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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2018 15:37:36 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of Webb at this point. I have said that. I would like to see him get it together. One bad game is not a good window to judge him by. Let see how he responds. On the other hand. Mayfield will be his own demise. When he starts up with his sideline antics. The media is going to have a field day with him every chance they get. I can almost call it . He will become unraveled because the media is picking on him. I will be interested to see if this plays out as you suggest. I was impressed by his performance but it will be interesting to see how he handles himself when things aren’t going his way. And since he’s on the Browns that should be pretty much most of the time. 🙂 I could be wrong . But in the NFL they put you in front of the podium. It is part of the deal. Let see how he handles questions pertaining to his immature jesters when, and I do say when because he has not shown the ability to curb them to this point.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2018 19:19:09 GMT -5
What is the basis for comparing Mayfield to Jeff George? Just because they were both number one picks? George was a DB who was despised by his teammates. Mayfield was adored by his teammates and is a great leader. Just don’t get the comparison at all They both do not have command of their emotional response. Until he proves otherwise . That is my opinion of him . He did the same thing against Georgia. Fromm outplayed him . What was his response. Cut his head off . When thing go against the way he thinks they should go, He becomes a whiny little bitch and resorts to childish jesters to prove his worth. Only thing he proves is, he can be gotten to. Mayfield was great in that game.
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2018 19:23:56 GMT -5
They both do not have command of their emotional response. Until he proves otherwise . That is my opinion of him . He did the same thing against Georgia. Fromm outplayed him . What was his response. Cut his head off . When thing go against the way he thinks they should go, He becomes a whiny little bitch and resorts to childish jesters to prove his worth. Only thing he proves is, he can be gotten to. Mayfield was great in that game. He was out played by a freshman . J. Fromm 20-29, 210 YDS, 2 TDs B Mayfield 23-35, 287 YDS, 2 TDs, 1 INT
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2018 20:34:54 GMT -5
TEM You got that from the article? He seems to have a chip on his shoulder (which is a good thing) And uses that as fuel for his play on the field. Look at his story in college, started at Texas Tech as a true walkon freshman. Transferred to Oklahoma and won the starting QB position there. This kid has probably heard all the "you're to small to play QB, your arm isn't strong enough." But yet he keeps on proving them wrong. Is he a douche? Absolutely... but most athletes are. As for this story, I laughed at it. Webb a freshman was telling Mayfield another freshman to get him towels. Mayfield should have given him a towel he wiped his ass with to Webb. Now look at them, Mayfield looked like he has the goods to play in this league, and Webb looks like a guy who should be stocking shelves at the local food store. Time will tell of course how their careers turn out. So it’s ok for Mayfield to be a douche but not Webb? Sounds like your pissed Webb let you down and your crowning Mayfield a bonafied NFL starter. Is it really that hard to believe a scholarship freshman would talk crap to a walk on? The bottom line is Webb was a 3rd rounder and Mayfield is a #1 pick. He should be a better QB. His chances of becoming a legit NFL QB are much better historically
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2018 20:39:55 GMT -5
Mayfield was great in that game. He was out played by a freshman . J. Fromm 20-29, 210 YDS, 2 TDs B Mayfield 23-35, 287 YDS, 2 TDs, 1 INT Geez you guys with your stats. I watched the game. He led his team up and down the field all day. The Sooner D got torched in the 2nd half.
And what does the Georgia QB have to do with Baker Mayfield?
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2018 20:48:39 GMT -5
He was out played by a freshman . J. Fromm 20-29, 210 YDS, 2 TDs B Mayfield 23-35, 287 YDS, 2 TDs, 1 INT Geez you guys with your stats. I watched the game. He led his team up and down the field all day. The Sooner D got torched in the 2nd half.
And what does the Georgia QB have to do with Baker Mayfield?
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 12, 2018 20:59:33 GMT -5
Geez you guys with your stats. I watched the game. He led his team up and down the field all day. The Sooner D got torched in the 2nd half.
And what does the Georgia QB have to do with Baker Mayfield?
