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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 16:18:46 GMT -5
Knowing what you know now about Jerry Reese . ( 2 Super Bowl trophies) ( Some bad drafts) (Some poor seasons) Go back to the Day Reese was promoted to GM. Would you hire him again?
For me because of the 2 trophies alone I would.
Edit: Some seem not to be able to get the point of the question.
Not changing anything that happened With Reese's time with the Giants 2007-2017. Would you still have hired him knowing what his triumphs and tribulations will be?
It is a very simple question.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 22, 2018 16:40:05 GMT -5
Voted yes. I don't know how anyone could vote no since there is no way to know if another GM would have put the pieces in place to get those 2 Superbowls.
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 22, 2018 16:54:56 GMT -5
At one time... "In Reese we trust" was more real than fiction
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 22, 2018 17:02:57 GMT -5
Yes, but he should've been gone with TC.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 22, 2018 17:20:24 GMT -5
No doubt. You simply cannot argue against those two Super Bowls.
Well, yes you can but you won’t win.
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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 17:21:42 GMT -5
Yes, but he should've been gone with TC. The question was. Would hire him again and go through the exact same circumstances . Everyone states what should have been done, if the opportunity arose would want to do it again the way it played out?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 22, 2018 18:12:57 GMT -5
Would I have hired Reese in the first place?
I don't remember who else was available for hire at that time, so let's start with naming those candidates and go from there.
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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 18:29:24 GMT -5
Would I have hired Reese in the first place? I don't remember who else was available for hire at that time, so let's start with naming those candidates and go from there. Again you are changing the parameters of my original question. Why the dancing around the bush stance? It boils down to do you accept what Reese did as GM or you did not . I thought I made it very clear with a simple yes no answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 18:43:26 GMT -5
Hire him in 2007 and fired him after the 2011 SB.
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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 18:48:08 GMT -5
Hire him in 2007 and fired him after the 2011 SB. So you would fire a GM after winning the Super bowl ? The question was and I do not know why it was hard to grasp . Would you take Reese's entire tenure with the Giants ? Not what one thinks should have taken place.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 22, 2018 19:07:00 GMT -5
Would I have hired Reese in the first place? I don't remember who else was available for hire at that time, so let's start with naming those candidates and go from there. Again you are changing the parameters of my original question. Why the dancing around the bush stance? It boils down to do you accept what Reese did as GM or you did not . I thought I made it very clear with a simple yes no answer. Ok then my answer is sure, why not....I guess it could've been worse....or better....who the **** knows? What....is he related to you? Reese in the end needed to go he ****ed up too many times and finally he went but you're not interested in that so my answer is sure I'd hire him. Whatever.
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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 19:20:32 GMT -5
Again you are changing the parameters of my original question. Why the dancing around the bush stance? It boils down to do you accept what Reese did as GM or you did not . I thought I made it very clear with a simple yes no answer. Ok then my answer is sure, why not....I guess it could've been worse....or better....who the **** knows? What....is he related to you? Reese in the end needed to go he ****ed up too many times and finally he went but you're not interested in that so my answer is sure I'd hire him. Whatever. I think you missed my point. And are making it with the "is he related to you statement" There seems to be 2 camps with JR. Camp one : Understand Reese had some bad monuments and awarded the fans with 2 trophies. Otherwise known as the Reese apologists or excusers Camp two: Reese did nothing but keep the Giants in a rut . The 2 Super bowls were either Accosi's team and the 2011 team an anomaly because of the 9-7 record. Otherwise known as the No credit given at allers. Camp 3 that JR did no wrong . Does not exist. I just want to know with the poll would some forfeit the 2 trophies for a GM more suited to what they believe the Giants should have had.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 19:28:06 GMT -5
Hire him in 2007 and fired him after the 2011 SB. So you would fire a GM after winning the Super bowl ? The question was and I do not know why it was hard to grasp . Would you take Reese's entire tenure with the Giants ? Not what one thinks should have taken place. yeah I would fire him since he sucked right after 2011 and failed to address key holes. Since I’m supposed to know how everything played out including 2 SB, i would part ways with him well before things got out of hand in 2013.
