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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 13:34:32 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts. The knock on Webb was his pocket presence. I still haven't sen that improve. But he can spin it and he can drop it over defenders. He showed that at Cal and last week as well. Personally I am concerned when he used that "jittery" excuse. All NFL QB's get the jitters, as do a lot of athletes. Learning to overcome them, or even embrace them is a huge part of succeeding.
And everything I saw from Mayfield at OK I've seen with the Browns. I love the kid and wish he was on our team. The kid has a lot of game. Obviously, the game needs to slow down for him as it does for all young QB's and he needs to learn to make better decisions. That's part of the learning process.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2018 14:27:36 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts. Do you dispute that Webb sucked in that game?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 14:36:39 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts. I'll be honest my friend, I have a problem with posters who seem to think their mission on our MB is to point out hypocrisy among other posters. That's too much like our old MB and I'd like to keep that to a minimum. It got way too unpleasant at times over there. I'm sure you're a good guy, but this is generally not healthy for these boards.
I don't mind the conspiracy theories about refs fixing games and schedule makers purposely giving us a tough schedule, but let's keep the one man hypocrisy hunting to a minimum.
We want folks to post here without being called hypocrites because you disagree with them.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 24, 2018 14:49:33 GMT -5
Amazing how Giants fans will give Mayfield the benefit of the doubt but not Webb.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 24, 2018 15:04:25 GMT -5
Read all the "Webb sucks" posts after the Browns pre-season game & "Mayfield is gonna be great" posts. Do you dispute that Webb sucked in that game? Course he did, but I wasn't writing him off like some of you were while praising Mayfield's game vs a Vanilla D. Reminds me too much how the everyone was in love with Dak in 16' & anointing him the "chosen one". Same thing with RG3 in his rookie season.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 24, 2018 15:06:18 GMT -5
Amazing how Giants fans will give Mayfield the benefit of the doubt but not Webb. to me there isn’t a lot of doubt about Mayfield. Webb obviously has a lot to prove. But if Webb could be the guy that would solve a lot of problems for us in the long term.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 24, 2018 16:25:39 GMT -5
Amazing how Giants fans will give Mayfield the benefit of the doubt but not Webb. to me there isn’t a lot of doubt about Mayfield. Webb obviously has a lot to prove. But if Webb could be the guy that would solve a lot of problems for us in the long term. Mayfield has as much to prove as Webb.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2018 18:37:33 GMT -5
Do you dispute that Webb sucked in that game? Course he did, but I wasn't writing him off like some of you were while praising Mayfield's game vs a Vanilla D. Reminds me too much how the everyone was in love with Dak in 16' & anointing him the "chosen one". Same thing with RG3 in his rookie season. Webb played poorly that game and Mayfield played well. Not sure why this is too complex for you to understand.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2018 18:38:39 GMT -5
to me there isn’t a lot of doubt about Mayfield. Webb obviously has a lot to prove. But if Webb could be the guy that would solve a lot of problems for us in the long term. Mayfield has as much to prove as Webb. How fast would you trade Webb for Mayfield?
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Post by Speedman on Aug 24, 2018 23:08:22 GMT -5
Mayfield has as much to prove as Webb. How fast would you trade Webb for Mayfield? Not sure that I would. To me they both have to show more.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 25, 2018 7:17:41 GMT -5
How fast would you trade Webb for Mayfield? Not sure that I would. To me they both have to show more. Ok - you have lost all credibility on this subject
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 7:20:11 GMT -5
Mayfield has as much to prove as Webb. How fast would you trade Webb for Mayfield? what does that question have to do with his comment?
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 25, 2018 7:37:37 GMT -5
In a hearbeat. Mayfield has moxy out there and it shows. The biggest concern about him for me is the aggression to want to lengthen the play and chooses to run. Unfortunately, he is gonna find out the hard way the these are mack trucks crashing into your body. Wentz found out the hard way along with RG3 etc. Learn to scan then extend side to side, if its not there then there is always a next play. The league needs replacements for these old timers. Learn from them and you will be an old timer.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 25, 2018 7:40:45 GMT -5
Not sure that I would. To me they both have to show more. Ok - you have lost all credibility on this subject Because I disagree with your opinion of Mayfield? I will try to remember next time that you are the QB expert with the crystal ball.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 25, 2018 7:44:07 GMT -5
Mayfield has as much to prove as Webb. Yes and no, I say that becuase one is a number one draft pick over all and the other was a round # 3 pick. One is trying to prove he is the starter the other is trying to prove he is the heir apparent . Both have a tough job. Both need to prove that they can be good QB’s in this league.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 25, 2018 7:44:31 GMT -5
How fast would you trade Webb for Mayfield? what does that question have to do with his comment? More importantly, what does your question have to do with my question to his comment to Morehead’s post?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 25, 2018 7:50:27 GMT -5
Ok - you have lost all credibility on this subject Because I disagree with your opinion of Mayfield? I will try to remember next time that you are the QB expert with the crystal ball. There is no football person on earth who wouldn’t trade Webb for Mayfield in a half a second. The fact that you would even hesitate shows that on this issue you have lost your objectivity. Hence, no credibility on the subject. Please advise if you require additional explanation.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 25, 2018 8:17:27 GMT -5
Because I disagree with your opinion of Mayfield? I will try to remember next time that you are the QB expert with the crystal ball. There is no football person on earth who wouldn’t trade Webb for Mayfield in a half a second. The fact that you would even hesitate shows that on this issue you have lost your objectivity. Hence, no credibility on the subject. Please advise if you require additional explanation. I need additional explanation. What are you basing Mayfield’s worth on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 9:31:16 GMT -5
what does that question have to do with his comment? More importantly, what does your question have to do with my question to his comment to Morehead’s post? yeah you’re the king of irrelevant questions.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 26, 2018 9:35:44 GMT -5
There is no football person on earth who wouldn’t trade Webb for Mayfield in a half a second. The fact that you would even hesitate shows that on this issue you have lost your objectivity. Hence, no credibility on the subject. Please advise if you require additional explanation. I need additional explanation. What are you basing Mayfield’s worth on? Still waiting for your answer.
