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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 9:00:58 GMT -5
If you think that suggesting that someone is "putting their foot in their mouth" or are being "obtuse" is inappropriate for a message board maybe this isn't the place for you.
It is a subtle consideration of course and I understand your confusion. A couple good examples would be....
1. "You keep putting your foot in your mouth"....Blunt but OK. 2. "You are the idiot of the Giants message board"....Not OK.
If you were to tell me that I keep putting my foot in my mouth and then explain why. I am fine with it. I would then try to tell you why I think you're wrong with my own argument.
I hope this helps you to understand the parameters here.
I need some clarification. If a poster is in fact an idiot, is it an insult to acknowledge it? No...But you must provide a sworn statement from a mental health provider that said poster is indeed "an idiot". I can give you names of a few who have examined me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 9:07:36 GMT -5
I need some clarification. If a poster is in fact an idiot, is it an insult to acknowledge it? No...But you must provide a sworn statement from a mental health provider that said poster is indeed "an idiot". I can give you names of a few who have examined me. Nobody here wants the contact info of your mangynecologist.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 9:12:48 GMT -5
No...But you must provide a sworn statement from a mental health provider that said poster is indeed "an idiot". I can give you names of a few who have examined me. Nobody here wants the contact info of your mangynecologist. Not to question your intelligence, but you are aware that a gynecologist is not interested in the health of your mind? Oh, sorry, you said "mangynecologist"; yes you are correct, that is where the male mind resides.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 9:12:50 GMT -5
No...But you must provide a sworn statement from a mental health provider that said poster is indeed "an idiot". I can give you names of a few who have examined me. Nobody here wants the contact info of your mangynecologist. We all have problems.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 9:13:30 GMT -5
Nobody here wants the contact info of your mangynecologist. Not to question your intelligence, but you are aware that a gynecologist is not interested in the health of your brain? Oh, sorry, you said "mangynecologist"; yes you are correct, that is where the male brain resides. In our uterus?
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 9:15:22 GMT -5
Not to question your intelligence, but you are aware that a gynecologist is not interested in the health of your brain? Oh, sorry, you said "mangynecologist"; yes you are correct, that is where the male brain resides. In our uterus? Didn't know you had one. But no, I meant your crotch. "Lay back, put your feet in the stirups, lets have a look at that mind today."
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 13, 2018 9:42:37 GMT -5
Why are you resorting to insults? I’ll take talent over anything else. Flowers is not a good LT because he isn’t a talented one. He gets beat regularly and it has almost nothing to do with being on the same page with the rest of his teammates. By the time these guys are in the NFL, they have seen plenty of schemes and understand a lot of their assignments. There’s still a learning curve once they hit the NFL, (new coaches, new teammates etc.) but the single most important thing you want in a lineman is his ability to block consistently. If he can’t do that then his career is over. That's not like Zim to resort to insults. I guess when you kiss up to those in charge enough you can start restorting to that stuff. No one said being on the same page is not important, it is but not as important as talent. If chemistry and being on the same page was more important than talent, why did we let Richberg and Pugh leave? Why not just bring the guys who know each other back and have them continue to be on the same page? Why bring in 3 new guys and move another guy to a different position if "oh man we gotta get these guys same page" is so important? People are sheep, Oh I read somewhere that being on the same page is the single most important characteristic..... please... they can keep the scrubs that are on the same page and we'll get guys who know how to play and play well. If olineman is a scrub, how well do people think he will be at being on the same page as the rest of his lineman? If he's garbage, then hes going to be terrible at that too,. This is why you need talented guys who can play well because they will be also be good at being on the same page with the rest of the linemen and build better chemistry.
Everyone in this thread understands the importance of the Oline being on the same page except your buddy EDM. There's no need for clarification.
But your insults will simply will not fly here. If you would like to remain, than I suggest you bag that act.
