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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2018 16:41:44 GMT -5
Wow...Revisionist history. Pugh was not injury prone in 2015. He was a decent RT and was by far the best option at LT after Beatty got hurt. And if you think that Jerry Reese could tell Tom Coughlin to play a rookie at LT against his will....you couldn't be more wrong.
Before the boards close you can go back and look at the conversations at the time. I said it myself that they were nuts putting a rookie at LT when Pugh was there. That is the decision made by the coach. That is how our team works. You should know that by now.
It's real easy to pin the blame on the HC even though his OC and eventual replacement was all aboard on the Flowers at LT train. The plan was always to make Flowers the eventual LT but they had to get him acclimated a year early due to injury. It was obviously a disaster and further exasperated by Mac and Reese by stubbornly trotting him out there another 2 more years. "Eventually", but of course that would depend on his development.....which he was given no opportunity for.
Putting a rookie at LT, on a win now team, which in our organization is strictly a coach's decision, is dumb. I said it at the time. That is ultimately on TC. It was a terrible move. Beatty was coming off a good season in 2014 and was going to be the starting LT for at least another 2 to 3 seasons. Then a freak injury. It happens. Not anyone's fault. But the decision after that was horrible.
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2018 17:26:29 GMT -5
His back was destroyed playing guard and only lasted 8 games at RT . IMO: there is no way he would have been successful at LT. I'm talking about three or four years ago. When Flowers was drafted. I was also.. He played one full season.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 12, 2018 18:08:41 GMT -5
Apparently DS believes that's precisely what Eli's motivation was, but I don't.
Eli's comments are unambiguous and the suggestion that he's was motivated to send Flowers a message when asked about Solder is not only silly but it's unfounded.
So let's not get sidetracked with turning this into nonsense, and instead and let's focus the contrast of opinions.
Again, your words: And Eli's words:
I read his quote. Nothing wrong or controversial about what he said. I still think he'll be a top 5 QB next year, easily. I wouldn't hire him as a GM if he really believed that. wow. Really? You are really going to deflect? You still think Eli will be a top 5 QB? What has that got to do with his statement, which is the subject here, about how an OLine works best? Not be a good GM? How would you even know? When Eli retires I would hire him as a QB coach, and in a few years he'll probably be a good OC. Who knows what characteristics make a great GM? But, Eli was raised to understand football, and you can't be an effective QB unless you also understand defenses. You find me a GM in the NFL that doesn't believe in the OLine being a cohesive entity that works together. People on here have thrown out quotes from respected offensive linemen, QBs, coaches, all espousing that the players on the Oline being 'on the same page' is the single most important characteristic of that group of players, and you simply deflect and never truly admit that they must be right. You are a lone voice in a sea of experts that all disagree with you, but you continue to stumble along... at the very least, quit putting your foot deeper down your throat. You are Andy Dufresne's definition of 'obtuse'.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 12, 2018 18:17:14 GMT -5
It's real easy to pin the blame on the HC even though his OC and eventual replacement was all aboard on the Flowers at LT train. The plan was always to make Flowers the eventual LT but they had to get him acclimated a year early due to injury. It was obviously a disaster and further exasperated by Mac and Reese by stubbornly trotting him out there another 2 more years. "Eventually", but of course that would depend on his development.....which he was given no opportunity for.
Putting a rookie at LT, on a win now team, which in our organization is strictly a coach's decision, is dumb. I said it at the time. That is ultimately on TC. It was a terrible move. Beatty was coming off a good season in 2014 and was going to be the starting LT for at least another 2 to 3 seasons. Then a freak injury. It happens. Not anyone's fault. But the decision after that was horrible.
I'll cringe if Flowers starts at RT. His footwork is so bad. He just cannot stay with a man that moves laterally, or fakes a lateral move on him... he simply doesn't know how to slide his feet. and if he does start a decent slide in one direction he can't stop and switch directions. That same poor footwork might also make him a disaster at guard any time he has to pull and get in front of the RB for an effective block. And just plain block? When was the first time he blew a man straight backwards so the RB had a real hole to run through? Never. I don't even consider him decent depth. He played better on a bum ankle his rookie year than he has since. Flowers playing happens a lot when a team don't want to admit their #1 pick was a disaster.
