Jaydub
Special Teams
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Post by Jaydub on Aug 15, 2018 5:31:08 GMT -5
You are confusing wins and losses in the preseason, which means nothing...with the quality of the play of the starters. Not me , you brought up their pre season play being relative to the regular season.I don't care about the pre season. Focus on individual match ups, particularly on the OL. For the last several years, guys were badly losing in one on one blocking assignments during the pre-season. The entire line was going backwards instead of forwards, and when that happens, take a guess on whats going to transpire. Sure, the pre-season may not mean anything to you, but there are several aspects of these games that give us all a glimpse of what may be coming. The OL has been the perfect example of proof that what I'm saying is true, as the same bad tendencies carried right into the last several regular seasons, and thats only one example. If you want to dismiss the pre-season as no big deal, thats your choice, but I wouldn't be so quick to blow it off as completely meaningless.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 15, 2018 6:25:10 GMT -5
You are confusing wins and losses in the preseason, which means nothing...with the quality of the play of the starters. Not me , you brought up their pre season play being relative to the regular season.I don't care about the pre season. I'd like to see our guys play well. Unfortunately, over the past 5 years, their poor play in preseason has tended to extend into the regular season.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 15, 2018 7:23:36 GMT -5
as far as preseason it all depends on what is "looking bad". Is the OL just getting obliterated? Is the DL lazy and ineffective? Is the QB just piss poor all around? In preseason its the game within the game that has to be watched and "judged".
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Post by Jomo on Aug 15, 2018 19:02:26 GMT -5
Not me , you brought up their pre season play being relative to the regular season.I don't care about the pre season. I'd like to see our guys play well. Unfortunately, over the past 5 years, their poor play in preseason has tended to extend into the regular season.
That is a true statement. Sometimes (most times) it is hard to sort out what is actually going on in pre-season with so much mixing and matching personnel. It is reasonable to discount poor outcomes in pre-season on the basis of this or that or the other thing. Sometimes those excuses are on the money but more often than not they are rationalizations for poor personnel and/or poor coaching...……...and a bad omen for the season.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Aug 15, 2018 21:26:15 GMT -5
How is Baker going to react in Heinz field ,when the Steelers' fans start chanting Towel boy. This guy is should not have said that. Reminds me of Goodfellas - "Now go home and get your shine box!" 👞
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 15, 2018 22:26:52 GMT -5
I hope this lights a fire under Webb
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2018 7:01:28 GMT -5
I hope this lights a fire under Webb I dont think "fire" is an issue for Webb. He is maybe trying too hard? IDK. Or maybe he just doesnt have "it". Some QBs cant handle the "real" game. Actually most cant and thats why they dont make it....no matter what their draft position was.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 16, 2018 15:57:58 GMT -5
You are very good at ignoring the obvious when it comes to the team last year. Just like people gave to much credit for the 11-5 season the year before. In the last 6 years, our first teamers have stunk in the preseason. In 5 of those 6 years, we have had losing seasons.
I'm not ignoring anything. I understand that preseason doesn't count and what happens then needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I truly do. But give me a string of winning seasons and then we can discount preseason in the way you seem to be suggesting. In recent history, our play in preseason has been matching our regular season play pretty closely.
my feelings about losing in pre season are that if teams could play better they would, nobody wants to lose a game just because its pre season, I understand all the reasons why teams lose in pre season but you have to guard against creating and accepting a losing mentality....
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2018 18:24:58 GMT -5
Preseason or not...Baker Mayfield is the real deal and barring injury, will be a force in this league.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 16, 2018 21:29:53 GMT -5
Preseason or not...Baker Mayfield is the real deal and barring injury, will be a force in this league. Agreed. And it’s because he has all of the qualities that cannot be measured. And some of the ones that you can.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2018 21:31:46 GMT -5
Preseason or not...Baker Mayfield is the real deal and barring injury, will be a force in this league. Agreed. And it’s because he has all of the qualities that cannot be measured. And some of the ones that you can. Exactly. Intangibles off the charts. (if that makes sense)
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Post by Roswell on Aug 16, 2018 21:36:51 GMT -5
Agreed. And it’s because he has all of the qualities that cannot be measured. And some of the ones that you can. Exactly. Intangibles off the charts. (if that makes sense)
It makes sense and it wins games. One could argue that the immeasurables oft times are more important than the measurables. Couldn’t one?