Eli was the guy who suggested having the right attitude wins out over talent. I suggest you take that up with him.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 13, 2018 9:51:40 GMT -5
These guys are all the best linemen that college had to offer. Flowers was a number one pick.... a bad one, but number one and he would have been a 1 or 2 even if we didn't take him. So, has he got some talent? Yes. But, his talent hasn't converted at the NFL level. My problem with you is that you continuento refuse that the whole is more important than the sum of its parts when it comes to the OLine. Despite continued arguments from every sngle poster and NFL sources as to how important it is for them to work together to be more effective, you refuse to acknowledge it. Flowers talent hasn't translated at the NFL level because he's getting overwhelmed by his opponents who are just better at their job than him. And I believe this has more to do with Flowers lack of talent (blocking ability) than his inability to gel with his O line. He's just 1 major part of the line and if he cannot contribute at an "individual" level than scheming and "being on the same page" gets thrown out the window and the line will fall apart. That's why I put more emphasis on individual talent than anything else. I'm not saying schemes are not important. Of course communication is important. But that stuff can get coached and fixed. I do think communication is important. I disagreed with someone when he said it was "Waaaay more important than individual talent." Watching Bobby Hart who was straight up garbage is enough for me to see that. Not only he couldn't block but he had absolutely no idea how to communicate with the guy next to him. Bill B's O line are more often than not disciplined and usually with a ton of talent. But when they went up against a tremendous pass rush in SB 42, the scheme blocking and being on the same page as everyone else only took them so far. They weren't able to hold down Strahan, Osi and Tuck. These are my final words on this. If you cannot understand the implications of this excellent example, then there's no use going on. I think every poster on here, and every knowledgeable NFL coach and veteran will agree that the 1986 OLine for the NY Giants was one of the top three OLines the Giants have ever had, if not the best. Who played on that line? Chris Godfrey, undrafted. Played firstb year with the Jets Billy Ard, 8th round draft pick, NYGiants Bart Oates, undrafted Brad Benson, 8th round draft pick by New England Karl nelson, 3rd round draft pick, Giants These 5 guys were average, individually. They only have a few All Pro yeard between them What made them great? Coaching, and playing together to a point where they knew each other like brothers. Now, if they had all been great individual blockers and first round picks right out of college, and they played together for years and got to know each other as brothers, they would surely have been a better overall OLine than our '86 crew... but that rarely happens... so you make them perform at their peak efficiency by coaching and familiarity. The huge holes that Joe Morris ran through that year weren't any of those individuals blowing their man away with a devastating straight ahead block... it was the right guard efficiently blocking his man to his left, and the right tackle efficiently blocking his man to the right, and wa-la, a gaping hole. Flowers doesn't have to blow his man away, he just has to be able to block him efficiently in a way that will coordinate with the block from the guard next to him, or the tight end, or being able to slide outside with his man and keep his body between him and Manning. A lot of that is coaching and learning good footwork... not being a beast. None of the '86 Giant's on the OLine were beasts. Amen, I can't add any more than that.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 13, 2018 9:52:53 GMT -5
Nobody here wants the contact info of your mangynecologist. Not to question your intelligence, but you are aware that a gynecologist is not interested in the health of your mind? Oh, sorry, you said "mangynecologist"; yes you are correct, that is where the male mind resides. 9.99/10.01
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 10:03:37 GMT -5
Didn't know you had one. But no, I meant your crotch. "Lay back, put your feet in the stirups, lets have a look at that mind today." Hey....I got some smarts real good. Not sure when my brain is but I'll bet it works gooder than yours.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 10:05:20 GMT -5
Didn't know you had one. But no, I meant your crotch. "Lay back, put your feet in the stirups, lets have a look at that mind today." Hey....I got some smarts real good. Not sure when my brain is but I'll bet it works gooder than yours. Let's face it Zim.......You're a bad seed. I knew it when I met you. There was something not right. No one could be that nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 10:25:54 GMT -5
Not to question your intelligence, but you are aware that a gynecologist is not interested in the health of your brain? Oh, sorry, you said "mangynecologist"; yes you are correct, that is where the male brain resides. In our uterus? I knew I should have edited to Manobgyn.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 13, 2018 10:53:56 GMT -5
Wow I remember that game. Ray Lewis talked all that trash about Brandon Jacobs isn't going to rim him down. First couple plays from scrimmage Jacobs steam rolled him on his way to a 30/35 yard gain. Also pounded him going out of bounds. They jumped all over the Raven's and a bunch of other really good teams that year Beat up on GB, Pittsburgh,AZ so both SB teams and we're putting up big points on O and blasting people on D. Remember balls thrown over middle and guys on GB/Pitt getting pounded and ball going the other way Be great to get back to that type of dominating football That was a great game and Jacobs got up after that run in a boxing stance ready to throw some blows lol yes that was a FEARED OFFENSE. Been a long long time since they have bee anything close to that
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 11:02:29 GMT -5
I knew I should have edited to Manobgyn. Pick up your game. It's weak today. I say this with love. A little self effacing humor goes a long way....Just a suggestion.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 11:20:09 GMT -5
I knew I should have edited to Manobgyn. Pick up your game. It's weak today. I say this with love. A little self effacing humor goes a long way....Just a suggestion.
