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Post by Dezzr on Jun 25, 2018 12:31:50 GMT -5
Anyone that says no is a fool
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 25, 2018 12:34:24 GMT -5
We're probably going to see a lot of Webb and Lauletta this pre-season so that's one thing to look forward to.
True. It will also be nice to see the team operating under a new coaching staff (hopefully).
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 25, 2018 12:37:12 GMT -5
Anyone that says no is a fool Giving up 2 Super Bowls for a chance to have done better is pretty bold.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:15:43 GMT -5
True. Say we become competitive. By putting on your Carnac hat, what do you think would be the biggest contributing factor to the turnaround? Gettleman no doubt. Then I think you just answered your own question. I think the two most deciding factors would be new coaching staff and their schemes and the OL. Therefore Reese shouldn’t be accredited the same type of praise as Accorsi received in 07-08
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 25, 2018 14:05:22 GMT -5
Gettleman no doubt. Then I think you just answered your own question. I think the two most deciding factors would be new coaching staff and their schemes and the OL. Therefore Reese shouldn’t be accredited the same type of praise as Accorsi received in 07-08
I agree with you. Coaching and the Oline should make a big difference. But I also believe the Gettleman move was huge.
I think it's very clear that Mark Ross and Jerry Reese hurt this franchise with their poor decision making over time. But I also think the teams failure was due in large part to McAdoo. The Giants were clearly a dysfunctional team last year, and there's no way in my mind that would have happened with a decent coach like TC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 14:18:37 GMT -5
Then I think you just answered your own question. I think the two most deciding factors would be new coaching staff and their schemes and the OL. Therefore Reese shouldn’t be accredited the same type of praise as Accorsi received in 07-08
I agree with you. Coaching and the Oline should make a big difference. But I also believe the Gettleman move was huge.
I think it's very clear that Mark Ross and Jerry Reese hurt this franchise with their poor decision making over time. But I also think the teams failure was due in large part to McAdoo. The Giants were clearly a dysfunctional team last year, and there's no way in my mind that would have happened with a decent coach like TC.
Oh, the Gettleman move was huge. I'm just not sure it was huge in a good way But I agree - wholeheartedly - with your assessment of McAdouche.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 25, 2018 15:04:48 GMT -5
I agree with you. Coaching and the Oline should make a big difference. But I also believe the Gettleman move was huge.
I think it's very clear that Mark Ross and Jerry Reese hurt this franchise with their poor decision making over time. But I also think the teams failure was due in large part to McAdoo. The Giants were clearly a dysfunctional team last year, and there's no way in my mind that would have happened with a decent coach like TC.
Oh, the Gettleman move was huge. I'm just not sure it was huge in a good way But I agree - wholeheartedly - with your assessment of McAdouche.
One of the things I liked hearing from Dave was about his desire to find guys who are serious football players as opposed to Reese and Ross, who I would describe focused mostly on athleticism. I'm not sure if that's a fair comment, but I see the picks of a Hernandez and a Barkley vs a JPP and the JPP of tight ends as examples of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 15:44:20 GMT -5
Oh, the Gettleman move was huge. I'm just not sure it was huge in a good way But I agree - wholeheartedly - with your assessment of McAdouche.
One of the things I liked hearing from Dave was about his desire to find guys who are serious football players as opposed to Reese and Ross, who I would describe focused mostly on athleticism. I'm not sure if that's a fair comment, but I see the picks of a Hernandez and a Barkley vs a JPP and the JPP of tight ends as examples of that.
Are you referring to Evan Engram? I'm totally happy with the Engram pick.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 25, 2018 16:25:18 GMT -5
One of the things I liked hearing from Dave was about his desire to find guys who are serious football players as opposed to Reese and Ross, who I would describe focused mostly on athleticism. I'm not sure if that's a fair comment, but I see the picks of a Hernandez and a Barkley vs a JPP and the JPP of tight ends as examples of that.
Are you referring to Evan Engram? I'm totally happy with the Engram pick.
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2018 16:37:30 GMT -5
TEM- You wouldn't happen to know how long until the first preseason game in Austrailian time off the top of your head would you? For what sport?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 25, 2018 16:41:06 GMT -5
TEM- You wouldn't happen to know how long until the first preseason game in Austrailian time off the top of your head would you? For what sport? I dunno....professional?
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Post by Speedman on Jun 25, 2018 16:41:45 GMT -5
Are you referring to Evan Engram? I'm totally happy with the Engram pick.
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
I think it was Adrien Robinson.
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2018 16:44:08 GMT -5
I was kinda hoping he’d reset to it to the first real game. I used to be indifferent about preseason. I have grown to absolutely hate it. I mean, I look forward to it because at least it feels like the season is on it's way, but yeah, is it really worth the possibility of injuries? On the other hand, when you've got a whole new scheme like we do this year, I guess it's gotta be test driven first. Plus they've gotta decide who's getting cut. So.....yeah. I guess. . How the first unit O-line functions in the preseason has been a mirror image of the regular season for the past few seasons. I am not fond of the preseason at all myself but It does show some inclination of what to expect . Not wins/ losses but how they play.
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2018 16:48:28 GMT -5
Crocodile Wrestling, Kangaroo Boxing, Rugby , Watching the toilet flush in the opposite direction? Name and I shall try to find.
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2018 16:50:50 GMT -5
We're probably going to see a lot of Webb and Lauletta this pre-season so that's one thing to look forward to. I agree.