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2018 18:28:11 GMT -5
"Eventually", but of course that would depend on his development.....which he was given no opportunity for.
Putting a rookie at LT, on a win now team, which in our organization is strictly a coach's decision, is dumb. I said it at the time. That is ultimately on TC. It was a terrible move. Beatty was coming off a good season in 2014 and was going to be the starting LT for at least another 2 to 3 seasons. Then a freak injury. It happens. Not anyone's fault. But the decision after that was horrible.
I'll cringe if Flowers starts at RT. His footwork is so bad. He just cannot stay with a man that moves laterally, or fakes a lateral move on him... he simply doesn't know how to slide his feet. and if he does start a decent slide in one direction he can't stop and switch directions. That same poor footwork might also make him a disaster at guard any time he has to pull and get in front of the RB for an effective block. And just plain block? When was the first time he blew a man straight backwards so the RB had a real hole to run through? Never. I don't even consider him decent depth. He played better on a bum ankle his rookie year than he has since. Flowers playing happens a lot when a team don't want to admit their #1 pick was a disaster. I am a little bit more optimistic with the move. He has to be taught a new position . That could wipeout his bad habits. It is a completely different way of doing his job.( the complete opposite) He has to be conditioned to build an all new muscle memory and reaction to the situation. I think this the easiest way to break poor technique.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2018 18:32:54 GMT -5
I'm talking about three or four years ago. When Flowers was drafted. I was also.. He played one full season. He had played two seasons and missed 2 games total. That is NOT "injury proned".
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 12, 2018 18:34:01 GMT -5
I'll cringe if Flowers starts at RT. His footwork is so bad. He just cannot stay with a man that moves laterally, or fakes a lateral move on him... he simply doesn't know how to slide his feet. and if he does start a decent slide in one direction he can't stop and switch directions. That same poor footwork might also make him a disaster at guard any time he has to pull and get in front of the RB for an effective block. And just plain block? When was the first time he blew a man straight backwards so the RB had a real hole to run through? Never. I don't even consider him decent depth. He played better on a bum ankle his rookie year than he has since. Flowers playing happens a lot when a team don't want to admit their #1 pick was a disaster. I am a little bit more optimistic with the move. He has to be taught a new position . That could wipeout his bad habits. It is a completely different way of doing his job.( the complete opposite) He has to be conditioned to build an all new muscle memory and reaction to the situation. I think this the easiest way to break poor technique. I hope you're right. At this point his only technique was poor technique. Yes, he is a virgin at RT, and it will all be in the coaching and how quickly he can learn. He has at least shown an inclination of being a part of the team of OLinemen, instead of being an outsider. I think Solder is working hard to help him get better and integrate
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2018 18:36:46 GMT -5
I am a little bit more optimistic with the move. He has to be taught a new position . That could wipeout his bad habits. It is a completely different way of doing his job.( the complete opposite) He has to be conditioned to build an all new muscle memory and reaction to the situation. I think this the easiest way to break poor technique. I hope you're right. At this point his only technique was poor technique. Yes, he is a virgin at RT, and it will all be in the coaching and how quickly he can learn. He has at least shown an inclination of being a part of the team of OLinemen, instead of being an outsider. I think Solder is working hard to help him get better and integrate I also do . We need him to be a good RT.
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2018 18:38:54 GMT -5
I was also.. He played one full season. He had played two seasons and missed 2 games total. That is NOT "injury proned". We need the LT to play every game . He is like the QB and #1 corner. It is a serious downgrade when the backup comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 20:33:18 GMT -5
I don't believe any of this at all but you have some sort of beef with TC. The guy gave us 2 rings, why not cut him some slack like you do with Reese for all his blunders? Now, even if what you said is true, Mac and Reese had 2 years to fix this mistake yet they kept trotting Flowers out there. This doesn't go in line with your blame on TC.
