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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 12:28:07 GMT -5
I question why we went from the 2016 defense to the defense we saw last year.
Last year it looked to me like guys were not giving 100% effort. The players I would include in that category are: Snacks, JPP, Collins, Apple, Jenkins, and DRC.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about all season, but I am talking about at specific times.
I'd like to think last season will lead to our defense playing with a chip on it's shoulder, and when you couple that with the aggressiveness of Bettcher's style of D, I'm looking forward to see just how well we play on D. I think the D will surprise many of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 12:33:04 GMT -5
Notice where the emphasis was added. JPP was a cap causality . The FO over spent. I liked JPP, There are only so many Genuine 4 down DE s in the league. He was one of them. He will be missed. I showed it in this post that he was not replaced with the same caliber players even with his decline that was showing . The 5 Edge rushers in the article combined are just a bit better then JPP was by himself last season . thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/243/2018-position-preview-outside-linebackers#ixzz5KgS821gmI still do not thing our Defense is at the very bottom. I don't know where it ranks, but it has definitely taken a step backward this off-season. And, backward isn't the direction we need to be going.
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Post by TEM on Jul 8, 2018 12:36:58 GMT -5
JPP was a cap causality . The FO over spent. I liked JPP, There are only so many Genuine 4 down DE s in the league. He was one of them. He will be missed. I showed it in this post that he was not replaced with the same caliber players even with his decline that was showing . The 5 Edge rushers in the article combined are just a bit better then JPP was by himself last season . thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/243/2018-position-preview-outside-linebackers#ixzz5KgS821gmI still do not thing our Defense is at the very bottom. I don't know where it ranks, but it has definitely taken a step backward this off-season. And, backward isn't the direction we need to be going. I would tend to think we are not the worst . We have some proven talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 12:38:53 GMT -5
I question why we went from the 2016 defense to the defense we saw last year.
Last year it looked to me like guys were not giving 100% effort. The players I would include in that category are: Snacks, JPP, Collins, Apple, Jenkins, and DRC.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about all season, but I am talking about at specific times.
I'd like to think last season will lead to our defense playing with a chip on it's shoulder, and when you couple that with the aggressiveness of Bettcher's style of D, I'm looking forward to see just how well we play on D. I think the D will surprise many of you.
Do you always give 100% effort in your 14th hour of work? 3-and-out after 3-and-out after 3-and-out tends to keep a team's offense fresh, while driving it's defense into the ground.
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Post by TEM on Jul 8, 2018 12:39:53 GMT -5
I question why we went from the 2016 defense to the defense we saw last year.
Last year it looked to me like guys were not giving 100% effort. The players I would include in that category are: Snacks, JPP, Collins, Apple, Jenkins, and DRC.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about all season, but I am talking about at specific times.
I'd like to think last season will lead to our defense playing with a chip on it's shoulder, and when you couple that with the aggressiveness of Bettcher's style of D, I'm looking forward to see just how well we play on D. I think the D will surprise many of you.
I agree 100% . It is not like we lack players. It may take a bit to get everyone situated. Like I said I think the coaches will understand that and have contingencies to counteract it.
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Post by myronguyton on Jul 8, 2018 12:53:17 GMT -5
Yes, NT is a very important position in the 3-4. Having Snacks on the team helps, and hopefully he can transition back to one of the best players in the league at that position.
Other than that, I think we're overanalyzing here. It's football. Line 11 guys up and win the battles. Make adjustments. Attack the football and make tackles. The goals are the same. The game is the same. Pretty simple concept in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 13:14:25 GMT -5
Let's put the phenomenon faced by the 2016 and 2017 defenses into real-world terms...
You work the evening shift at your job. You come in at 3 and discover that the day shift has completed 20 percent of the day's work. You and your evening-shift coworkers get together and decide you're going to bust your asses to get the other 80 percent done by quitting time. You do so, and you walk out exhausted. On your way out, you leave a note for the morning crew saying, "Hey, guys...we picked up your slack tonight. Do you think you might be able to do 50 percent of the work tomorrow?" You come in the next afternoon still tired from the night before and discover that the day shift has only done TEN percent of the day's work this time. At some point, you're going to say, "If they're not going to do their jobs, then why the hell should we do ours?" It's human nature.