I find that some people are completely incapable of laughing at themselves. I don't get it.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 11:24:26 GMT -5
Pick up your game. It's weak today. I say this with love. A little self effacing humor goes a long way....Just a suggestion.
I find that some people are completely incapable of laughing at themselves. I don't get it. Speaking in general, I don't either. We've all known people who are that way. Makes no sense to me.
We're all just flawed masses of protoplasm trying to make our way.
I've always thought that humility is one of the noblest of human virtues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 11:30:12 GMT -5
That's not like Zim to resort to insults. I guess when you kiss up to those in charge enough you can start restorting to that stuff. No one said being on the same page is not important, it is but not as important as talent. If chemistry and being on the same page was more important than talent, why did we let Richberg and Pugh leave? Why not just bring the guys who know each other back and have them continue to be on the same page? Why bring in 3 new guys and move another guy to a different position if "oh man we gotta get these guys same page" is so important? People are sheep, Oh I read somewhere that being on the same page is the single most important characteristic..... please... they can keep the scrubs that are on the same page and we'll get guys who know how to play and play well. If olineman is a scrub, how well do people think he will be at being on the same page as the rest of his lineman? If he's garbage, then hes going to be terrible at that too,. This is why you need talented guys who can play well because they will be also be good at being on the same page with the rest of the linemen and build better chemistry.
Everyone in this thread understands the importance of the Oline being on the same page except your buddy EDM.
If you're going to quote me then you should be able back it up.Overrated does not equal not important. I mentioned several times the importance of O line being on the same page. Talent is more important though. If you don't have it, then you're screwed. You and your buddies just don't seem to understand this? If that's the case I'll just drop it here.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 11:30:26 GMT -5
I think you can't enjoy life if you can't find a way to laugh at your own foibles.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 11:34:16 GMT -5
Everyone in this thread understands the importance of the Oline being on the same page except your buddy EDM.
If you're going to quote me then you should be able back it up.Overrated does not equal not important. I mentioned several times the importance of O line being on the same page. Talent is more important though. If you don't have it, then you're screwed. You and your buddies just don't seem to understand this? If that's the case I'll just drop it here. Are we really having a contentious debate about the relative importance of individual talent versus the importance of teamwork and coaching?
I have bad news for everyone, they both matter a lot. One can not succeed without the other. The exact percentage of each in regards to importance cannot be known by any man (or woman)......Sorry.
It's hardly worth getting all your knickers in a twist over.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 11:34:42 GMT -5
I think you can't enjoy life if you can't find a way to laugh at your own foibles. I agree....It's a path to misery.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 11:36:58 GMT -5
If you're going to quote me then you should be able back it up.Overrated does not equal not important. I mentioned several times the importance of O line being on the same page. Talent is more important though. If you don't have it, then you're screwed. You and your buddies just don't seem to understand this? If that's the case I'll just drop it here. Are we really having a contentious debate about the relative importance of individual talent versus the importance of teamwork and coaching?
I have bad news for everyone, they both matter a lot. One can not succeed without the other. The exact percentage of each in regards to importance cannot be known by any man (or woman)......Sorry.