You don't believe the roster spots are the HC's decision?
I'm very surprised when I learn posters don't understand the basic structure our our organization.
Mcdoofus just said flowers is no good. I'm sure the reason he was playing and given his spot without any challenge was from Reese and his draft slot. I wouldmt be surprised that this was rhe reason Pugh was never considered an option to play LT. The GM can have a say on who plays where. In baseball Cashman did that with the Joba rules.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 12, 2018 20:58:07 GMT -5
You don't believe the roster spots are the HC's decision?
I'm very surprised when I learn posters don't understand the basic structure our our organization.
Mcdoofus just said flowers is no good. I'm sure the reason he was playing and given his spot without any challenge was from Reese and his draft slot. I wouldmt be surprised that this was rhe reason Pugh was never considered an option to play LT. The GM can have a say on who plays where. In baseball Cashman did that with the Joba rules.
It's common knowledge the GM has a voice over the roster and that he'll push for his guys - or more specifically - push for the ones that may be making him look bad. It's only natural that influence will affect a HC, but the onus is on the HC to do what's best for the team - not the GM.
With that said, McAdoo's opinion of our players mean little to me since he's guilty of taking our offense and actually making it much worse. If he hitched his job to Reese's wagon that's his own fault.
Live and learn.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2018 22:06:46 GMT -5
You don't believe the roster spots are the HC's decision?
I'm very surprised when I learn posters don't understand the basic structure our our organization.
Mcdoofus just said flowers is no good. I'm sure the reason he was playing and given his spot without any challenge was from Reese and his draft slot. I wouldmt be surprised that this was rhe reason Pugh was never considered an option to play LT. The GM can have a say on who plays where. In baseball Cashman did that with the Joba rules. It is possible that JR had some influence on McAdoo. I doubt it but it's possible.
It is IMPOSSIBLE that JR had any influence on Tom Coughlin. TC would have told him to jump. TC decided who played and where.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 22:59:29 GMT -5
Did anyone think Eli was going to throw a teammate under the bus? Apparently DS believes that's precisely what Eli's motivation was, but I don't. Eli's comments are unambiguous and the suggestion that he's was motivated to send Flowers a message when asked about Solder is not only silly but it's unfounded.
So let's not get sidetracked with turning this into nonsense, and instead and let's focus the contrast of opinions.
Again, your words: And Eli's words:
I was making light of the situation about flowers. During my daytime work meetings, I have to wake up in the middle of my sleep and provide for a lack of a better word solutions. We need to do this, how do we do it? We have this issue how do we fix it. We need to automate this, can it be done? I don't know, maybe lack of sleep or waking up at what is equivalent to 1am for a normal person, i provide the answers and management just accepts it because of my track record but there are newbies or non techies who need further explanation so i have to create design documents or provide implementation plans. Being a good leader, i also delegate some of the work but here since Im not a mod ill have to dumb down my posts so that people who marvel at my creative skills can get a better understanding of the context behind my posts. While I agree, chemistry is important, no one said it isn't, it is imo overrated. I'll make an simple analogy. A hand with 5 fingers, similar to the offensive line with 5 linemen. All 5 fingers have to "bend" to form a fist. You can't have the thumb giving the thumbs down sign or the index finger pointing out to the nearest exit, you need them all on the same page to form a tight fist. similarly you need the offensive line to be on the same page to act as a unit. Now what happens if one of the fingers is jammed and (cough flowers cough cough) can't bend? Flower may know what to do but either hes hurt or he sucks and cant bend because he just isnt that good, then you can't form a fist or accomplish your goals as a unit. Again, chemistry is important because you have to know what the other guys are doing but I think being more skilled at your position is more important. Like Eli said you don't have to be the best. Jjust got to be able to do your job like the other 4 guys. A better player will also be easier to work with in a unit, if a guy can't do his own job right how do you expect him to know what the other 4 guys are doing? Being a better player is more important, than being a scrub like hart trying to improve his team chemistry. This is as simple as it gets, only anencephalic posters would have a hard time understanding this.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2018 23:02:39 GMT -5
He had played two seasons and missed 2 games total. That is NOT "injury proned". We need the LT to play every game . He is like the QB and #1 corner. It is a serious downgrade when the backup comes in. Guys get hurt....Even left tackles.