The company can preach "teamwork" all it wants, but...eventually, you and your evening-shift coworkers are going to quit.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 8, 2018 13:19:05 GMT -5
Let's put the phenomenon faced by the 2016 and 2017 defenses into real-world terms... You work the evening shift at your job. You come in at 3 and discover that the day shift has completed 20 percent of the day's work. You and your evening-shift coworkers get together and decide you're going to bust your asses to get the other 80 percent done by quitting time. You do so, and you walk out exhausted. On your way out, you leave a note for the morning crew saying, "Hey, guys...we picked up your slack tonight. Do you think you might be able to do 50 percent of the work tomorrow?" You come in the next afternoon still tired from the night before and discover that the day shift has only done TEN percent of the day's work this time. At some point, you're going to say, "If they're not going to do their jobs, then why the hell should we do ours?" It's human nature. The company can preach "teamwork" all it wants, but...eventually, you and your evening-shift coworkers are going to quit. Especially if your manager has his face buried in a Denny's menu all the time.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 13:36:08 GMT -5
I question why we went from the 2016 defense to the defense we saw last year.
Last year it looked to me like guys were not giving 100% effort. The players I would include in that category are: Snacks, JPP, Collins, Apple, Jenkins, and DRC.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about all season, but I am talking about at specific times.
I'd like to think last season will lead to our defense playing with a chip on it's shoulder, and when you couple that with the aggressiveness of Bettcher's style of D, I'm looking forward to see just how well we play on D. I think the D will surprise many of you.
Do you always give 100% effort in your 14th hour of work? 3-and-out after 3-and-out after 3-and-out tends to keep a team's offense fresh, while driving it's defense into the ground. Did you ever watch John Mendenhall play? That is the effort I look for from every player on every play on our defense. It’s the same effort a guy like AP played with. I want to see guys shedding blocks and never quitting no matter what. And shame on a DC for playing guys who aren’t cutting it.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 13:46:30 GMT -5
Let's put the phenomenon faced by the 2016 and 2017 defenses into real-world terms... You work the evening shift at your job. You come in at 3 and discover that the day shift has completed 20 percent of the day's work. You and your evening-shift coworkers get together and decide you're going to bust your asses to get the other 80 percent done by quitting time. You do so, and you walk out exhausted. On your way out, you leave a note for the morning crew saying, "Hey, guys...we picked up your slack tonight. Do you think you might be able to do 50 percent of the work tomorrow?" You come in the next afternoon still tired from the night before and discover that the day shift has only done TEN percent of the day's work this time. At some point, you're going to say, "If they're not going to do their jobs, then why the hell should we do ours?" It's human nature. The company can preach "teamwork" all it wants, but...eventually, you and your evening-shift coworkers are going to quit. I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 14:50:48 GMT -5
Let's put the phenomenon faced by the 2016 and 2017 defenses into real-world terms... You work the evening shift at your job. You come in at 3 and discover that the day shift has completed 20 percent of the day's work. You and your evening-shift coworkers get together and decide you're going to bust your asses to get the other 80 percent done by quitting time. You do so, and you walk out exhausted. On your way out, you leave a note for the morning crew saying, "Hey, guys...we picked up your slack tonight. Do you think you might be able to do 50 percent of the work tomorrow?" You come in the next afternoon still tired from the night before and discover that the day shift has only done TEN percent of the day's work this time. At some point, you're going to say, "If they're not going to do their jobs, then why the hell should we do ours?" It's human nature. The company can preach "teamwork" all it wants, but...eventually, you and your evening-shift coworkers are going to quit. I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? I guess not, but...are you holding the offense's feet to the fire as well? And by offense I mean more than just the line.
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Post by TEM on Jul 8, 2018 14:53:22 GMT -5
I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? I guess not, but...are you holding the offense's feet to the fire as well? And by offense I mean more than just the line. That goes without saying.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 8, 2018 14:55:40 GMT -5
Let's put the phenomenon faced by the 2016 and 2017 defenses into real-world terms... You work the evening shift at your job. You come in at 3 and discover that the day shift has completed 20 percent of the day's work. You and your evening-shift coworkers get together and decide you're going to bust your asses to get the other 80 percent done by quitting time. You do so, and you walk out exhausted. On your way out, you leave a note for the morning crew saying, "Hey, guys...we picked up your slack tonight. Do you think you might be able to do 50 percent of the work tomorrow?" You come in the next afternoon still tired from the night before and discover that the day shift has only done TEN percent of the day's work this time. At some point, you're going to say, "If they're not going to do their jobs, then why the hell should we do ours?" It's human nature. The company can preach "teamwork" all it wants, but...eventually, you and your evening-shift coworkers are going to quit. I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? They are professionals they should play with pride.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 8, 2018 14:57:38 GMT -5
I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? I guess not, but...are you holding the offense's feet to the fire as well? And by offense I mean more than just the line. Every player on that field should be accountable on every play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 15:20:26 GMT -5
I guess not, but...are you holding the offense's feet to the fire as well? And by offense I mean more than just the line. Every player on that field should be accountable on every play. But you and I both know that's not how it actually works in Giantland. Some are shown a confidence they haven't necessarily earned for a while, and...others are thrown to the wolves. It's the Giant way.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 8, 2018 15:47:00 GMT -5
Haha....Sorry.