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2018 11:43:39 GMT -5
Because I disagree with your opinion of Mayfield? I will try to remember next time that you are the QB expert with the crystal ball. There is no football person on earth who wouldn’t trade Webb for Mayfield in a half a second. The fact that you would even hesitate shows that on this issue you have lost your objectivity. Hence, no credibility on the subject. Please advise if you require additional explanation. What are you judging this upon ? I asked Moorhead these exact Questions in a different thread. Would you have traded Chad Pennington (Pick 18) in the 2000 Daft for Tom Brady during the preseason? Would you have traded RG3 ( Pick 2) for Russell Willison in the 2012 Draft during the preseason? According to your planet theory . Everyone football person on Earth would have been incorrect with those trades. I will explain my point now . You can make assumptions on what a QB will be. That does not necessarily suggest they are the right assumptions. Those scenarios are 2 of many I could have used. It does not mean you are wrong but it also does not mean you are correct. At this point in time it is all just friendly debate. Only time will reveal the truth.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 26, 2018 12:03:50 GMT -5
There is no football person on earth who wouldn’t trade Webb for Mayfield in a half a second. The fact that you would even hesitate shows that on this issue you have lost your objectivity. Hence, no credibility on the subject. Please advise if you require additional explanation. What are you judging this upon ? I asked Moorhead these exact Questions in a different thread. Would you have traded Chad Pennington (Pick 18) in the 2000 Daft for Tom Brady during the preseason? Would you have traded RG3 ( Pick 2) for Russell Willison in the 2012 Draft during the preseason? According to your planet theory . Everyone football person on Earth would have been incorrect with those trades. I will explain my point now . You can make assumptions on what a QB will be. That does not necessarily suggest they are the right assumptions. Those scenarios are 2 of many I could have used. It does not mean you are wrong but it also does not mean you are correct. At this point in time it is all just friendly debate. Only time will reveal the truth. I am basing this on having watched Mayfield play. The question was whether you would trade Webb straight-up for Mayfield NOW. Are you telling me that you would turn down this trade NOW if Cleveland was dumb enough to offer it?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 26, 2018 12:37:05 GMT -5
I need additional explanation. What are you basing Mayfield’s worth on? Still waiting for your answer. I can't speak for TCHOF but I base my high opinion of Baker Mayfiled on his game.
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2018 12:48:26 GMT -5
What are you judging this upon ? I asked Moorhead these exact Questions in a different thread. Would you have traded Chad Pennington (Pick 18) in the 2000 Daft for Tom Brady during the preseason? Would you have traded RG3 ( Pick 2) for Russell Willison in the 2012 Draft during the preseason? According to your planet theory . Everyone football person on Earth would have been incorrect with those trades. I will explain my point now . You can make assumptions on what a QB will be. That does not necessarily suggest they are the right assumptions. Those scenarios are 2 of many I could have used. It does not mean you are wrong but it also does not mean you are correct. At this point in time it is all just friendly debate. Only time will reveal the truth. I am basing this on having watched Mayfield play. The question was whether you would trade Webb straight-up for Mayfield NOW. Are you telling me that you would turn down this trade NOW if Cleveland was dumb enough to offer it? Yes I would. Not based upon what your assumptions are. But more based upon the logic of the situation. Baker is due to make 6 million As of today we have - $729,250 in cap space with the 51 Webb would free up $629,151 We still have a - $ 100,000 deficit A trade after June 1st for Mayfield would cost us $5,462,360 Who do we cut off the 51 to free 5.5 million? At least one or two Starters would have to be cut. Remember we still nee to fill those roster spots . That will cost a minimum of $600,000 per player not to mention we lose a starter.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 26, 2018 15:28:10 GMT -5
I am basing this on having watched Mayfield play. The question was whether you would trade Webb straight-up for Mayfield NOW. Are you telling me that you would turn down this trade NOW if Cleveland was dumb enough to offer it? Yes I would. Not based upon what your assumptions are. But more based upon the logic of the situation. Baker is due to make 6 million As of today we have - $729,250 in cap space with the 51 Webb would free up $629,151 We still have a - $ 100,000 deficit A trade after June 1st for Mayfield would cost us $5,462,360 Who do we cut off the 51 to free 5.5 million? At least one or two Starters would have to be cut. Remember we still nee to fill those roster spots . That will cost a minimum of $600,000 per player not to mention we lose a starter. Ok ... I’m out
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