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Post by TEM on Jun 22, 2018 19:36:52 GMT -5
So you would fire a GM after winning the Super bowl ? The question was and I do not know why it was hard to grasp . Would you take Reese's entire tenure with the Giants ? Not what one thinks should have taken place. yeah I would fire him since he sucked right after 2011 and failed to address key holes. Since I’m supposed to know how everything played out including 2 SB, i would part ways with him well before things got out of hand in 2013. Do you understand what the premise of the thread is? Because i do not think you do. You are configuring your response to what you think the parameters should be..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 19:52:19 GMT -5
2 Superbowl wins trump anything else. It's the same reason I would still have made that trade for Eli.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 22, 2018 20:26:25 GMT -5
2 Superbowl wins trump anything else. It's the same reason I would still have made that trade for Eli.
Now you've gone too far...
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Post by Jomo on Jun 23, 2018 7:04:31 GMT -5
Ok then my answer is sure, why not....I guess it could've been worse....or better....who the **** knows? What....is he related to you? Reese in the end needed to go he ****ed up too many times and finally he went but you're not interested in that so my answer is sure I'd hire him. Whatever. I just want to know with the poll would some forfeit the 2 trophies for a GM more suited to what they believe the Giants should have had. He who frames the question, wins the argument and so you have. By providing a "false choice" to us we are left to either agree with you or be a complete moron. We see a lot of that on TV today. Now if we were given a real choice.....
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 23, 2018 9:38:46 GMT -5
Accorsi put all the pieces together for 2007, so I only credit Reese with 2011. But I would have hired him. Like Joe said... he should have been gone with TC. But, it is more normal than not to keep a person a little too long. It is what it is and we can't change a thing. Moving forward...…….
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Post by TEM on Jun 23, 2018 9:43:56 GMT -5
Knowing what you know now about Jerry Reese . ( 2 Super Bowl trophies) ( Some bad drafts) (Some poor seasons) Go back to the Day Reese was promoted to GM. Would you hire him again? For me because of the 2 trophies alone I would. Edit: Some seem not to be able to get the point of the question. Not changing anything that happened With Reese's time with the Giants 2007-2017. Would you still have hired him knowing what his triumphs and tribulations will be? It is a very simple question. No,much of the make up of those two trophies were not his doing. This is an opinion because you have no produced any facts to support this claim. I assure i can produce plenty to support with facts they were his teams and the moves he made for both teams. Just by roster moves alone. I see you are in camp 2 no credit at all This is an opinion because you have not produced any facts to support this claim. I assure i can produce plenty to support with facts they were his teams and the moves he made for both teams. Just by roster moves alone.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 23, 2018 9:54:06 GMT -5
Knowing what you know now about Jerry Reese . ( 2 Super Bowl trophies) ( Some bad drafts) (Some poor seasons) Go back to the Day Reese was promoted to GM. Would you hire him again? For me because of the 2 trophies alone I would. Edit: Some seem not to be able to get the point of the question. Not changing anything that happened With Reese's time with the Giants 2007-2017. Would you still have hired him knowing what his triumphs and tribulations will be? It is a very simple question. No,much of the make up of those two trophies were not his doing. Do you think we would have won with Luke Petigoup at LT? Similarly to DG getting rid of Hart, Reese got rid of our LT who was a weakness on the OL. Then you have the draft in 2007 that played a huge role in our success that season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -5
"Let's settle this once and for all."
I'd say 80+ percent means it's settled.
Hopefully, now we can start focusing on the guy who is ACTUALLY the Giants' general manager. I think there's enough to be concerned with there to keep us occupied.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 23, 2018 10:00:01 GMT -5
TEM- I am not understanding your point. You are saying there are only 2 schools of thought on Reese: either he should've been the GM, or not.
I can't just say no, he should've never been here. I also can't say he did a good job his whole tenure.
He made some good moves and some bad moves. In the end the balance shifted towards more bad than good and it cost him his job, and rightfully so. He had years to fix the OL, LB, and RB positions and didn't. Was he the victim of back luck at times (i.e. David Wilson)? Sure. Every GM is.
Did he make some great picks? Sure, Odell, Collins, Engram to name a few that are actually still on this team and are contributors.
But I think it's been documented ad nauseum his draft failures.
The Giants have been a losing team since the last SB in 2011. Except for 2016 but that can be debated. The defense carried that team and yes, Reese signed the checks for Snacks, Jackrabbit, and OV. But take away the last SB and what does Reese have?
Unfortunately it's not black and white.