Everyone kills JR for "ignoring" the LB position. Well I don't think he did at all. I think the coaching sucked, but either way he was drafting to the scheme of the D. The Giants had been a D dependent on pass rush from the front 4. Especially with Spags.
My biggest fear isn't the scheme. It's the time to adjust with limited practices under the current CBA, combined with a brutal first 7 games on the schedule. I fear by the time they get comfortable, the season with be lost.
You're right. Why don't they just forfeit this season and practice all year instead? NY Giants new slogan: "Why bother?" That's what you got from my post?....Really?
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Post by Speedman on Jul 8, 2018 17:46:43 GMT -5
Every player on that field should be accountable on every play. But you and I both know that's not how it actually works in Giantland. Some are shown a confidence they haven't necessarily earned for a while, and...others are thrown to the wolves. It's the Giant way. Who was thrown to the wolves?
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Post by Martin on Jul 8, 2018 18:38:12 GMT -5
You have to be realistic. I know we all want to win a Sbowl but there is a lot of adjusting happening with this team. I would love to see a playoff appearance but its very iffy at the moment. Yet not impossible. I agree with MH there isn't lots of time before game 1. Its just a fact so yes its gonna take some time for the D to roll and there maybe a number of losses that happen. I see the whole process as building a new Giants team. You have to have patience and being a long time NewYorker it isn't easy. I'Im sure we have many on this board like me. I am excited about the potential though!!
Go Giants!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 19:21:36 GMT -5
You have to be realistic. I know we all want to win a Sbowl but there is a lot of adjusting happening with this team. I would love to see a playoff appearance but its very iffy at the moment. Yet not impossible. I agree with MH there isn't lots of time before game 1. Its just a fact so yes its gonna take some time for the D to roll and there maybe a number of losses that happen. I see the whole process as building a new Giants team. You have to have patience and being a long time NewYorker it isn't easy. I'Im sure we have many on this board like me. I am excited about the potential though!! Go Giants!!! But we aren’t in a rebuild. Eli has years of elite QB play left in him, and all he needs is a running back and some OL improvement and he’ll be leading us to the promised land once again. Or, so we’ve been told.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 8, 2018 20:22:36 GMT -5
You're right. Why don't they just forfeit this season and practice all year instead? NY Giants new slogan: "Why bother?" That's what you got from my post?....Really? Oh Christ NO. Enjoy the view you have right now.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 8, 2018 20:24:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't feel confident if it was anyone else other than the caliber DC that Bettcher seems to be. I believe that the defense will surprise some people as the season progresses. The defense actually gave a number of similar 3-4 looks in 2016 and executed fantastically on those plays. I am very optimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised if they struggled at times. I have confidence that Bettcher will create a defense to the strengths of his players. We'll have to see how it goes.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 20:27:56 GMT -5
I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? I guess not, but...are you holding the offense's feet to the fire as well? And by offense I mean more than just the line.
Absolutely. But this is a thread about our new defense.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 8, 2018 20:28:42 GMT -5
You have to be realistic. I know we all want to win a Sbowl but there is a lot of adjusting happening with this team. I would love to see a playoff appearance but its very iffy at the moment. Yet not impossible. I agree with MH there isn't lots of time before game 1. Its just a fact so yes its gonna take some time for the D to roll and there maybe a number of losses that happen. I see the whole process as building a new Giants team. You have to have patience and being a long time NewYorker it isn't easy. I'Im sure we have many on this board like me. I am excited about the potential though!! Go Giants!!! But we aren’t in a rebuild. Eli has years of elite QB play left in him, and all he needs is a running back and some OL improvement and he’ll be leading us to the promised land once again. Or, so we’ve been told. Bronx...dude....you need to let go man. Lets at least make a deal that goes something like this: Not every ****ing post you make is a bash on Eli/a bash on Barkley. Until at least I dunno, week 2 of the season?? Then have at it if it all sucks. Jesus ****ing Christ what a pain in the ass you are....have a ****ing glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some ****ing thing.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 20:29:40 GMT -5
I really do not want to hear about the motivational problems for today’s athletes. There’s way too much money being charged for the product. It cost me and about 75,000 other fans over $5,000.00 a year for tickets. I am not paying for excuses. I’m paying to watch my team give 100% effort. I don’t believe that is asking too much do you? They are professionals they should play with pride.