BTW...Nate Solder has missed plenty of games with injury. Want to send him back?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 4:53:51 GMT -5
I read his quote. Nothing wrong or controversial about what he said. I still think he'll be a top 5 QB next year, easily. I wouldn't hire him as a GM if he really believed that. wow. Really? You are really going to deflect? You still think Eli will be a top 5 QB? What has that got to do with his statement, which is the subject here, about how an OLine works best? Not be a good GM? How would you even know? When Eli retires I would hire him as a QB coach, and in a few years he'll probably be a good OC. Who knows what characteristics make a great GM? But, Eli was raised to understand football, and you can't be an effective QB unless you also understand defenses. You find me a GM in the NFL that doesn't believe in the OLine being a cohesive entity that works together. People on here have thrown out quotes from respected offensive linemen, QBs, coaches, all espousing that the players on the Oline being 'on the same page' is the single most important characteristic of that group of players, and you simply deflect and never truly admit that they must be right. You are a lone voice in a sea of experts that all disagree with you, but you continue to stumble along... at the very least, quit putting your foot deeper down your throat. You are Andy Dufresne's definition of 'obtuse'. Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 5:48:45 GMT -5
wow. Really? You are really going to deflect? You still think Eli will be a top 5 QB? What has that got to do with his statement, which is the subject here, about how an OLine works best? Not be a good GM? How would you even know? When Eli retires I would hire him as a QB coach, and in a few years he'll probably be a good OC. Who knows what characteristics make a great GM? But, Eli was raised to understand football, and you can't be an effective QB unless you also understand defenses. You find me a GM in the NFL that doesn't believe in the OLine being a cohesive entity that works together. People on here have thrown out quotes from respected offensive linemen, QBs, coaches, all espousing that the players on the Oline being 'on the same page' is the single most important characteristic of that group of players, and you simply deflect and never truly admit that they must be right. You are a lone voice in a sea of experts that all disagree with you, but you continue to stumble along... at the very least, quit putting your foot deeper down your throat. You are Andy Dufresne's definition of 'obtuse'. Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. That's not like Zim to resort to insults. I guess when you kiss up to those in charge enough you can start restorting to that stuff. No one said being on the same page is not important, it is but not as important as talent. If chemistry and being on the same page was more important than talent, why did we let Richberg and Pugh leave? Why not just bring the guys who know each other back and have them continue to be on the same page? Why bring in 3 new guys and move another guy to a different position if "oh man we gotta get these guys same page" is so important? People are sheep, Oh I read somewhere that being on the same page is the single most important characteristic..... please... they can keep the scrubs that are on the same page and we'll get guys who know how to play and play well. If olineman is a scrub, how well do people think he will be at being on the same page as the rest of his lineman? If he's garbage, then hes going to be terrible at that too,. This is why you need talented guys who can play well because they will be also be good at being on the same page with the rest of the linemen and build better chemistry.
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2018 5:49:18 GMT -5
We need the LT to play every game . He is like the QB and #1 corner. It is a serious downgrade when the backup comes in. Guys get hurt....Even left tackles.
BTW...Nate Solder has missed plenty of games with injury. Want to send him back?
They do. What I am saying Pugh is an injury prone player . 2015 out 2 games 2016 out 5 games 2107 out 8 games He only played 1 full season in his entire time with Giants. His Rookie year. Solder had a tore bicep in 2015 . Other than that season, he has only missed 2 other games in the other 6 seasons he has played.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 5:56:09 GMT -5
Guys get hurt....Even left tackles.
BTW...Nate Solder has missed plenty of games with injury. Want to send him back?