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases You have some anti-Mayfield bias if you think that the difference in that game was that Fromm outplayed Mayfield
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 12, 2018 21:09:59 GMT -5
TEM You got that from the article? He seems to have a chip on his shoulder (which is a good thing) And uses that as fuel for his play on the field. Look at his story in college, started at Texas Tech as a true walkon freshman. Transferred to Oklahoma and won the starting QB position there. This kid has probably heard all the "you're to small to play QB, your arm isn't strong enough." But yet he keeps on proving them wrong. Is he a douche? Absolutely... but most athletes are. As for this story, I laughed at it. Webb a freshman was telling Mayfield another freshman to get him towels. Mayfield should have given him a towel he wiped his ass with to Webb. Now look at them, Mayfield looked like he has the goods to play in this league, and Webb looks like a guy who should be stocking shelves at the local food store. Time will tell of course how their careers turn out. So it’s ok for Mayfield to be a douche but not Webb? Sounds like your pissed Webb let you down and your crowning Mayfield a bonafied NFL starter. Is it really that hard to believe a scholarship freshman would talk crap to a walk on? The bottom line is Webb was a 3rd rounder and Mayfield is a #1 pick. He should be a better QB. His chances of becoming a legit NFL QB are much better historically Wait a second, what? I’m not crowning anyone, point is Webb looks lost and Mayfield looks good. Want to argue that? Never thought of Webb as the heir apparent to Eli, so he didn’t let me down. And you’re right, Mayfield should be better than Webb, never thought that was brought into the conversation. It’s like saying a Porsche is a better car than the Camry. We all know that! No the point is this article showed that this kid (Mayfield) has a chip on his shoulder since day 1. Which I like... And the towel story was funny, a freshman telling another freshman to get a towel. And moral of the story? That freshman who was asked to get the towel, started the season as the starting QB. Gotta love happy endings...
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2018 21:41:31 GMT -5
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases You have some anti-Mayfield bias if you think that the difference in that game was that Fromm outplayed Mayfield I watched the game Fromm made passes in a tight window Mayfied could not most of the time. what I observed in that game was not Bias.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 12, 2018 21:46:18 GMT -5
So it’s ok for Mayfield to be a douche but not Webb? Sounds like your pissed Webb let you down and your crowning Mayfield a bonafied NFL starter. Is it really that hard to believe a scholarship freshman would talk crap to a walk on? The bottom line is Webb was a 3rd rounder and Mayfield is a #1 pick. He should be a better QB. His chances of becoming a legit NFL QB are much better historically Wait a second, what? I’m not crowning anyone, point is Webb looks lost and Mayfield looks good. Want to argue that? Never thought of Webb as the heir apparent to Eli, so he didn’t let me down. And you’re right, Mayfield should be better than Webb, never thought that was brought into the conversation. It’s like saying a Porsche is a better car than the Camry. We all know that! No the point is this article showed that this kid (Mayfield) has a chip on his shoulder since day 1. Which I like... And the towel story was funny, a freshman telling another freshman to get a towel. And moral of the story? That freshman who was asked to get the towel, started the season as the starting QB. Gotta love happy endings... You think being a self-entitled douche is “funny”? I actually think it’s “funny” when a self-entitled douchebag gets his comeuppance. That trickle of pee down his leg during a preseason game while his former “towel boy” is lighting it up was his comeuppance.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Aug 12, 2018 22:00:29 GMT -5
I didn't realize that Webb lost his starting spot to both Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes
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Post by Roswell on Aug 13, 2018 0:42:15 GMT -5
Wait a second, what? I’m not crowning anyone, point is Webb looks lost and Mayfield looks good. Want to argue that? Never thought of Webb as the heir apparent to Eli, so he didn’t let me down. And you’re right, Mayfield should be better than Webb, never thought that was brought into the conversation. It’s like saying a Porsche is a better car than the Camry. We all know that! No the point is this article showed that this kid (Mayfield) has a chip on his shoulder since day 1. Which I like... And the towel story was funny, a freshman telling another freshman to get a towel. And moral of the story? That freshman who was asked to get the towel, started the season as the starting QB. Gotta love happy endings... You think being a self-entitled douche is “funny”? I actually think it’s “funny” when a self-entitled douchebag gets his comeuppance. That trickle of pee down his leg during a preseason game while his former “towel boy” is lighting it up was his comeuppance. Agreed if true.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 13, 2018 0:51:46 GMT -5
Geez you guys with your stats. I watched the game. He led his team up and down the field all day. The Sooner D got torched in the 2nd half.