It's hardly worth getting all your knickers in a twist over.
I'm ok with that. You can't be a good WR if you can't run or understand a playbook. You need both to be successful. But someone can debate which of the two is more important and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 11:39:04 GMT -5
Are we really having a contentious debate about the relative importance of individual talent versus the importance of teamwork and coaching?
I have bad news for everyone, they both matter a lot. One can not succeed without the other. The exact percentage of each in regards to importance cannot be known by any man (or woman)......Sorry.
It's hardly worth getting all your knickers in a twist over.
I'm ok with that. You can't be a good WR if you can't run or understand a playbook. You need both to be successful. But someone can debate which of the two is more important and I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it's such a nuanced point. Hardly worth getting ugly about. It's not like it's a black and white point about whether or not Eli sucks (which he does)
I kid....I kid......
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Post by GameTime on Jul 13, 2018 11:52:10 GMT -5
I think you can't enjoy life if you can't find a way to laugh at your own foibles. Foibles are nothing to laugh at. They can be very seriuos but can be cleared up quickly if caught early. I think they make an anoinment for them.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 11:58:52 GMT -5
If you're going to quote me then you should be able back it up.Overrated does not equal not important. I mentioned several times the importance of O line being on the same page. Talent is more important though. If you don't have it, then you're screwed. You and your buddies just don't seem to understand this? If that's the case I'll just drop it here. Are we really having a contentious debate about the relative importance of individual talent versus the importance of teamwork and coaching?
I have bad news for everyone, they both matter a lot. One can not succeed without the other. The exact percentage of each in regards to importance cannot be known by any man (or woman)......Sorry.
It's hardly worth getting all your knickers in a twist over.
No, he seems to be having an argument. The rest of us are trying to explain to him a concept that he claimed to not understand. Not sure how he can argue the relative significance of something he doesn't understand.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 13, 2018 12:01:30 GMT -5
Are we really having a contentious debate about the relative importance of individual talent versus the importance of teamwork and coaching?
I have bad news for everyone, they both matter a lot. One can not succeed without the other. The exact percentage of each in regards to importance cannot be known by any man (or woman)......Sorry.
It's hardly worth getting all your knickers in a twist over.
No, he seems to be having an argument. The rest of us are trying to explain to him a concept that he claimed to not understand. Not sure how he can argue the relative significance of something he doesn't understand. I was sugar-coating it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 14:33:22 GMT -5
I knew I should have edited to Manobgyn. Pick up your game. It's weak today. I say this with love. A little self effacing humor goes a long way....Just a suggestion.
OK your right. This was weak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 14:34:53 GMT -5
Pick up your game. It's weak today. I say this with love. A little self effacing humor goes a long way....Just a suggestion.
I find that some people are completely incapable of laughing at themselves. I don't get it. You're findings are wrong.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 14:47:03 GMT -5
I find that some people are completely incapable of laughing at themselves. I don't get it. You're findings are wrong. Unless you know every individual that I know, you really can't say that. The fact that you feel you can even think that you could find another wrong in this case astounds me with its arrogance. But you did use the symbolic hand of a deity in your handle, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I don't guess that you suffer from the humbles much.
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 14:50:18 GMT -5
I find that some people are completely incapable of laughing at themselves. I don't get it. Speaking in general, I don't either. We've all known people who are that way. Makes no sense to me.
We're all just flawed masses of protoplasm trying to make our way.
I've always thought that humility is one of the noblest of human virtues.
I don't think it is just humility. Many of those I know who can't laugh at themselves are those who are self abusive in their criticism of themselves. Maybe they just can't find any humor in their flaws and failings. It makes me sad, because life is hard enough without being your own enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 15:08:01 GMT -5
You're findings are wrong. Unless you know every individual that I know, you really can't say that. The fact that you feel you can even think that you could find another wrong in this case astounds me with its arrogance. But you did use the symbolic hand of a deity in your handle, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I don't guess that you suffer from the humbles much. . All this because I incorrectly assumed you were speaking about me. Lady you have a lot of pent up issues or maybe I wasnt wrong with my assumption after all.
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