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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 27, 2024 19:07:03 GMT -5
Besides losing Saquon I believe we are better but will it translate to game day and can guys stay healthy I don't think we are the most injured team in football just like I don't believe my Yankees are the most injured team in baseball.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 27, 2024 19:15:57 GMT -5
Besides losing Saquon I believe we are better but will it translate to game day and can guys stay healthy I don't think we are the most injured team in football just like I don't believe my Yankees are the most injured team in baseball. QB - same RB - Worse WR - Better TE - Same (maybe worse, unknown) OL - Definitely better DL - Better (replace Leo with Burns) LB - Same CB - Worse S - Worse
I think overall we are probably better. Improving at WR and OL should help us turn this O around.
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 27, 2024 19:16:44 GMT -5
Easy answer, we don't know....complicated answer is a more detailed reason of we don't know. The team looked "better" at the end of the year, and a few of those people are gone with a new DC. Hopefully the new people can ignite something.
We're back to the hope stage.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 27, 2024 19:51:46 GMT -5
Besides losing Saquon I believe we are better but will it translate to game day and can guys stay healthy I don't think we are the most injured team in football just like I don't believe my Yankees are the most injured team in baseball. QB - same RB - Worse WR - Better TE - Same (maybe worse, unknown) OL - Definitely better DL - Better (replace Leo with Burns) LB - Same CB - Worse S - Worse
I think overall we are probably better. Improving at WR and OL should help us turn this O around.
Being better than last year is quite a low Bar to overcome. Probably better. QB - same (crap) RB - Worse WR - Better TE - My guess slightly better because we got nothing from Waller. Hopefully Theo develops fast. OL - How can we not be better DL - Burns and Thibs will be a much improved pass rush, DL beside Dex is nothing but hope. Looks damn scary to me LB - Same CB - Worse / Same S - Worse / Same Potential with our 2nd rd pick. Needs experience
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 20:34:47 GMT -5
I can't say we are worse at RB. Sure Saquon was quite good, but Singletary ain't bad, and the rookie should be a nice compliment to him. The sum of the parts may very well be better.
I also think our O Line will be significantly improved, which benefits the entire offense.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 27, 2024 20:55:53 GMT -5
Easy answer, we don't know....complicated answer is a more detailed reason of we don't know. The team looked "better" at the end of the year, and a few of those people are gone with a new DC. Hopefully the new people can ignite something. We're back to the hope stage. I think we clearly upgraded at several positions. OL, WR, DE. Those right there will make a huge difference. Singletary/Barkley are comparable and I expect the running game to be more effective. I don't think there's any question we're better on both sides of the ball. It's a question of how much better. I think we replaced hope with talent and actual expectations.
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Post by miggs on Apr 27, 2024 21:52:59 GMT -5
Giants drafted one likely proven starter. That's it.
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Post by 3days on Apr 27, 2024 22:41:22 GMT -5
Easy answer, we don't know....complicated answer is a more detailed reason of we don't know. The team looked "better" at the end of the year, and a few of those people are gone with a new DC. Hopefully the new people can ignite something. We're back to the hope stage. I think we clearly upgraded at several positions. OL, WR, DE. Those right there will make a huge difference. Singletary/Barkley are comparable and I expect the running game to be more effective. I don't think there's any question we're better on both sides of the ball. It's a question of how much better. I think we replaced hope with talent and actual expectations. I am worried about our DBs. Otherwise I think we are better.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 27, 2024 22:44:41 GMT -5
a healthy Jones = better yet still 3rd or 4th in division I’m thinking
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 28, 2024 0:22:17 GMT -5
pieces wise, Yes.......
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 28, 2024 0:24:08 GMT -5
Besides losing Saquon I believe we are better but will it translate to game day and can guys stay healthy I don't think we are the most injured team in football just like I don't believe my Yankees are the most injured team in baseball. QB - same RB - Worse WR - Better TE - Same (maybe worse, unknown) OL - Definitely better DL - Better (replace Leo with Burns) LB - Same CB - Worse S - Worse
I think overall we are probably better. Improving at WR and OL should help us turn this O around.
o i'd say unknown for cb and safety who knows maybe those rooks give us the same production.......
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Post by miggs on Apr 28, 2024 2:56:23 GMT -5
The fact that one has to pose the topic as a question, shows there's some doubt as to whether the team has improved the roster. The losses of Barkley and McKinney, as well as possibly Waller hurts. Both McKinney and Waller should be the two biggest losses.