And what does the Georgia QB have to do with Baker Mayfield?
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases To be fair, Mayfield went up against a much better D in that game than Fromm did. Always found it funny when people say one QB outplayed the other, completely ignoring the Oline play or the relative defense.
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Post by roundabout on Aug 13, 2018 6:39:36 GMT -5
You have some anti-Mayfield bias if you think that the difference in that game was that Fromm outplayed Mayfield I watched the game Fromm made passes in a tight window Mayfied could not most of the time. what I observed in that game was not Bias. Georgia's defense was light years better than oklahoma's D
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2018 6:55:24 GMT -5
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases To be fair, Mayfield went up against a much better D in that game than Fromm did. Always found it funny when people say one QB outplayed the other, completely ignoring the Oline play or the relative defense. Ask the person I commented to if he feels the same way about the Giants QB. He tries to play the coin from both sides. He only uses the said he wants when it is convenient to make his point . He has said numerous times pertaining to the Giants QB the losses are on him. Getting back to the game . If you are playing in a playoff game and you can not beat the defense and the other QB won the game . Is that an excuse. The game went into overtime. Fromm out played him won the Shootout
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2018 7:02:15 GMT -5
I watched the game Fromm made passes in a tight window Mayfied could not most of the time. what I observed in that game was not Bias. Georgia's defense was light years better than oklahoma's D Are you saying he was not up to the challenge. What is he going to do with the Steelers Defense., The Ravens Defense, NE's Defense. The Chiefs' Defense. Are you saying he can't beat a good Defense. In that game if the receiver was not wide open he could not thread the needle. That does not bode well in the NFL. He became disheveled and had to make a childish jester on national TV. I am not making this stuff up that is what he did.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 13, 2018 7:26:20 GMT -5
Georgia's defense was light years better than oklahoma's D Are you saying he was not up to the challenge. What is he going to do with the Steelers Defense., The Ravens Defense, NE's Defense. The Chiefs' Defense. Are you saying he can't beat a good Defense. In that game if the receiver was not wide open he could not thread the needle. That does not bode well in the NFL. He became disheveled and had to make a childish jester on national TV. I am not making this stuff up that is what he did. You are going off the rails here. Who said that he can’t beat a good defense? You are comparing the play of two QB’s in a single game, where the only difference in stats was that Mayfield threw a pick and Fromm did not. You don’t think that it is relevant to your comparison that one QB was playing against a good defense and one QB was playing against a bad defense?
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2018 7:53:24 GMT -5
Wait a second, what? I’m not crowning anyone, point is Webb looks lost and Mayfield looks good. Want to argue that? Never thought of Webb as the heir apparent to Eli, so he didn’t let me down. And you’re right, Mayfield should be better than Webb, never thought that was brought into the conversation. It’s like saying a Porsche is a better car than the Camry. We all know that! No the point is this article showed that this kid (Mayfield) has a chip on his shoulder since day 1. Which I like... And the towel story was funny, a freshman telling another freshman to get a towel. And moral of the story? That freshman who was asked to get the towel, started the season as the starting QB. Gotta love happy endings... You think being a self-entitled douche is “funny”? I actually think it’s “funny” when a self-entitled douchebag gets his comeuppance. That trickle of pee down his leg during a preseason game while his former “towel boy” is lighting it up was his comeuppance. a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 13, 2018 8:00:50 GMT -5
Geez you guys with your stats. I watched the game. He led his team up and down the field all day. The Sooner D got torched in the 2nd half.
And what does the Georgia QB have to do with Baker Mayfield?
