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Post by TEM on Jul 14, 2018 7:23:01 GMT -5
it changed after George left. Read the book for Gods sake. Wellington hired Tom. John Mara hired Ben. He's said it many times. JR never hired a single coach. HC or assistants. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 14, 2018 7:34:29 GMT -5
Roselle did not hire Young , He recommended him for the job, There is a big difference. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 14, 2018 8:01:36 GMT -5
Roselle did not hire Young , He recommended him for the job, There is a big difference. No , not much. Giant fans were burning season tickets in the parking lot. Rozelle basically said hire this guy or lose the franchise. This is straight from the article you posted, Young came to the Giants on Rozelle's recommendation as a compromise candidate to appease bickering ownership factions between Wellington and Tim Mara, and John Mara It states nothing about, hire this guy or lose the franchise. |
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 14, 2018 8:38:50 GMT -5
Roselle did not hire Young , He recommended him for the job, There is a big difference. No , not much. Giant fans were burning season tickets in the parking lot. Rozelle basically said hire this guy or lose the franchise. Love the hypocrisy from this organization. They always preach the "Giant family" like their this well oiled, respectful and family oriented organization whereas Roselle had to intervene b/c the family was so dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Johnny Mara hasn't made a good move since 2011 including a lifeless/colorless stadium which screwed his fan base and endorsed the replacement of his QB who has represented himself and the league as well as anybody while not being present in the building when the message was sent. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2018 8:45:40 GMT -5
No , not much. Giant fans were burning season tickets in the parking lot. Rozelle basically said hire this guy or lose the franchise. Love the hypocrisy from this organization. They always preach the "Giant family" like their this well oiled, respectful and family oriented organization whereas Roselle had to intervene b/c the family was so dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Johnny Mara hasn't made a good move since 2011 including a lifeless/colorless stadium which screwed his fan base and endorsed the replacement of his QB who has represented himself and the league as well as anybody while not being present in the building when the message was sent. OMG...Don't get me going about that mausoleum of a stadium. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 14, 2018 9:20:58 GMT -5
In that timeframe we went to 5 and won 4 . Including the only franchise to win at least one Sb in every decade in the past 40 years. (80s ,90s, 00s, 10s) Yea the Mara family suck as owners. We could have done a lot better . Perhaps they will sell to the Wilpons. One can only hope.  |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2018 13:32:22 GMT -5
Love the hypocrisy from this organization. They always preach the "Giant family" like their this well oiled, respectful and family oriented organization whereas Roselle had to intervene b/c the family was so dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Johnny Mara hasn't made a good move since 2011 including a lifeless/colorless stadium which screwed his fan base and endorsed the replacement of his QB who has represented himself and the league as well as anybody while not being present in the building when the message was sent. John is not his Dad for sure and that is a complete and utter different discussion.Met Life stadium is crap. It's important to find common ground. I think we can all agree that Met Life is a terrible stadium.
Ever try to get to the 300 section? You have to hire a guide and bring provisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 13:34:43 GMT -5
Love the hypocrisy from this organization. They always preach the "Giant family" like their this well oiled, respectful and family oriented organization whereas Roselle had to intervene b/c the family was so dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Johnny Mara hasn't made a good move since 2011 including a lifeless/colorless stadium which screwed his fan base and endorsed the replacement of his QB who has represented himself and the league as well as anybody while not being present in the building when the message was sent. John is not his Dad for sure and that is a complete and utter different discussion.Met Life stadium is crap. The outside of the stadium, not so bad. The inside is a horrible boring mess. The Giants and Jets were taken to the cleaners. |
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Post by Speedman on Jul 14, 2018 13:52:28 GMT -5
Love the hypocrisy from this organization. They always preach the "Giant family" like their this well oiled, respectful and family oriented organization whereas Roselle had to intervene b/c the family was so dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Johnny Mara hasn't made a good move since 2011 including a lifeless/colorless stadium which screwed his fan base and endorsed the replacement of his QB who has represented himself and the league as well as anybody while not being present in the building when the message was sent. OMG...Don't get me going about that mausoleum of a stadium. I don’t think they could have done any worse with that stadium. It is probably the ugliest fairly new stadium in the league. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 14, 2018 14:34:11 GMT -5
In that timeframe we went to 5 and won 4 . Including the only franchise to win at least one Sb in every decade in the past 40 years. (80s ,90s, 00s, 10s) Yea the Mara family suck as owners. We could have done a lot better . Perhaps they will sell to the Wilpons. One can only hope. LOL, way to "over react a bit" , we are talking about a certain time in the NY Giants history which many of us lived through..........chill. You misread my taking it to the extreme sarcasm as an over reaction . Sorry for the miscommunicating. Believe me I lived through those times. The Maras are not perfect . No one can say they are. The point I was trying to make was; we could do a whole lot worse. IMO: for every mistake the Maras have made, slack should be given to them for all the positive decisions that were made. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2018 15:29:33 GMT -5