A healthy Jones, a slightly Improved OL as well as adding both Burns and Nabers will improve the roster.
The roster remains thin and unforeseen injuries will be factors as to how well the Giants will fair.
Open unanswered questions as to whether HC Daboll will implement a more open and better offense that utilizes the whole field, and seeing if the new DC is better than Wink are also important unknown factors. Need to see how the Giants fair on critical third down plays.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Apr 28, 2024 4:09:58 GMT -5
Giants drafted one likely proven starter. That's it. Nubin will get busy.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 28, 2024 5:14:16 GMT -5
Besides losing Saquon I believe we are better but will it translate to game day and can guys stay healthy I don't think we are the most injured team in football just like I don't believe my Yankees are the most injured team in baseball. QB - same RB - Worse WR - Better TE - Same (maybe worse, unknown) OL - Definitely better DL - Better (replace Leo with Burns) LB - Same CB - Worse S - Worse
I think overall we are probably better. Improving at WR and OL should help us turn this O around.
I hope you’re right about the Oline being better. I guess you’re banking on Runyon being a big answer along with the Raider they brought in. Here’s my question to you because something doesn’t add up. The Packers, who won with this Oline down the stretch, and even blew out Dallas and their D, chose to let him go and chose to allocate much more money to a lower priority position by bringing in the Giants’ McKinney. Essentially the ledger reads Runyon and 7m cap space for McKinney. If Runyon is a real good player, why would the Pack do this deal? McKinney wasn’t a pro bowler. I’m pretty shellshocked from Giant Oline moves and performance over the last 12 years so I question whether they are “definitely better.”
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 28, 2024 6:10:07 GMT -5
Giants drafted one likely proven starter. That's it. Nubin will get busy. Nabors and Nubin will both start, and Phillips, Johnson, and Tracy will all see a lot of playing time. Mausau will probably do most of his work on STs.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2024 6:33:39 GMT -5
who knows
they suck until they dont.
we are back to that
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2024 6:37:46 GMT -5
The fact that one has to pose the topic as a question, shows there's some doubt as to whether the team has improved the roster. The losses of Barkley and McKinney, as well as possibly Waller hurts. Both McKinney and Waller should be the two biggest losses. A healthy Jones, a slightly Improved OL as well as adding both Burns and Nabers will improve the roster. The roster remains thin and unforeseen injuries will be factors as to how well the Giants will fair. Open unanswered questions as to whether HC Daboll will implement a more open and better offense that utilizes the whole field, and seeing if the new DC is better than Wink are also important unknown factors. Need to see how the Giants fair on critical third down plays. lol...how does losing Waller hurt at all?
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Post by mendy on Apr 28, 2024 6:51:57 GMT -5
QB - same RB - Worse WR - Better TE - Same (maybe worse, unknown) OL - Definitely better DL - Better (replace Leo with Burns) LB - Same CB - Worse S - Worse
I think overall we are probably better. Improving at WR and OL should help us turn this O around.
I hope you’re right about the Oline being better. I guess you’re banking on Runyon being a big answer along with the Raider they brought in. Here’s my question to you because something doesn’t add up. The Packers, who won with this Oline down the stretch, and even blew out Dallas and their D, chose to let him go and chose to allocate much more money to a lower priority position by bringing in the Giants’ McKinney. Essentially the ledger reads Runyon and 7m cap space for McKinney. If Runyon is a real good player, why would the Pack do this deal? McKinney wasn’t a pro bowler. I’m pretty shellshocked from Giant Oline moves and performance over the last 12 years so I question whether they are “definitely better.” I get the question but the same can be asked about the Giants and McKenny or Barkley. Remember Runyon didn't have to sign with NY he could have waited it out or sign somewhere else, in the end none of us knows I just hope it works out.
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Post by mendy on Apr 28, 2024 6:54:51 GMT -5
The fact that one has to pose the topic as a question, shows there's some doubt as to whether the team has improved the roster. The losses of Barkley and McKinney, as well as possibly Waller hurts. Both McKinney and Waller should be the two biggest losses. A healthy Jones, a slightly Improved OL as well as adding both Burns and Nabers will improve the roster. The roster remains thin and unforeseen injuries will be factors as to how well the Giants will fair. Open unanswered questions as to whether HC Daboll will implement a more open and better offense that utilizes the whole field, and seeing if the new DC is better than Wink are also important unknown factors. Need to see how the Giants fair on critical third down plays. lol...how does losing Waller hurt at all? Yeah other then CAP it's not a loss.