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 24, 2018 11:53:36 GMT -5
Mayfield: 8-12 76yds 1 Int. Towel boy supreme is gonna be in for a long yr in Cleveland when he's playing nothing but the starters all game & not the backups & scrubs.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 12:03:23 GMT -5
Mayfield: 8-12 76yds 1 Int. Towel boy supreme is gonna be in for a long yr in Cleveland when he's playing nothing but the starters all game & not the backups & scrubs. Are you really using stats from a preseason game in his rookie year to determine what kind of season he's in for?
Really?
BTW...Did you watch him torch our defense?
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 12:19:39 GMT -5
Mayfield: 8-12 76yds 1 Int. Towel boy supreme is gonna be in for a long yr in Cleveland when he's playing nothing but the starters all game &
BTW...Did you watch him torch our defense?
Are you really using stats from a preseason game in his rookie year to determine what kind of season he's in for? Really? Sounds the same when presented like this I would not even use if he as a bad or good 1st season as a window into what he will be. Peyton was bad in his first season RG3 looked good.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 12:30:17 GMT -5
BTW...Did you watch him torch our defense?
Are you really using stats from a preseason game in his rookie year to determine what kind of season he's in for? Really? Sounds the same when presented like this I would not even use if he as a bad or good 1st season as a window into what he will be. Peyton was bad in his first season RG3 looked good. ...and do we remember how horrible Eli looked his first season?
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 12:37:51 GMT -5
Are you really using stats from a preseason game in his rookie year to determine what kind of season he's in for? Really? Sounds the same when presented like this I would not even use if he as a bad or good 1st season as a window into what he will be. Peyton was bad in his first season RG3 looked good. ...and do we remember how horrible Eli looked his first season?
he did . It is learning the game and how the Qb responds to it.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 12:39:46 GMT -5
...and do we remember how horrible Eli looked his first season?
he did . It is learning the game and how the Qb responds to it. I'm sorry...Who is "he" in this scenario?
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Post by GameTime on Aug 24, 2018 12:43:27 GMT -5
QBs are such a gamble I am glad we drafted Barkley....... hee hee
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Post by jaymas on Aug 24, 2018 12:43:52 GMT -5
Mayfield: 8-12 76yds 1 Int. Towel boy supreme is gonna be in for a long yr in Cleveland when he's playing nothing but the starters all game & not the backups & scrubs. Are you really using stats from a preseason game in his rookie year to determine what kind of season he's in for?
Really?
BTW...Did you watch him torch our defense?
Not that you were doing this, you weren't...but this is the exact thing people were doing to Davis Webb after a crappy preseason game. In fact we're in one of the threads that was a part of one of the most bizarre overreactions I've ever seen on this young board or the old one. The point, obviously, is no matter who it is, using a single preseason game to make blanket assessments of any player is most likely pretty stupid. Especially someone with the talent and draft position of Mayfield or to me the arm talent and attitude of a Davis Webb. And I don't even really care for Baker Mayfield.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 12:44:41 GMT -5
he did . It is learning the game and how the Qb responds to it. I'm sorry...Who is "he" in this scenario? Did you not make an Eli reference?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 12:51:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry...Who is "he" in this scenario? Did you not make an Eli reference? thought you meant that poster. Yes young players need to learn and develop.
To quote some benign stats from half of a preseason game in your rookie season as some precursor for future play seems so foolish, it has to be the product of an agenda, and not based on logical thought.
Wouldn't you agree?
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 12:58:13 GMT -5
Did you not make an Eli reference? thought you meant that poster. Yes young players need to learn and develop.
To quote some benign stats from half of a preseason game in your rookie season as some precursor for future play seems so foolish, it has to be the product of an agenda, and not based on logical thought.
Wouldn't you agree?
