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Post by mendy on May 27, 2024 12:12:01 GMT -5
yup that said Brady led a one of highest scoring offenses in NFL history the defenses victory was holding him to under 17 points the hits and pressure rattled him he was on the side line saying it's like throwing through the forrest. Same happened the second time around 2nd play tuck pressures him and he start the game with an intensional grounding the pressure got him and that was just 1 game be it a huge one for an undefeated championship season. Credit to brady 0 excuses and all respect to the giants and there players class act. Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know.
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Post by bluebuddha on May 27, 2024 13:21:51 GMT -5
Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. Don't really remeber Montanna but injuries like that during the game are hard to come back from .Brady had the defenses number in the 4th quarter both times but Eli was clutch and bailed the D out with his own 4th quarter comeback. I understand you need to keep coming up with excuses for DJ in his 6th year because you truly believe in him. Hard for QBs to just breakout thier 6th year . They are who they are at this point no matter how much help you give the. Dj is just not a franchise QB he is a borderline game manager. He can't handle or overcome any adversity with his arm. He can't elevate anyone. Even as atlethic as he is he gets sacked. He just doesn't read the defense. He has been that way since Duke. He just has no natural QB instincts.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 14:00:41 GMT -5
yup that said Brady led a one of highest scoring offenses in NFL history the defenses victory was holding him to under 17 points the hits and pressure rattled him he was on the side line saying it's like throwing through the forrest. Same happened the second time around 2nd play tuck pressures him and he start the game with an intensional grounding the pressure got him and that was just 1 game be it a huge one for an undefeated championship season. Credit to brady 0 excuses and all respect to the giants and there players class act. Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . I saw so far 2 of the best not be able to figure it out in some big games and for Patrick Mahomes thing 2020 was the year he struggled big time the first half of that year while his OL was transitioning. The Giants with judge as the head coach would have beaten him if it ween't for X giving them a cheap 1st down at the end of the game he had almost as many picks as TDs. Once the OL got it down he and the them turned it around but he stunk while getting hit and sacked week in and week out they don't always figure it out and if it keeps happening week in and out it screws there clock up.
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Post by mendy on May 27, 2024 14:02:17 GMT -5
Ahhh here we go . It must suck to know you know jack shit about football. No one is making excuse's for Jones but you know that already. You make a statement that not only is it bullshitt but any real Giant fans knows it's simply not true. The Giants wrecked Brady and pounded him in both super bowls as for Montana ask him who Leonard Marshal or Jim Burt are? Then tell me your QB BS, bluebuddha said quote "Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are".
Jones sacked 17 times in 7 days...that's no excuse that's a FACT. We lost 3 QB's FACT, we lost 4 kickers FACT. we never had the same O line line up till the last 5 games of the season FACT, the Defense was ranked 25th FACT.
Fact , the Giants have to play better, all of them .
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 27, 2024 14:16:44 GMT -5
Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. JFC Between the two of them they have 14 Super Bowl appearances and 11 Super Bowl wins. Great example Mendy/Miggs.
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 27, 2024 14:17:45 GMT -5
That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. Don't really remeber Montanna but injuries like that during the game are hard to come back from .Brady had the defenses number in the 4th quarter both times but Eli was clutch and bailed the D out with his own 4th quarter comeback. I understand you need to keep coming up with excuses for DJ in his 6th year because you truly believe in him. Hard for QBs to just breakout thier 6th year . They are who they are at this point no matter how much help you give the. Dj is just not a franchise QB he is a borderline game manager. He can't handle or overcome any adversity with his arm. He can't elevate anyone. Even as atlethic as he is he gets sacked. He just doesn't read the defense. He has been that way since Duke. He just has no natural QB instincts. I think it's a little more than just "belief." It's obsession and emotional attachment.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 14:24:47 GMT -5
That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. Don't really remeber Montanna but injuries like that during the game are hard to come back from .Brady had the defenses number in the 4th quarter both times but Eli was clutch and bailed the D out with his own 4th quarter comeback. I understand you need to keep coming up with excuses for DJ in his 6th year because you truly believe in him. Hard for QBs to just breakout thier 6th year . They are who they are at this point no matter how much help you give the. Dj is just not a franchise QB he is a borderline game manager. He can't handle or overcome any adversity with his arm. He can't elevate anyone. Even as atlethic as he is he gets sacked. He just doesn't read the defense. He has been that way since Duke. He just has no natural QB instincts. This is not really about DJ maybe for Mendy it is but the point is no QB is immune to pressure and hits more so when it is on going week in and week out some of the best couldn't handle it for 1 game others a few games. DJ is going into year 6 think his ship has sailed a lot of that is on the Giants.