Stats? He through a pick. The freshmen did not. I know when facts are used to they suck. I watched the same game . The freshmen beat him and out played him. You can spin it anyway you want. In the end the 19 year old Fromm beat him. I guess your whole "the QB loses" only applies to the Giants QB and not to head cases Again..the Geogia QB has nothing to do with Baker Mayfield. The Georgia kid played a great game. When he comes up for the draft then we can talk. Until then we are talking about Baker Mayfield, who played a great game against Georgia....against a top defense. Mayfield was the most accurate passer coming out in this past draft. He is also the best playmaker...which is why he was drafted 1st overall.
I said from the start that I wanted Mayfield. That I thought he was the best QB in last year's draft. What I saw against us last Thursday was exactly what I was talking about. He threw into tight windows and made plays. Great job of eluding the pass rush as well.
I think the kid is going to be a star in this league. You are free to disagree. We will find out together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 8:03:48 GMT -5
You think being a self-entitled douche is “funny”? I actually think it’s “funny” when a self-entitled douchebag gets his comeuppance. That trickle of pee down his leg during a preseason game while his former “towel boy” is lighting it up was his comeuppance. a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective. Been saying the same thing. Pressure Webb is facing is different and more powerful than what Mayfield is dealing with in this point in their lives. If you’ve ever had true make or break moment in your career (as in, one/limited chances and if you fail you are fired) you know how Webb is feeling right now. Webb is not set for life like Baker.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 13, 2018 8:05:13 GMT -5
You think being a self-entitled douche is “funny”? I actually think it’s “funny” when a self-entitled douchebag gets his comeuppance. That trickle of pee down his leg during a preseason game while his former “towel boy” is lighting it up was his comeuppance. a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective. I think that there is huge pressure on the number one overall pick ... huge ... especially in a town like Cleveland where he will be viewed as the savior. I don’t think the pressure on Webb is even a fraction of that pressure. Just my opinion though ....
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2018 8:13:16 GMT -5
a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective. I think that there is huge pressure on the number one overall pick ... huge ... especially in a town like Cleveland where he will be viewed as the savior. I don’t think the pressure on Webb is even a fraction of that pressure. Just my opinion though .... I thought about that whole aspect as well. But then I tried to break to break it down to the particular moment. I feel Webb is playing for his career and Mayfield isnt....yet. But yes.....I am sure Mayfield felt pressure too
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 13, 2018 8:13:21 GMT -5
a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective. Been saying the same thing. Pressure Webb is facing is different and more powerful than what Mayfield is dealing with in this point in their lives. If you’ve ever had true make or break moment in your career (as in, one/limited chances and if you fail you are fired) you know how Webb is feeling right now. Webb is not set for life like Baker. Baker is under more pressure than any player taken in this draft.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2018 8:17:01 GMT -5
Been saying the same thing. Pressure Webb is facing is different and more powerful than what Mayfield is dealing with in this point in their lives. If you’ve ever had true make or break moment in your career (as in, one/limited chances and if you fail you are fired) you know how Webb is feeling right now. Webb is not set for life like Baker. Baker is under more pressure than any player taken in this draft. Not the moment he isnt. He isnt expected to start even. They have Taylor, who, I know is a stop gap type of situation. Mayfield is not playing for his career this preseason. Not even close. Webb is and he is "not as good". So its do or die for him. With that said Webb may not be capable enough physically or mentally. We will see.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 13, 2018 8:20:13 GMT -5
Baker is under more pressure than any player taken in this draft. Not the moment he isnt. He isnt expected to start even. They have Taylor, who, I know is a stop gap type of situation. Mayfield is not playing for his career this preseason. Not even close. Webb is and he is "not as good". So its do or die for him. With that said Webb may not be capable enough physically or mentally. We will see. Really? He was taken #1..........as a QB...........in Cleveland.
And the great thing about Mayfield is that he embraces it. he loves the big stage. I'm very concerned with our guy having the "jitters" and using it as an excuse for poor play.