OMG...Don't get me going about that mausoleum of a stadium. I don’t think they could have done any worse with that stadium. It is probably the ugliest fairly new stadium in the league. Yes it's ugly...but it also sucks. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2018 15:30:51 GMT -5
LOL, way to "over react a bit" , we are talking about a certain time in the NY Giants history which many of us lived through..........chill. You misread my taking it to the extreme sarcasm as an over reaction . Sorry for the miscommunicating. Believe me I lived through those times. The Maras are not perfect . No one can say they are. The point I was trying to make was; we could do a whole lot worse. IMO: for every mistake the Maras have made, slack should be given to them for all the positive decisions that were made. 4 superbowl wins. You are right. In my view, despit the mistakes and the tendency to resist change, the Maras have been great sports owners. |
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Post by Martin on Jul 14, 2018 21:31:26 GMT -5
JETS = just end the season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 10:34:49 GMT -5
It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, There is no doubt Snacks was a good one, does he still have that ability? If he gets hurt does Thomas? If you don't have one you can't stop the run. We are screwed. To an extent, it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. Do we even have one Defensive Ends that can get to the QB and stop the run ? We don’t know if we do. Without Hank last season we got hammered in the running game. Tomlinson and Hill are promising but unproven 3-4 DEs Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. This becomes too one dimensional. Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks. Consider our corners; at this point are suspect as of they can be effective in allowing anytime blitz packages. Large, strong inside linebackers are crucial, as second-level blockers like tight ends, fullbacks and pulling guards are hard for two-gap linemen to occupy. ILBs must be able to shed these blocks quickly in order to make plays. Goodson is a; I don’t know he can handle a pulling guard. He could not last year. Ogletree is not known as a thumper. Does he have the ability to step up and deliver a big hit on a Ball carrier coming at him at full speed? Everyone of these is a huge? . That is not comforting going onto this season. I just hope Gentlemen, Shurmur and Belcher have this under control. From this fans point of view. This Defense has way too many uncertainties with a little over 60 days before the start of the season. What scares me about the 3-4 is : It is a that peg must fit into this hole system. If we do not have the right pegs. Just ask McAdoo how that turns out. I can not take credit for all this. I took a lot of what the author wrote and applied to the Giants. bleacherreport.com/articles/1289011-showcasing-the-biggest-differences-in-the-4-3-and-3-4-pass-rushLinebacker remains an issue! I'm ok with Goodson starting out, but the depth behind Ogletree and him is concerning. Unproven at best. We need another experienced linebacker for depth imo. Probably have to wait for cuts. |
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 19, 2018 9:34:13 GMT -5
In that timeframe we went to 5 and won 4 . Including the only franchise to win at least one Sb in every decade in the past 40 years. (80s ,90s, 00s, 10s) Yea the Mara family suck as owners. We could have done a lot better . Perhaps they will sell to the Wilpons. One can only hope.
It's amazing how some fans have this blind spot and are so overly sensitive to any ridicule of their team. As if they were a family member. They just can't see the faults lol. Good lord
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 19, 2018 9:35:56 GMT -5
I've been to four games there, 3 Giant games and one college game .It was built for people 5'10 and 160 pounds or smaller and they must be color blind and none claustrophobic. God I miss the Giants Stadium! +1
Better not have wide shoulders or you're sitting sideways or leaning forward. Seating is a bit wider than a plane.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2018 16:56:21 GMT -5
In that timeframe we went to 5 and won 4 . Including the only franchise to win at least one Sb in every decade in the past 40 years. (80s ,90s, 00s, 10s) Yea the Mara family suck as owners. We could have done a lot better . Perhaps they will sell to the Wilpons. One can only hope.
It's amazing how some fans have this blind spot and are so overly sensitive to any ridicule of their team. As if they were a family member. They just can't see the faults lol. Good lord
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 19, 2018 17:05:04 GMT -5
It's amazing how some fans have this blind spot and are so overly sensitive to any ridicule of their team. As if they were a family member. They just can't see the faults lol. Good lord
Do you use that same critique with the former HC? lol, no b/c one has nothing to do with the other. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2018 17:14:04 GMT -5
Do you use that same critique with the former HC? lol, no b/c one has nothing to do with the other. Au contraire my friend. It is direct correlation on accountability.  |
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 19, 2018 17:25:53 GMT -5
lol, no b/c one has nothing to do with the other. Au contraire my friend. It is direct correlation on accountability. One is a coach who went 11-5 and then lost all his receivers and had a poor OL One is an owner who inherited a franchise and whose decisions over the past 6 years have screwed the fans/season ticket holders, lied, mislead, meddled, etc One is a fan who sees no faults in ownership as omnipotent despite the glaring flaws and hypocrisy  |
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2018 17:30:16 GMT -5
Au contraire my friend. It is direct correlation on accountability. One is a coach who went 11-5 and then lost all his receivers and had a poor OL One is an owner who inherited a franchise and whose decisions over the past 6 years have screwed the fans/season ticket holders, lied, mislead, meddled, etc One is a fan who sees no faults in ownership as omnipotent despite the glaring flaws and hypocrisy  My exact Quote The Maras are not perfect . No one can say they are. The point I was trying to make was; we could do a whole lot worse. IMO: for every mistake the Maras have made, slack should be given to them for all the positive decisions that were made.
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