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Post by TEM on Apr 28, 2024 7:11:33 GMT -5
I am not convinced we are a better team. I have a wait and see approach
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Post by mendy on Apr 28, 2024 7:20:08 GMT -5
I am not convinced we are a better team. I have a wait and see approach I agree, let's see how this group jells together. On paper I think we got better by subtraction(players and Coaches) but whether we are a better team needs to be seen.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 28, 2024 7:32:49 GMT -5
Who knows. I don’t think we will stink it up as bad as last season but we don’t have a QB that’s taking us anywhere.
I like what Nabers offers but we’ll see.
Nubin should help
Tracy is a play maker .
I’m not familiar with Phillips so 🤷♂️
Johnson has been underwhelming since he left high school.
Mausau will be a special teams guy but maybe even a starter. He could be one of our best 3 picks.
We passed on so many good players after round 1. The dynamic duo of Joe and Brian could be looking for new jobs after next season if DJ continues to be a detriment to our offense.
I’ll hope for the best but with this draft we “could” actually be worse next season when all the dust settles. I’m not saying we will be worse but this draft doesn’t give me a whole lot of hope we will be much better.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2024 7:37:11 GMT -5
Being better than last year is quite a low Bar to overcome. Probably better. QB - same (crap) RB - Worse WR - Better TE - My guess slightly better because we got nothing from Waller. Hopefully Theo develops fast. OL - How can we not be better DL - Burns and Thibs will be a much improved pass rush, DL beside Dex is nothing but hope. Looks damn scary to me LB - Same CB - Worse / Same S - Worse / Same Potential with our 2nd rd pick. Needs experience I'm counting Burns/Thibs as part of the DL. That's their role no matter what we list them as.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2024 7:41:45 GMT -5
I am not convinced we are a better team. I have a wait and see approach no other way to go about it at this point.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2024 7:42:56 GMT -5
o i'd say unknown for cb and safety who knows maybe those rooks give us the same production....... I really hope you're right but McKinney had the production of a top 5 S in the league. As of this moment replacing him with a rookie makes us worse.
Adoree going into last year was a quality vet CB that had given up only about 51% completion rate the previous two seasons. Bottom line was he was absolutely capable of starting at CB. We have no clue this year who the #2 is. I will say though that Banks is so good we could be the same as last year with a bunch of unknowns.
I do like our rookie picks though.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 28, 2024 7:52:35 GMT -5
Being better than last year is quite a low Bar to overcome. Probably better. QB - same (crap) RB - Worse WR - Better TE - My guess slightly better because we got nothing from Waller. Hopefully Theo develops fast. OL - How can we not be better DL - Burns and Thibs will be a much improved pass rush, DL beside Dex is nothing but hope. Looks damn scary to me LB - Same CB - Worse / Same S - Worse / Same Potential with our 2nd rd pick. Needs experience I'm counting Burns/Thibs as part of the DL. That's their role no matter what we list them as. There is a delineation between the front 7 and the actually dline but I get it. It would probably be better if you split it out bt DT, edges and linebacker. You would see our DTs are 1 guys and a bunch of Jags. Hopefully we can stop the runs up the middle but the edges seem locked up. I pretty sure the new DC has a plan.
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Post by te88 on Apr 28, 2024 8:02:10 GMT -5
Quite a bit better on paper.
Nabers and Burns are major and significant additions.
Barkley isn’t going to be the “loss” some think.
The OL has had significant additions.
Picks Nubin and Phillips should mitigate losses in the secondary.
Shane Bowen is a major improvement at DC.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 8:18:15 GMT -5
Shane Bowen is a major improvement at DC. over Wink already?
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 28, 2024 8:31:36 GMT -5
We lost all star caliber players in McKinney and Williams and replaced them with rookies. I’m excited for Nabers but I want to see how he is with balls thrown low towards his feet.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 28, 2024 8:42:10 GMT -5
We are, if the o line has average health this season. I don’t think the defence will be better (lost more pieces, new system) but the offence can be much better if Jones can stay out of his own way, which feels like a low probability. It’s been so long since we had an average o line it’s hard to forecast how this offence will function if it’s a “middle of the pack” line.
If we’re playing 3 of 5 backups (or worse) for a significant part of the season, we’re cooked. In fact we’ll be worse than last year.
Dabs is gonna have to be a very different coach this year. I don’t know if he can.
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