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 27, 2024 14:26:28 GMT -5
Ahhh here we go . It must suck to know you know jack shit about football. Coming from you? You're the most incompetent poster here when it comes to trying to talk football. Everyone tools on you. That's all you do on a daily basis, JFC So you take one game and two hits and try to umbrella that over an entire NFL history. See point #1 above: You're the most incompetent poster here when it comes to trying to talk football. It's a fact that you constantly use as an excuse. You suck at English just as much as football. And the two back ups did more than Jones. False. We had three kickers total on the year. Do you even watch Giants games? Seems like you only watch Jones highlights.
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Post by vinnie on May 27, 2024 14:33:55 GMT -5
Not just you Dog but I see a lot of “Jones will probably gone after this year”. What makes you think that? I support Jones, and I definitely don’t think he’s the answer, but I could also see him being around next year of the Giants have a ~.500 season which I think they will. What I’m even more confused about is a lot of the fans (not you specifically) think DJ is actually a better QB than what we’ve seen (it would be hard not to be) but are also the same fans saying he won’t be here next here. Why? If he’s better than what we’ve seen his salary cap is still affordable and a better option than paying a FA like potentially Dak or Cousins and he would still be a better option than throwing a rookie QB out there. I’m a fan of the person not the player but I can easily see DJ on this roster next year if the Giants have a half way decent season which I think they will. Better get ready Giants fans, unless DJ completely shits the bed which I don’t think he will do, we’ll be looking at 2 more years of mediocrity and ineptitude. I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. As of today, I honestly wouldn’t even want him to take a pay cut because I still don’t think he would be good enough to win a SB even if we spent his pay cut “savings” on other players. We very well may fail with another QB, whether drafted or a FA, but we’ve seen enough of the Jones show to know he’s not the answer. The problem is the TEAM could and probably will win at least 7-8 games this year and we’ll be stuck in no man’s land just treading water for the next 3-4 years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 19:29:47 GMT -5
I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. As of today, I honestly wouldn’t even want him to take a pay cut because I still don’t think he would be good enough to win a SB even if we spent his pay cut “savings” on other players. We very well may fail with another QB, whether drafted or a FA, but we’ve seen enough of the Jones show to know he’s not the answer. The problem is the TEAM could and probably will win at least 7-8 games this year and we’ll be stuck in no man’s land just treading water for the next 3-4 years. If they win 7 to 9 games it would be an indicator that they are ready to make the move trade future capital to get their guy. I think think as far as Jones goes they would be happy for Jones to keep them swimming around the 8 to 10 win seasons keeping them on the job and buying them time to find the next QB wether it is 2025 draft or 2026 and continue to build out the roster. Not the worst thing in the world if that did happen but also it would feel 2017ish to me. I knew that team wasn't good and that it wasn't gonna be sustainable thats the only difference if they build this team into a good young team that would signal sustainability especially if they can find the right trigger man next year or the following year.
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 27, 2024 20:03:58 GMT -5
Not just you Dog but I see a lot of “Jones will probably gone after this year”. What makes you think that? I support Jones, and I definitely don’t think he’s the answer, but I could also see him being around next year of the Giants have a ~.500 season which I think they will. What I’m even more confused about is a lot of the fans (not you specifically) think DJ is actually a better QB than what we’ve seen (it would be hard not to be) but are also the same fans saying he won’t be here next here. Why? If he’s better than what we’ve seen his salary cap is still affordable and a better option than paying a FA like potentially Dak or Cousins and he would still be a better option than throwing a rookie QB out there. I’m a fan of the person not the player but I can easily see DJ on this roster next year if the Giants have a half way decent season which I think they will. Better get ready Giants fans, unless DJ completely shits the bed which I don’t think he will do, we’ll be looking at 2 more years of mediocrity and ineptitude. I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. The problem with a "paycut" is he's still under contract through 2026-27 so the only way to do it is to restructure. Which then pushes the guaranteed money out even further than 2025 (if we were to release him before the start of the NFL 2025 year).