I want a guy who comes in to a big spot with some swag and attitude. That's what I want from my QB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 8:31:03 GMT -5
a bit of hyerbole here I think... Webb didnt pee himself and while Mayfield played well he didnt light it up either. Also look at the situations. Webb is a 3rd rounder who, I believe, is actually playing for his career to a degreethis preseason. Way more pressure on him. Odds are he wont make in the NFL. Mayfield is the #1 pick and no one expects much the first outing and being that #1 has a couple of years to prove himself and is a lock for the Browns roster for at least 4 years. Way less pressure for him at the moment. At least thats my perspective. I think that there is huge pressure on the number one overall pick ... huge ... especially in a town like Cleveland where he will be viewed as the savior. I don’t think the pressure on Webb is even a fraction of that pressure. Just my opinion though .... Different type of pressure and at the end of the day he has a lot of support and will get many chances to succeed. There are people whose jobs depend on Baker doing well. Baker already has a bigger contract than Webb will ever get (unless he actually does become a bona-fide) starter Webb has no such extra support. He is certainly being treated great by the Giants and the coaches but at the end of the day he has nothing protecting him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 8:32:55 GMT -5
Not the moment he isnt. He isnt expected to start even. They have Taylor, who, I know is a stop gap type of situation. Mayfield is not playing for his career this preseason. Not even close. Webb is and he is "not as good". So its do or die for him. With that said Webb may not be capable enough physically or mentally. We will see. Really? He was taken #1..........as a QB...........in Cleveland.
And the great thing about Mayfield is that he embraces it. he loves the big stage. I'm very concerned with our guy having the "jitters" and using it as an excuse for poor play.
I want a guy who comes in to a big spot with some swag and attitude. That's what I want from my QB.
Baker has a guaranteed 5 years in the NFL, several of them as a starter. He also has he guarantee of a huge contract and many people supporting him. Webb could be selling used cars by this time next year.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2018 8:37:09 GMT -5
Not the moment he isnt. He isnt expected to start even. They have Taylor, who, I know is a stop gap type of situation. Mayfield is not playing for his career this preseason. Not even close. Webb is and he is "not as good". So its do or die for him. With that said Webb may not be capable enough physically or mentally. We will see. Really? He was taken #1..........as a QB...........in Cleveland.
And the great thing about Mayfield is that he embraces it. he loves the big stage. I'm very concerned with our guy having the "jitters" and using it as an excuse for poor play.
I want a guy who comes in to a big spot with some swag and attitude. That's what I want from my QB.
I guess I look at it like he has pressure of course being the #1 but he also has a long leash. Maybe he is the real deal. A few series in a preseason game isnt the final answer of course on Mayfield. Mayfield's first preseason game with nothing on the line is not a "big spot". Webb's situation was a "bigger spot" comparatively and will continue to be during preseason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 8:42:02 GMT -5
Been saying the same thing. Pressure Webb is facing is different and more powerful than what Mayfield is dealing with in this point in their lives. If you’ve ever had true make or break moment in your career (as in, one/limited chances and if you fail you are fired) you know how Webb is feeling right now. Webb is not set for life like Baker. Baker is under more pressure than any player taken in this draft. And I totally disagree with this also because any player drafted this year in the later rounds that is facing being CUT before their career even begins is facing more pressure than Mayfield or any other 1st rounder who will benefit from a silver spoon/halo effect for at least a few years. Look at our own Ereck Flowers. He is cut a long time ago if he was a 6th rounder. To me real pressure is facing life without professional football. Mayfield is protected from than by many many things in the early years of his career. He is facing pressure but not in the same way...not in a scary way like many guys.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 13, 2018 9:06:48 GMT -5
Really? He was taken #1..........as a QB...........in Cleveland.
And the great thing about Mayfield is that he embraces it. he loves the big stage. I'm very concerned with our guy having the "jitters" and using it as an excuse for poor play.
I want a guy who comes in to a big spot with some swag and attitude. That's what I want from my QB.
Baker has a guaranteed 5 years in the NFL, several of them as a starter. He also has he guarantee of a huge contract and many people supporting him. Webb could be selling used cars by this time next year. Mayfiled has an entire franchise and city on his shoulders. Webb is happy to be in the league.
And BTW...what's wrong with selling cars? My job isn't much more glamorous than that and I've had a very happy and meaningful life.
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