I do not think you know what the QB is until mid way through his 2nd season. Rookie QBs can be boneheaded and at times look brilliant.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 24, 2018 13:01:43 GMT -5
thought you meant that poster. Yes young players need to learn and develop.
To quote some benign stats from half of a preseason game in your rookie season as some precursor for future play seems so foolish, it has to be the product of an agenda, and not based on logical thought.
Wouldn't you agree?
I do not think you know what the QB is until mid way through his 2nd season. Rookie QBs can be boneheaded and at times look brilliant.same for seasoned vets....lol
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 13:07:32 GMT -5
I do not think you know what the QB is until mid way through his 2nd season. Rookie QBs can be boneheaded and at times look brilliant.same for seasoned vets....lol They all can be. I have see Brady throw some quacking ducks. The difference a good NFL QB can when he needs to put the team on his back and win. Eli did it playoffs and in those 2 end of the 4th quarter drives in the SBs
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 24, 2018 13:07:32 GMT -5
I was trying to show the BS hypocrisy some of you have when it comes to our QBs, the sec they have a bad game in the preseason, you crucify the guy while praising the rookie QB that played well vs us but as soon as that same rookie QB has a bad preseason game, you pull the " you really gonna judge him by this" card while using it on our QB. Sorry you're still butthurt the Giants didn't draft QB #1 this yr, get over it!
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 13:20:29 GMT -5
I was trying to show the BS hypocrisy some of you have when it comes to our QBs, the sec they have a bad game in the preseason, you crucify the guy while praising the rookie QB that played well vs us but as soon as that same rookie QB has a bad preseason game, you pull the " you really gonna judge him by this" card while using it on our QB. Sorry you're still butthurt the Giants didn't draft QB #1 this yr, get over it! ..By citing a brief stat line from a preseason game? If you were trying to point out hypocrisy from other posters you did a horribly poor job. What you did was claim that a stat line in a preseason game for a rookie QB offered some very direct insight into his success in the future. All you succeeded in doing was make a foolish and silly point.
No one is "butthurt" over a draft. I'm not even sure what one is supposed to feel when they're "butthurt". Seems a silly word actually. Now some of us question the wisdom of the decision made to pass on a QB...that is absolutely true.
I used the example of Eli's play early on because he turned into a championship QB later in his career to counter your argument. Do you disagree?
When I see a young QB play well, I see his potential. When I see him move well in the pocket and throw with accuracy, I see a guy who has the tools to be a solid NFL QB. When I see him make mistakes I see a rookie who is learning. It's all part of the process.
I'm not sure what hypocrisy your posts are supposed to expose.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 24, 2018 13:24:41 GMT -5
I was trying to show the BS hypocrisy some of you have when it comes to our QBs, the sec they have a bad game in the preseason, you crucify the guy while praising the rookie QB that played well vs us but as soon as that same rookie QB has a bad preseason game, you pull the " you really gonna judge him by this" card while using it on our QB. Sorry you're still butthurt the Giants didn't draft QB #1 this yr, get over it! ..By citing a brief stat line from a preseason game? If you were trying to point out hypocrisy from other posters you did a horribly poor job. What you did was claim that a stat line in a preseason game for a rookie QB offered some very direct insight into his success in the future. All you succeeded in doing was make a foolish and silly point.
No one is "butthurt" over a draft. I'm not even sure what one is supposed to feel when they're "butthurt". Seems a silly word actually. Now some of us question the wisdom of the decision made to pass on a QB...that is absolutely true.
I used the example of Eli's play early on because he turned into a championship QB later in his career to counter your argument. Do you disagree?
When I see a young QB play well, I see his potential. When I see him move well in the pocket and throw with accuracy, I see a guy who has the tools to be a solid NFL QB. When I see him make mistakes I see a rookie who is learning. It's all part of the process.
I'm not sure what hypocrisy your posts are supposed to expose.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 24, 2018 13:25:11 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 24, 2018 13:27:04 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts. its not really hypocrisy. Its typical fan blather. Happens all the time, every season, every draft. Happens all the time on the Game Day thread from play to play and series to series.
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