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 28, 2024 8:50:57 GMT -5
I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. The problem with a "paycut" is he's still under contract through 2026-27 so the only way to do it is to restructure. Which then pushes the guaranteed money out even further than 2025 (if we were to release him before the start of the NFL 2025 year). That would have to be a no then I'm more inline with cutting the cord after the season last year was the first on this new deal so he is signed through 2026 no he had no 5th year option he should be done 2026 it's a 4 year deal. I'm saying they come up to him and do what they have done with other we rip up the old contract and you sign a new deal inline with your production or there's the door after this year. I'm over waiting for it, I would like to see him try to make those throws he refuses If it is the same as it has been with him I see know reason to have him here on the roster they can sign a vet while they either draft a QB 2025 or hang on to the vet for 2 years and go in on one 2026. I'm thinking if Jones is here he is here for 2025 -2026 while they find his replacement that is only if he can win enough and this year to keep them respectable and competitive I'm sick of Dallas wooping there ass and teh Eagles to.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Jun 1, 2024 5:12:02 GMT -5
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. That’s fair. Other than comparing the college game to the pro game to the pros, I agree. In the end it’s up to him to save his job. It's not a comparison of the college to pro game but I understand how someone could see it that way. Quarterbacks face duress at every level of football. I just used Caleb Williams as an example because he played well with a bad OL. Many quarterbacks have done the same in the NFL. I was telling someone on this board recently that despite getting his ass kicked in SB42 all game Brady still stared down the rush and drove his team down the field to take the lead. I don't trust Daniel Jones to do that. Just because you're under pressure a lot doesn't mean you have to melt down. Jones is a bum until proven otherwise. We all have to hope he does so.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Jun 1, 2024 5:23:51 GMT -5
Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. It's not that simple though. Both times the Giants played the Patriots Brady walked off the field with his team in the lead until a final, desperation drive after Eli did his thing. Brady had nothing to do with his defense letting Eli do them dirty twice. The Patriots defense had the option of stopping the Giants and winning the game. The Giants didn't ruin Tom Brady the way Giants fans like to believe they did. The defense simply handed him his ass enough to win the games. But at no point did Brady quit, or become so discombobulated that he was unable to execute the offense. When the Patriots didn't execute it was because they were defeated by superior execution on the other side. If you're talking about Montana in the 1990 NFC championship game, Leonard Marshall sent him off the face of the earth, he got injured and couldn't go anymore. He didn't go out like a sucker, he got hurt. That's how it goes. I think Jim Burt sent him to the moon back in 86' too. I've been injured playing football myself so has everyone else who ever played the game for the most part. Brady and Montana didn't do anything in the realm of the bullshit Daniel Jones does when he gets pressured. Jones folds up like a wimp, starts fumbling and throwing picks.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Jun 1, 2024 5:32:44 GMT -5
Just like the usual suspects here…. No one is rooting against Jones /thread Banks disagrees. Banks said there is a sect of the fan base living in goofy land and said... "There is a certain sector of folks calling themselves Giants fans that have made it their lives work to shit on Daniel Jones. It's to the point...to where they are so goofy with their takes it's making Daniel Jones a sympathetic figure." Carl Banks says "calling themselves Giants fans" as though he gets to decide who is and is not a fan. Banks is not the gatekeeper of NYG fandom. Nobody is making it their life's work to shit on Daniel Jones either lol. Banks should stop exaggerating. The average fan doesn't give a shit who is playing QB. We just want to win. Daniel Jones doesn't win. It's very simple for the average fan. Win games and we will shut the **** up. Until then we're on his ass.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 1, 2024 6:02:35 GMT -5
That is simply not true. Brady and Montana are proof enough that all Giant fans know. It's not that simple though. Both times the Giants played the Patriots Brady walked off the field with his team in the lead until a final, desperation drive after Eli did his thing. Brady had nothing to do with his defense letting Eli do them dirty twice. The Patriots defense had the option of stopping the Giants and winning the game. The Giants didn't ruin Tom Brady the way Giants fans like to believe they did. The defense simply handed him his ass enough to win the games. But at no point did Brady quit, or become so discombobulated that he was unable to execute the offense. When the Patriots didn't execute it was because they were defeated by superior execution on the other side. If you're talking about Montana in the 1990 NFC championship game, Leonard Marshall sent him off the face of the earth, he got injured and couldn't go anymore. He didn't go out like a sucker, he got hurt. That's how it goes. I think Jim Burt sent him to the moon back in 86' too. I've been injured playing football myself so has everyone else who ever played the game for the most part. Brady and Montana didn't do anything in the realm of the bullshit Daniel Jones does when he gets pressured. Jones folds up like a wimp, starts fumbling and throwing picks. I've said it before, the only Brady and Montana that Jones resembles to date are Marcia and Hannah...
