's probably still better than Neal
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 20, 2024 14:18:18 GMT -5
Flowers had severe character flaws? Just a few. Coming out of college? I don’t remember anything like that. Not saying it’s not true but you gotta link or something?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 20, 2024 14:19:15 GMT -5
ESPN’s Jordan Raanan reports that the Giants have reached out to Neal’s teamThis cracks me up. Who the **** do these guys think they are? Highly paid professionals with agents.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 20, 2024 14:40:33 GMT -5
This cracks me up. Who the **** do these guys think they are? Highly paid professionals with agents. These kids have "teams" in high school now thanks to NIL.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 20, 2024 14:42:45 GMT -5
Diehl was special because he played all positions well. He jumped in from G to LT for us without a drop in production. That is VERY hard to do. Now, the easiest transition might be LG-RG. And those Gs might be able to play C if they are smart enough and can snap a football. Not all can. Moving from G to T is very difficult as I point out there are different skillsets. Not many can do that at all. Going form OT to G might be an easier transition, especially for Neal, since he seems to already be a better G based on his skillset. There will be a learning period if they do it mid season, but doing it NOW would allow him to go all through the training and practices and preseason to adjust. Obviously no player is the same so some it would take longer than others. Every person is different yet we saw so many fans expecting a Thomas like improvement from Neal. We also see players coming out of college being required to play a different position on the oline all the time even if they played rarely played that position in college. I'm hoping Neal can prove to be an above average Guard so the sting of wasting a #6 pick on him won't be terrible but to be honest I don't see that either. Some players just can't compete at the NFL level even if they are gifted athletes and stars at the college level. #7, but I get it lol
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 20, 2024 14:43:28 GMT -5
Highly paid professionals with agents. These kids have "teams" in high school now thanks to NIL. Probably middle school for some of the blue chips. I don’t blame the Sabans and other elite NCAA coaches in all sports to dip out and say **** it. While I agree college athletes should get paid, this whole NIL created a really ****ed up landscape IMO. Also, unrelated, the transfer portal.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 20, 2024 14:43:44 GMT -5
technically...every teams OL is trash.. No one signed Tyron Smith yet btw........How did he play last season for Dallas? The guy was an all pro OT My son said about a week ago the Jets, or Tn
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 20, 2024 14:47:32 GMT -5
It took a while but the Jets signed him. And the reason it took a while was due to injury concerns. Would you rather have an old Tyron or a young Neal? He's probably still better than Neal sad but might be true lol
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 20, 2024 17:33:08 GMT -5
Would you rather have an old Tyron or a young Neal? He's probably still better than Neal sad but might be true lol Neal has his own injury concerns...
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Post by mendy on Mar 20, 2024 17:40:38 GMT -5
Sine when do we have to "approach" a linemen about playing anything? It's a either or , either you try it or you don't play. and to add why does the team announce it?
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 20, 2024 17:43:33 GMT -5
By no means am I making excuses for Neal, but I'd like to see how he looks while playing next to an NFL caliber RG.
I agree, if he continues his downward trend, he will be playing Guard in no time, or he will be out of the league. All that being said, I think he would be an outstanding guard.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 20, 2024 17:59:01 GMT -5
Coming out of college? I don’t remember anything like that. Not saying it’s not true but you gotta link or something? There was that interview a few years back his ex-teammate at Miami who is now an analyst did on one of the Giants Podcasts. He had a laundry list of stories about Flowers. The thing I remember most was that the OC for the Hurricanes at the time was telling teams not to draft him, but the Giants never called. I can't remember the name of the ex-teammate. It was a discussion here, maybe someone else remembers.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2024 20:09:12 GMT -5
Highly paid professionals with agents. These kids have "teams" in high school now thanks to NIL. The only person that should be involved with football matters is the player. No ****ing "team".
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 20, 2024 21:29:37 GMT -5
These kids have "teams" in high school now thanks to NIL. The only person that should be involved with football matters is the player. No ****ing "team". A lot of these kids have zero business sense. And unfortunately a lot of them are not that well educated. They need agents to negotiate contracts, endorsement deals , etc. They also need PR firms to help with keeping their shit in check too.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 21, 2024 7:17:39 GMT -5
The only person that should be involved with football matters is the player. No ****ing "team". A lot of these kids have zero business sense. And unfortunately a lot of them are not that well educated. They need agents to negotiate contracts, endorsement deals , etc. They also need PR firms to help with keeping their shit in check too. Even the intelligent ones can get taken for a ride by their "team". Agents rip off players all the time in sports. Did you hear about what happened to Shohei Ohtani with his interpreter for the Dodgers? Crazy story.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 21, 2024 7:22:50 GMT -5
A lot of these kids have zero business sense. And unfortunately a lot of them are not that well educated. They need agents to negotiate contracts, endorsement deals , etc. They also need PR firms to help with keeping their shit in check too. Even the intelligent ones can get taken for a ride by their "team". Agents rip off players all the time in sports. Did you hear about what happened to Shohei Ohtani with his interpreter for the Dodgers? Crazy story. No I didn’t. Must be a good read. I’ll check it out.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 21, 2024 7:25:46 GMT -5
By no means am I making excuses for Neal, but I'd like to see how he looks while playing next to an NFL caliber RG. I agree, if he continues his downward trend, he will be playing Guard in no time, or he will be out of the league. All that being said, I think he would be an outstanding guard. Based on games played, he’s got one season of experience plus 3 games. Clearly they’re not pretending they don’t have an issue with him, but I’m not going to pretend like he’s reached his ceiling after 20 games. I’m as concerned with his inability to stay on the field. That’s a huge issue with our line. Good lines have continuity. We had some in 22’ and magically had a bit of a running game.