They do. What I am saying Pugh is an injury prone player . 2015 out 2 games 2016 out 5 games 2107 out 8 games He only played 1 full season in his entire time with Giants. His Rookie year. Solder had a tore bicep in 2015 . Other than that season, he has only missed 2 other games in the other 6 seasons he has played. Not only does Pugh miss games, but in half of the games he does play, hes always banged up.
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2018 5:56:22 GMT -5
the 2 are gone because
Pugh is obvious. He is proving can't play a full season. Availability is the best ability
Richburg as center the entire O-line is out of sync. Jones comes in and it improves . IMO: What I take from that is, he can't call the protection properly.
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2018 5:58:23 GMT -5
They do. What I am saying Pugh is an injury prone player . 2015 out 2 games 2016 out 5 games 2107 out 8 games He only played 1 full season in his entire time with Giants. His Rookie year. Solder had a tore bicep in 2015 . Other than that season, he has only missed 2 other games in the other 6 seasons he has played. Not only does Pugh miss games, but in half of the games he does play, hes always banged up. I feel bad for him . He looks to be diminishing at a young age.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 6:05:47 GMT -5
Not only does Pugh miss games, but in half of the games he does play, hes always banged up. I feel bad for him . He looks to be diminishing at a young age. Should never have moved him inside. Should have kept him at RT
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2018 6:10:09 GMT -5
I did not read anyone make the point that an O-line that lacks talent will function . If you are making accusations that we herd followers if you think the offensive line needs to be on same page. Please explain why?
There have been quotes form coaches and players .stating the same page statement is true
I posted a zone blocking scheme . Showing the complexities of why they all need to know what each others assignment are.
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 13, 2018 6:36:08 GMT -5
Good question. Hernandez is likely going to be the better Pro yet rookie season are sooo long. Omameh Is a vet so he's used to a 16 game grind. Hernandez had non-stop draft interviews, prepare for combine, the combine, excitement and stress of waiting for the draft, first experience on an NFL field, OTA's, new play book, training camp/preseason followed by 16 games and maybe more. That's a lot for a rookie. He'll be the better Pro long term I think yet I'd say Omameh might make more of an impact over the whole season. Nice problem to have for once.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 13, 2018 7:04:58 GMT -5
wow. Really? You are really going to deflect? You still think Eli will be a top 5 QB? What has that got to do with his statement, which is the subject here, about how an OLine works best? Not be a good GM? How would you even know? When Eli retires I would hire him as a QB coach, and in a few years he'll probably be a good OC. Who knows what characteristics make a great GM? But, Eli was raised to understand football, and you can't be an effective QB unless you also understand defenses. You find me a GM in the NFL that doesn't believe in the OLine being a cohesive entity that works together. People on here have thrown out quotes from respected offensive linemen, QBs, coaches, all espousing that the players on the Oline being 'on the same page' is the single most important characteristic of that group of players, and you simply deflect and never truly admit that they must be right. You are a lone voice in a sea of experts that all disagree with you, but you continue to stumble along... at the very least, quit putting your foot deeper down your throat. You are Andy Dufresne's definition of 'obtuse'. Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. These guys are all the best linemen that college had to offer. Flowers was a number one pick.... a bad one, but number one and he would have been a 1 or 2 even if we didn't take him. So, has he got some talent? Yes. But, his talent hasn't converted at the NFL level. My problem with you is that you continuento refuse that the whole is more important than the sum of its parts when it comes to the OLine. Despite continued arguments from every sngle poster and NFL sources as to how important it is for them to work together to be more effective, you refuse to acknowledge it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 7:35:32 GMT -5
Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. These guys are all the best linemen that college had to offer. Flowers was a number one pick.... a bad one, but number one and he would have been a 1 or 2 even if we didn't take him. So, has he got some talent? Yes. But, his talent hasn't converted at the NFL level. My problem with you is that you continuento refuse that the whole is more important than the sum of its parts when it comes to the OLine. Despite continued arguments from every sngle poster and NFL sources as to how important it is for them to work together to be more effective, you refuse to acknowledge it. Flowers talent hasn't translated at the NFL level because he's getting overwhelmed by his opponents who are just better at their job than him. And I believe this has more to do with Flowers lack of talent (blocking ability) than his inability to gel with his O line. He's just 1 major part of the line and if he cannot contribute at an "individual" level than scheming and "being on the same page" gets thrown out the window and the line will fall apart. That's why I put more emphasis on individual talent than anything else. I'm not saying schemes are not important. Of course communication is important. But that stuff can get coached and fixed. I do think communication is important. I disagreed with someone when he said it was "Waaaay more important than individual talent." Watching Bobby Hart who was straight up garbage is enough for me to see that. Not only he couldn't block but he had absolutely no idea how to communicate with the guy next to him. Bill B's O line are more often than not disciplined and usually with a ton of talent. But when they went up against a tremendous pass rush in SB 42, the scheme blocking and being on the same page as everyone else only took them so far. They weren't able to hold down Strahan, Osi and Tuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 7:45:51 GMT -5
I did not read anyone make the point that an O-line that lacks talent will function . If you are making accusations that we herd followers if you think the offensive line needs to be on same page. Please explain why? There have been quotes form coaches and players .stating the same page statement is true I posted a zone blocking scheme . Showing the complexities of why they all need to know what each others assignment are. The comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the tunnel vision suffering no Grey area group that is known to ridicule any and all differing views.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 8:10:04 GMT -5
wow. Really? You are really going to deflect? You still think Eli will be a top 5 QB? What has that got to do with his statement, which is the subject here, about how an OLine works best? Not be a good GM? How would you even know? When Eli retires I would hire him as a QB coach, and in a few years he'll probably be a good OC. Who knows what characteristics make a great GM? But, Eli was raised to understand football, and you can't be an effective QB unless you also understand defenses. You find me a GM in the NFL that doesn't believe in the OLine being a cohesive entity that works together. People on here have thrown out quotes from respected offensive linemen, QBs, coaches, all espousing that the players on the Oline being 'on the same page' is the single most important characteristic of that group of players, and you simply deflect and never truly admit that they must be right. You are a lone voice in a sea of experts that all disagree with you, but you continue to stumble along... at the very least, quit putting your foot deeper down your throat. You are Andy Dufresne's definition of 'obtuse'. Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. If you think that suggesting that someone is "putting their foot in their mouth" or are being "obtuse" is inappropriate for a message board maybe this isn't the place for you.
It is a subtle consideration of course and I understand your confusion. A couple good examples would be....
1. "You keep putting your foot in your mouth"....Blunt but OK. 2. "You are the idiot of the Giants message board"....Not OK.
If you were to tell me that I keep putting my foot in my mouth and then explain why. I am fine with it. I would then try to tell you why I think you're wrong with my own argument.
I hope this helps you to understand the parameters here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 8:15:19 GMT -5
I feel bad for him . He looks to be diminishing at a young age. Should never have moved him inside. Should have kept him at RT Reese thought he had a diamond in the rough with Hart lol.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 8:33:22 GMT -5
Should never have moved him inside. Should have kept him at RT Reese thought he had a diamond in the rough with Hart lol. Well he was a 7th round pick. The 7th round is obviously a crap shoot, and that's an understatement.
I think we can forgive him for that.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 8:53:29 GMT -5
Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. If you think that suggesting that someone is "putting their foot in their mouth" or are being "obtuse" is inappropriate for a message board maybe this isn't the place for you.
It is a subtle consideration of course and I understand your confusion. A couple good examples would be....
1. "You keep putting your foot in your mouth"....Blunt but OK. 2. "You are the idiot of the Giants message board"....Not OK.
If you were to tell me that I keep putting my foot in my mouth and then explain why. I am fine with it. I would then try to tell you why I think you're wrong with my own argument.
I hope this helps you to understand the parameters here.
I need some clarification. If a poster is in fact an idiot, is it an insult to acknowledge it?
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