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2018 16:54:02 GMT -5
Gettleman no doubt. Then I think you just answered your own question. I think the two most deciding factors would be new coaching staff and their schemes and the OL. Therefore Reese shouldn’t be accredited the same type of praise as Accorsi received in 07-08 good points
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 25, 2018 16:58:26 GMT -5
Watching the toilet flush in the opposite direction? Well that was the Giants last season so......
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2018 17:21:16 GMT -5
Ringing endorsement or not the fact is none of us entered into 2007 with high expectations. We all felt there were questions that needed answering. None of us could have predicted the results any better than we can this season. True. Say we become competitive. By putting on your Carnac hat, what do you think would be the biggest contributing factor to the turnaround? Gettleman will get most of the credit but I think the coaching staff should share it. There's an argument to be made that with good coaching the team might have been competitive last year. Assuming competitive means roughly .500. Which in a league like the NFL is a high hurdle for competitiveness. We really could argue that 7-9 is competitive since teams have actually made the playoffs with that record. That said, any credit for improvement in the team's results should go to the areas that directly caused the fall from competitiveness: the FO and coaching staff
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 17:24:23 GMT -5
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
I think it was Adrien Robinson. Man, JR gets killed for that pick. he WAS a pretty late round pick as I remember. All GM's miss a lot on later round picks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 17:55:59 GMT -5
Are you referring to Evan Engram? I'm totally happy with the Engram pick.
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
JR was the JPP of GMs, as in good for a couple years then trash after that
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 25, 2018 18:00:23 GMT -5
I think it was Adrien Robinson. Man, JR gets killed for that pick. he WAS a pretty late round pick as I remember. All GM's miss a lot on later round picks.
he was the last regular pick in the 4th round in 2012 (pick 127). I'm guessing not many pro bowlers from that spot. He did turn out to be a pretty useless player though.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 25, 2018 19:12:56 GMT -5
I think it was Adrien Robinson. Man, JR gets killed for that pick. he WAS a pretty late round pick as I remember. All GM's miss a lot on later round picks.
Framed in true JR fashion. The real framing is not that one late pick can be a bomb (duh) but that so many were absolutely worthless. Lol that said, I agree you in a vacuum, I don't know why that one reverberates so much except that JR put a label on that kid and it stuck. JPP was a rising star and he reached for a label and missed. Not any special kind of miss except that JR set the expectation way wrong. Among all of JRs weaknesses, communication skills were right up there.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:21:39 GMT -5
To me , I believe any GM with the talent and coach's the Giants had would have looked good and still win the two super bowls now would they have let let the defense and Offense fall off like Reese did ,I say not. The same players on our defense in 2016 which carried the team were on the 2017 team that ranked 31st.
How do you explain this?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2018 21:49:49 GMT -5
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
JR was the JPP of GMs, as in good for a couple years then trash after that He's the Eli Manning of GMs.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:51:38 GMT -5
Man, JR gets killed for that pick. he WAS a pretty late round pick as I remember. All GM's miss a lot on later round picks.
Framed in true JR fashion. The real framing is not that one late pick can be a bomb (duh) but that so many were absolutely worthless. Lol that said, I agree you in a vacuum, I don't know why that one reverberates so much except that JR put a label on that kid and it stuck. JPP was a rising star and he reached for a label and missed. Not any special kind of miss except that JR set the expectation way wrong. Among all of JRs weaknesses, communication skills were right up there. Who should he have communicated with better?....and how could that possibly effect the players he picked?
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Post by gmen46 on Jun 26, 2018 1:13:41 GMT -5
I mean, I look forward to it because at least it feels like the season is on it's way, but yeah, is it really worth the possibility of injuries? On the other hand, when you've got a whole new scheme like we do this year, I guess it's gotta be test driven first. Plus they've gotta decide who's getting cut. So.....yeah. I guess. I’ve started hating it more in recent years as every brainless twit desperately tries to contrive meaning from completely meaningless scrimmages. So...it's not the pre-see games themselves you really hate, it's the brainless twits. I'm with you there.
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Post by TEM on Jun 26, 2018 7:13:19 GMT -5
No. I don't remember the guy's name. The guy JR referred to as the JPP of tight ends.
The Engram pick looks like a good pick.
JR was the JPP of GMs, as in good for a couple years then trash after that That is the mostly the point of the poll . Would you do it again? As I said the timeline played out in the only way it could playout in that manner . Any deviation from it would change it. As some suggest things would have been the same with the2 SB . Unknown . This is a fact if fired with TC as some if not all wanted . We would not have Dave or Pat or Engram, Solder, Snacks, Vernon, Hernandez, Tomlinson, Barkley, Shepard on the team. ( the core of our team) Because the change would have created an entire different timeline with different results. That has to be take into rational consideration . It is the big picture not just " it would have been better"
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 26, 2018 8:22:17 GMT -5
I'm curious...after days of discussion......Have we settled this once and for all?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 26, 2018 8:25:23 GMT -5
I think it was Adrien Robinson. Man, JR gets killed for that pick. he WAS a pretty late round pick as I remember. All GM's miss a lot on later round picks.
Robinson was a 4th rounder so there was definitely no guarantee he would pan out.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 26, 2018 8:39:02 GMT -5
I'm curious...after days of discussion......Have we settled this once and for all? I think some are still trying to figure out the premise of the thread.
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