No doubt but they didn't last year.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 8, 2018 20:44:14 GMT -5
Every player on that field should be accountable on every play. But you and I both know that's not how it actually works in Giantland. Some are shown a confidence they haven't necessarily earned for a while, and...others are thrown to the wolves. It's the Giant way.
There are various reasons teams show confidence in some players but not others, and that's not something exclusive to the Giants.
I'm assuming you are talking about Eli but there are other players who are getting an opportunity to prove themselves in addition to Eli. Flowers and Apple are the most obvious besides Eli, but there are others as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 20:46:45 GMT -5
But we aren’t in a rebuild. Eli has years of elite QB play left in him, and all he needs is a running back and some OL improvement and he’ll be leading us to the promised land once again. Or, so we’ve been told. Bronx...dude....you need to let go man. Lets at least make a deal that goes something like this: Not every ****ing post you make is a bash on Eli/a bash on Barkley. Until at least I dunno, week 2 of the season?? Then have at it if it all sucks. Jesus ****ing Christ what a pain in the ass you are....have a ****ing glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some ****ing thing. Actually, i’d consider it more a bash on Dave Gettleman, but...thanks for your input.
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Post by Martin on Jul 8, 2018 21:15:34 GMT -5
You have to be realistic. I know we all want to win a Sbowl but there is a lot of adjusting happening with this team. I would love to see a playoff appearance but its very iffy at the moment. Yet not impossible. I agree with MH there isn't lots of time before game 1. Its just a fact so yes its gonna take some time for the D to roll and there maybe a number of losses that happen. I see the whole process as building a new Giants team. You have to have patience and being a long time NewYorker it isn't easy. I'Im sure we have many on this board like me. I am excited about the potential though!! Go Giants!!! But we aren’t in a rebuild. Eli has years of elite QB play left in him, and all he needs is a running back and some OL improvement and he’ll be leading us to the promised land once again. Or, so we’ve been told.
Lets hope the Oline comes together this year. If so Eli will be fine. If it does there are plenty of skill players that he can go to. Going to a 2 TE set more often will be excellent. Ellison was under utilized and Ingram will be a year better.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 8, 2018 23:42:05 GMT -5
But we aren’t in a rebuild. Eli has years of elite QB play left in him, and all he needs is a running back and some OL improvement and he’ll be leading us to the promised land once again. Or, so we’ve been told. Bronx...dude....you need to let go man. Lets at least make a deal that goes something like this: Not every ****ing post you make is a bash on Eli/a bash on Barkley. Until at least I dunno, week 2 of the season?? Then have at it if it all sucks. Jesus ****ing Christ what a pain in the ass you are....have a ****ing glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some ****ing thing. We can't do this Joe.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 9, 2018 6:41:26 GMT -5
Bronx...dude....you need to let go man. Lets at least make a deal that goes something like this: Not every ****ing post you make is a bash on Eli/a bash on Barkley. Until at least I dunno, week 2 of the season?? Then have at it if it all sucks. Jesus ****ing Christ what a pain in the ass you are....have a ****ing glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some ****ing thing. We can't do this Joe. You're right, I got a little carried away. Bronx: I apologize if I was rude to you. The last part was a line from "Midnight Run" and was meant as a joke, but I can see how it would fall flat. But yeah, you do seem to be hung up on the last draft a bit.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 9, 2018 7:05:10 GMT -5
You're right, I got a little carried away. Bronx: I apologize if I was rude to you. The last part was a line from "Midnight Run" and was meant as a joke, but I can see how it would fall flat. But yeah, you do seem to be hung up on the last draft a bit. We all get hung up on a lot of stuff.
It's what drives football message boards. A bunch of fans obsessed with "something".
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