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Post by jimmieray on Mar 21, 2024 7:41:59 GMT -5
Sine when do we have to "approach" a linemen about playing anything? It's a either or , either you try it or you don't play. and to add why does the team announce it? Technically, they can't discuss anything football related directly to him, until camp starts. If they did, and he probably didn't receive that well, he likely has a players' union greivence.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 21, 2024 8:49:02 GMT -5
A lot of these kids have zero business sense. And unfortunately a lot of them are not that well educated. They need agents to negotiate contracts, endorsement deals , etc. They also need PR firms to help with keeping their shit in check too. Even the intelligent ones can get taken for a ride by their "team". Agents rip off players all the time in sports. Did you hear about what happened to Shohei Ohtani with his interpreter for the Dodgers? Crazy story. They were discussing that on Michael Kay show yesterday, unbelievable...
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 21, 2024 9:00:50 GMT -5
A lot of these kids have zero business sense. And unfortunately a lot of them are not that well educated. They need agents to negotiate contracts, endorsement deals , etc. They also need PR firms to help with keeping their shit in check too. Even the intelligent ones can get taken for a ride by their "team". Agents rip off players all the time in sports. Did you hear about what happened to Shohei Ohtani with his interpreter for the Dodgers? Crazy story. Just listened to it on Boomer and Gio. What a weird situation. Could be mostly benign all the way to full blown huge implications.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 21, 2024 9:04:48 GMT -5
The only issue is, Neal said he was the RT and sounded as if he was disinterested in moving. Hope that changes. He stinks his first 2 years at RT. Like he should be flippin burgers with us. It comes down to : "Do you want to be an NFL player with a career or not". His agent and confidants better tell him to do what it it takes to stay in the NFL. Stubbornness will have him on the outside looking in.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 21, 2024 9:08:43 GMT -5
Left Guard?Giants reach out to Neal about the move to LG. ESPN’s Jordan Raanan reports that the Giants have reached out to Neal’s team to discuss the possibility of him moving to guard. More specifically, to left guard alongside Andrew Thomas. Either Bricillo sees this or NYG reads this forum for ideas. He may excel at guard and I have heard the left side may suit him more naturally. Number 72 was very solid as a RT tackle under Bricillo in Vegas. Baldy just did a breakdown on him he looked really smooth out there at tackle he has learned every spot and held down LT when their starter went down so he can switch sides and play Guard. The short clip that Baldy showed was pretty good much better than what we have seen in years on the rich side.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 21, 2024 9:10:25 GMT -5
At least everyone has to admit that whether it works or not the O line is being addressed by Schoen. even DG addressed the OL. It just never worked out. The Giants have been terying to get this done for over a decade. Lack of success for sure but never really a lack of trying
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Post by GameTime on Mar 21, 2024 9:16:28 GMT -5
By no means am I making excuses for Neal, but I'd like to see how he looks while playing next to an NFL caliber RG. I agree, if he continues his downward trend, he will be playing Guard in no time, or he will be out of the league. All that being said, I think he would be an outstanding guard. I was stubborn and have been on his side but after seeing his performance he just is not getting done re"guardless"(lol)of who is next to him. HIs reaction time sucks, Whether thats from not being able to cut it as an NFL T, or thinking too much etc. Either way he needs to try a different spot to see what he can do
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 21, 2024 9:21:27 GMT -5
Of course JS is trying to fix the OL. So did Gettleman and every GM before him. Only time tells if they do it right. I would definitely move Neal to G at this point. He just isnt quick enough off the snap to stop the outside speed rushers. Hopefully putting him in a box in the middle he uses his raw strength to push the Dline. Exactly. I’m doubtful he plays better closer to the middle but we’ll see. They’re not waiting for him, that’s the point. They already anticipate he’s not going to beat out Eluemenor at RT. I’d say that’s a safe bet If he can handle the action being in his face at the snap he can be a good guard big question because it's not easy at tackle they have space to work with but also more space to protect. In side they have the action right on them but less space to protect if Neal can adjust which he does have some experience from college he might be able to swing it. Neal doesn't have the same issues as Flowers was stiff not being able to bend, flowers contrary to what people think here he was never a good guard either because he couldn't bend that why he was passed around till he was out of the NFL, Neal has a chance because he can bend he is a good athlete for his size. Lets hope he can transition if it comes to that.
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