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Post by mendy on Jun 1, 2024 8:31:58 GMT -5
I've said it before, the only Brady and Montana that Jones resembles to date are Marcia and Hannah... Context matters. Comparing what havoc a Defense can do to a QB even great HOF ones like these two(let's not forget Joe Theisman), no one compared Jones play to these two.
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Post by gumby on Jun 1, 2024 10:48:59 GMT -5
I'm of the minority that we can still win with his skillset - assuming he hasn't been David Carr'd. He just needs the right pieces around him.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jun 1, 2024 14:22:32 GMT -5
I've said it before, the only Brady and Montana that Jones resembles to date are Marcia and Hannah... Context matters. Comparing what havoc a Defense can do to a QB even great HOF ones like these two(let's not forget Joe Theisman), no one compared Jones play to these two. Apparently Jones apologists are now claiming he faces a historic defensive performance every week. That's the only explanation for poor production. Keep up the good work Mendy/Miggs.
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Post by miggs on Jun 2, 2024 21:44:00 GMT -5
No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jun 3, 2024 6:18:26 GMT -5
No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it. Brain 🧠 damage is good for your health. Deal with it!! Feel sry for this fella
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Post by inconvenientruth on Jun 3, 2024 11:48:53 GMT -5
No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it. Im glad you're just being honest with it now.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jun 3, 2024 12:21:08 GMT -5
No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it. Not when there’s a fabricated excuse for every possible scenario.
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Post by imgrate on Jun 3, 2024 12:27:39 GMT -5
I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. The problem with a "paycut" is he's still under contract through 2026-27 so the only way to do it is to restructure. Which then pushes the guaranteed money out even further than 2025 (if we were to release him before the start of the NFL 2025 year). Not necessarily. If the alternative is to be cut, then a paycut is possible. Players take paycuts if they’re likely to make less on the market following that cut than if they were to work with the leverage they have on the team asking them to take the paycut. Jones, for instance has no guaranteed cash next year (well, 11 if hes on the roster on the fifth day of the league year) on his contract. The Giants save roughly 20mill in cap hit by cutting him If the Giants don’t cut him, he would make 30mill next year So, there’s a differential there to work with and a large question of “how much would DJ get on the open market” Lets make up a scenario, and if the numbers are too nonsensical, then let me know what you think they should be.. DJ has another middling season and the Giants don’t have a QB prospect that theyre high on in the draft… Let’s say DJ and his agent think he would get less than 12-16 mill in cash next year on the open market as they think a team would likely want to give him a one year prove it deal with not even a guarantee that he’d be the guy.. Lets also say that the Giants know they’d have to go spend roughly 10mill in cap space in ‘25 to fill DJ’s spot. So, if they can get DJ’s cap hit to be around 33mill instead of the 41, then they see that being worthwhile. That would mean DJ would have to take a paycut of his base salary by 9mill, or in other words he’d be making 21mill next year, which is still more than he thought he would get on the open market and we get cap relief.
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Post by miggs on Jun 3, 2024 13:22:47 GMT -5
No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it. Not when there’s a fabricated excuse for every possible scenario. Hear all this crap by uninformed critics here of Jones saying he doesn't throw downfield. Banter boys say the same thing. Listen to what Banks said and learn from it. He said ifI-line is bad then HC has to draw up shorter pass plays. That's what Daboll has been forced to do. Second, he said you don't know what progressions are. So if receiver open and he's third in progression and Jones not throw to him then it's not his fault. It's the coach's progression formula that's the problem. And sometimes receiver runs wrong pattern and gets open. Once QB see's receiver is running wrong route, he looks elsewhere. So, Jones is terrific, but if OL doesn't protect and Daboll don't have great pass plays, it's not on him. You need to look beyond Jones, as he does his homework and is smart, unlike most of Jones critics.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jun 3, 2024 13:49:05 GMT -5
Not when there’s a fabricated excuse for every possible scenario. Hear all this crap by uninformed critics here of Jones saying he doesn't throw downfield. Banter boys say the same thing. Listen to what Banks said and learn from it. He said ifI-line is bad then HC has to draw up shorter pass plays. That's what Daboll has been forced to do. Second, he said you don't know what progressions are. So if receiver open and he's third in progression and Jones not throw to him then it's not his fault. It's the coach's progression formula that's the problem. And sometimes receiver runs wrong pattern and gets open. Once QB see's receiver is running wrong route, he looks elsewhere. So, Jones is terrific, but if OL doesn't protect and Daboll don't have great pass plays, it's not on him. You need to look beyond Jones, as he does his homework and is smart, unlike most of Jones critics. That literally had nothing to do with what I said, but ok.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jun 3, 2024 13:50:32 GMT -5