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Post by TEM on Jun 23, 2018 10:06:29 GMT -5
Accorsi put all the pieces together for 2007, so I only credit Reese with 2011. But I would have hired him. Like Joe said... he should have been gone with TC. But, it is more normal than not to keep a person a little too long. It is what it is and we can't change a thing. Moving forward...……. Derrick Ward re-signed Gribril Wilson re-signe ( remember the INt against GB in the NFc Championship game) Shaun O'hara FA accusation ( edit ) re-signed Arron Ross Keven Boss All were key contributors in 07 season. To say it was Accoris team is not true. the 03 -06 teams were under Accorsi 2 were wildcard teams none won the Superbowl. It proves the roster we not a refined as the 07 team
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Post by TEM on Jun 23, 2018 10:13:28 GMT -5
TEM- I am not understanding your point. You are saying there are only 2 schools of thought on Reese: either he should've been the GM, or not. I can't just say no, he should've never been here. I also can't say he did a good job his whole tenure. He made some good moves and some bad moves. In the end the balance shifted towards more bad than good and it cost him his job, and rightfully so. He had years to fix the OL, LB, and RB positions and didn't. Was he the victim of back luck at times (i.e. David Wilson)? Sure. Every GM is. Did he make some great picks? Sure, Odell, Collins, Engram to name a few that are actually still on this team and are contributors. But I think it's been documented ad nauseum his draft failures. The Giants have been a losing team since the last SB in 2011. Except for 2016 but that can be debated. The defense carried that team and yes, Reese signed the checks for Snacks, Jackrabbit, and OV. But take away the last SB and what does Reese have? Unfortunately it's not black and white. I made it black and white. yes I still want the trophies , no it is not worth going through him as GM all over again. Ponder it . I have made it a simple as possible. Some would argue you do not know if a different Gm would have won super bowls as well. Could be. With Reese there is a guarantee to get 2.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 23, 2018 10:20:56 GMT -5
based on what we've just seen Gettleman accomplish in the short time he's been here I would say no I wouldn't have hired Reese...
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 23, 2018 10:21:26 GMT -5
If you want a black and white answer then yes, I'd take Reese and the 2 trophies.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 23, 2018 10:24:00 GMT -5
Accorsi put all the pieces together for 2007, so I only credit Reese with 2011. But I would have hired him. Like Joe said... he should have been gone with TC. But, it is more normal than not to keep a person a little too long. It is what it is and we can't change a thing. Moving forward...……. I guess it makes sense to say that Reese served his purpose for the time he was here but he was simply kept too long and outlived that purpose..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 10:46:22 GMT -5
Ok then my answer is sure, why not....I guess it could've been worse....or better....who the **** knows? What....is he related to you? Reese in the end needed to go he ****ed up too many times and finally he went but you're not interested in that so my answer is sure I'd hire him. Whatever. I think you missed my point. And are making it with the "is he related to you statement" There seems to be 2 camps with JR. Camp one : Understand Reese had some bad monuments and awarded the fans with 2 trophies. Otherwise known as the Reese apologists or excusers Camp two: Reese did nothing but keep the Giants in a rut . The 2 Super bowls were either Accosi's team and the 2011 team an anomaly because of the 9-7 record. Otherwise known as the No credit given at allers. Camp 3 that JR did no wrong . Does not exist. I just want to know with the poll would some forfeit the 2 trophies for a GM more suited to what they believe the Giants should have had. I wouldn't forfeit the 2 trophies no, but there's no proof that without Reese we don't win them either so we don't have to forfeit them. As you correctly stated above, 2011 team was bad until the playoffs started and lucky to even get in only via the worst season ever for the NFC East, you want to crown Reese for that? And yes, 95% of the 2007 team he inherited so he had very little to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 10:49:15 GMT -5
Accorsi put all the pieces together for 2007, so I only credit Reese with 2011. But I would have hired him. Like Joe said... he should have been gone with TC. But, it is more normal than not to keep a person a little too long. It is what it is and we can't change a thing. Moving forward...……. Credit him for a bad 9-7 team who only snuck into the playoffs because it was the worst year ever for the NFC East and the other 3 teams were just worse? I credit Eli Manning for 2011 he's the only reason they even managed to win 9 that year.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 23, 2018 10:51:54 GMT -5
For all of JR's mistakes, and there were plenty, I voted yes because you can't ignore 2 SBs. Some of the players JR drafted in 2007 played key roles in the 2007 SB run like Kevin Boss, Steve Smith, Ahmad Bradshaw, Zak DeOssie and Jay Alford, and the majority of the players on the team in the 2011 SB run were players he either drafted or signed. I'm glad JR is gone, but I'll always be grateful for those 2 SBs and the same applies to TC and Gilbride.
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