The problem with a "paycut" is he's still under contract through 2026-27 so the only way to do it is to restructure. Which then pushes the guaranteed money out even further than 2025 (if we were to release him before the start of the NFL 2025 year). Not necessarily. If the alternative is to be cut, then a paycut is possible. Players take paycuts if they’re likely to make less on the market following that cut than if they were to work with the leverage they have on the team asking them to take the paycut. Jones, for instance has no guaranteed cash next year (well, 11 if hes on the roster on the fifth day of the league year) on his contract. The Giants save roughly 20mill in cap hit by cutting him If the Giants don’t cut him, he would make 30mill next year So, there’s a differential there to work with and a large question of “how much would DJ get on the open market” Lets make up a scenario, and if the numbers are too nonsensical, then let me know what you think they should be.. DJ has another middling season and the Giants don’t have a QB prospect that theyre high on in the draft… Let’s say DJ and his agent think he would get less than 12-16 mill in cash next year on the open market as they think a team would likely want to give him a one year prove it deal with not even a guarantee that he’d be the guy.. Lets also say that the Giants know they’d have to go spend roughly 10mill in cap space in ‘25 to fill DJ’s spot. So, if they can get DJ’s cap hit to be around 33mill instead of the 41, then they see that being worthwhile. That would mean DJ would have to take a paycut of his base salary by 9mill, or in other words he’d be making 21mill next year, which is still more than he thought he would get on the open market and we get cap relief. That's all well and good and understandable. But it's my understanding that if the Giants rework a contract for Jones to take a base salary paycut it's not as if the current contract's guaranteed money goes away. It just gets reworked into the new deal. This is my issue.
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Post by imgrate on Jun 3, 2024 14:00:17 GMT -5
Not necessarily. If the alternative is to be cut, then a paycut is possible. Players take paycuts if they’re likely to make less on the market following that cut than if they were to work with the leverage they have on the team asking them to take the paycut. Jones, for instance has no guaranteed cash next year (well, 11 if hes on the roster on the fifth day of the league year) on his contract. The Giants save roughly 20mill in cap hit by cutting him If the Giants don’t cut him, he would make 30mill next year So, there’s a differential there to work with and a large question of “how much would DJ get on the open market” Lets make up a scenario, and if the numbers are too nonsensical, then let me know what you think they should be.. DJ has another middling season and the Giants don’t have a QB prospect that theyre high on in the draft… Let’s say DJ and his agent think he would get less than 12-16 mill in cash next year on the open market as they think a team would likely want to give him a one year prove it deal with not even a guarantee that he’d be the guy.. Lets also say that the Giants know they’d have to go spend roughly 10mill in cap space in ‘25 to fill DJ’s spot. So, if they can get DJ’s cap hit to be around 33mill instead of the 41, then they see that being worthwhile. That would mean DJ would have to take a paycut of his base salary by 9mill, or in other words he’d be making 21mill next year, which is still more than he thought he would get on the open market and we get cap relief. That's all well and good and understandable. But it's my understanding that if the Giants rework a contract for Jones to take a base salary paycut it's not as if the current contract's guaranteed money goes away. It just gets reworked into the new deal. This is my issue. Thats a restructure. Another option is a paycut or reduction of the salary. Restructures are much more common, but paycuts are possible and do/can happen. For example, Slayton took a paycut two years ago.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 8, 2024 14:57:43 GMT -5
"In this episode, Bob Papa and Carl Banks discuss a recent tweet from Bob that wasn't related to Daniel Jones and sparked backlash from Giants fans. They talk about why it's counterproductive for fans to root against Jones. They explore Daniel Jones's challenges over the years, highlighting the lack of stability from coaching and inadequate support on the field. By comparing the Giants' situation to other franchises, they shed light on why fans need to appreciate what this storied franchise has accomplished. Lastly, they touch on Hard Knocks' during this 100th season and how fans will see behind-the-scenes access during the off-season." lol, nice work cheerleaders
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Post by te88 on Sept 8, 2024 14:59:02 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear Banks and Papa become "toxic" . There is no denying that Daniel Jones cannot play and is a huge risk to the team's salary cap with every additional snap he plays.
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