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Post by Easy E on Aug 19, 2018 20:18:43 GMT -5
VERY ANNOYING! They were obviously announcers for the Lions games. Yep big time homers but aren't most local guys that cover their team that way? Papa & Banks are homers to a degree. They didn't like it when the Giants started piling the points on tbem. Chris Spielman did the color commentary for the game and he was over the top with his homerism. Yelling "Get'em Jarrad(Davis)!! on the first Giants offensive play of the game. Hahaha! He apologize to the play by play man realizing he was getting over excited. He also got really pissed off just before Davis Webb's QB sneak...."Come on guys, they are running a QB sneak. Stop it! Cover the center and guards, bring the LBs up!!". It was truly hilarious and annoying at the same time.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 19, 2018 21:48:27 GMT -5
Just saying, last week I was reading these ignorant comments from some of you, you all know who you are, that the Giants screwed up in not getting a QB in the draft & that we should go out & get a vet QB as Eli's backup. Week later, I see the same posters now praising Webb. IMO, you're bandwagoners. The guy showed he can be as good as any of the QBs drafted this yr & that's why DG drafted SB. He & Shurmer have confidence in Webb & in Lauetta whom they drafted. IMO, Eli should just play the 1st qt vs the Jets & then I wanna see Webb play qts 2-3 & give Lauetta the 4th. Then let both those QBs split a half in game 4 vs NE. I like our QB situation & have complete confidence that should Eli struggle or go down to injury, that Webb can come in & win football games for us, especially with the weapons he will have at his disposal. Let's not forget that unlike Eli, Webb will be able to get us 1st downs with his legs should a play break down. The presence of Webb on this team had no impact whatsoever on the Giant’s decision not to draft a QB. So people who don’t agree with you are ignorant? Well, I guess that’s the climate that we are in today.... If you want to go ahead and proclaim Webb as our savior after one awful performance and one good one, go right ahead. Most of us, though, are not willing to take such a leap after one bad preseason game and one good one. Personally, I was pleased that he showed improvement and was apparently able to overcome the preseason “jitters” that had paralyzed him the week before, but I still have serious doubts as to whether he will be a starting caliber NFL QB, much less a championship caliber one .... Where did I say I'm proclaiming him our starter? Dak was a 4th rd pick, despite everyone anointing him the next Cowgirl's franchise QB, I still say he's never gonna be more than a game manager. I feel that Webb is at least as good as Dak or even better. He is a more confident QB in the pocket & can throw downfield more accurately than Dak. He was also drafted 1 rd earlier than Dak. Who's to say he's not better?
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 20, 2018 2:31:48 GMT -5
Yep big time homers but aren't most local guys that cover their team that way? Papa & Banks are homers to a degree. They didn't like it when the Giants started piling the points on tbem. Chris Spielman did the color commentary for the game and he was over the top with his homerism. Yelling "Get'em Jarrad(Davis)!! on the first Giants offensive play of the game. Hahaha! He apologize to the play by play man realizing he was getting over excited. He also got really pissed off just before Davis Webb's QB sneak...."Come on guys, they are running a QB sneak. Stop it! Cover the center and guards, bring the LBs up!!". It was truly hilarious and annoying at the same time.
yes and on the big breakaway on their FG drive early in game on a screen pass he yells "THERE IT IS"!!!!!! LOL And he was remarkably upset on the Giants TDs
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 4:38:43 GMT -5
The presence of Webb on this team had no impact whatsoever on the Giant’s decision not to draft a QB. So people who don’t agree with you are ignorant? Well, I guess that’s the climate that we are in today.... If you want to go ahead and proclaim Webb as our savior after one awful performance and one good one, go right ahead. Most of us, though, are not willing to take such a leap after one bad preseason game and one good one. Personally, I was pleased that he showed improvement and was apparently able to overcome the preseason “jitters” that had paralyzed him the week before, but I still have serious doubts as to whether he will be a starting caliber NFL QB, much less a championship caliber one .... Where did I say I'm proclaiming him our starter? Dak was a 4th rd pick, despite everyone anointing him the next Cowgirl's franchise QB, I still say he's never gonna be more than a game manager. I feel that Webb is at least as good as Dak or even better. He is a more confident QB in the pocket & can throw downfield more accurately than Dak. He was also drafted 1 rd earlier than Dak. Who's to say he's not better? lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching
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Post by Roswell on Aug 20, 2018 6:14:03 GMT -5
About all we can say about Webb at this point is that he has the ability to play poorly and the ability to play well.
But that’s a lot more than we were able to say after week 1.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 6:42:24 GMT -5
Just saying, last week I was reading these ignorant comments from some of you, you all know who you are, that the Giants screwed up in not getting a QB in the draft & that we should go out & get a vet QB as Eli's backup. Week later, I see the same posters now praising Webb. IMO, you're bandwagoners. The guy showed he can be as good as any of the QBs drafted this yr & that's why DG drafted SB. He & Shurmer have confidence in Webb & in Lauetta whom they drafted. IMO, Eli should just play the 1st qt vs the Jets & then I wanna see Webb play qts 2-3 & give Lauetta the 4th. Then let both those QBs split a half in game 4 vs NE. I like our QB situation & have complete confidence that should Eli struggle or go down to injury, that Webb can come in & win football games for us, especially with the weapons he will have at his disposal. Let's not forget that unlike Eli, Webb will be able to get us 1st downs with his legs should a play break down. He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 20, 2018 7:00:00 GMT -5
Just saying, last week I was reading these ignorant comments from some of you, you all know who you are, that the Giants screwed up in not getting a QB in the draft & that we should go out & get a vet QB as Eli's backup. Week later, I see the same posters now praising Webb. IMO, you're bandwagoners. The guy showed he can be as good as any of the QBs drafted this yr & that's why DG drafted SB. He & Shurmer have confidence in Webb & in Lauetta whom they drafted. IMO, Eli should just play the 1st qt vs the Jets & then I wanna see Webb play qts 2-3 & give Lauetta the 4th. Then let both those QBs split a half in game 4 vs NE. I like our QB situation & have complete confidence that should Eli struggle or go down to injury, that Webb can come in & win football games for us, especially with the weapons he will have at his disposal. Let's not forget that unlike Eli, Webb will be able to get us 1st downs with his legs should a play break down. He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
I agree, I think that the FO was simply not impressed enough with the QBs available to skip out on Saquon, who they think the world of.
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Post by TEM on Aug 20, 2018 7:02:30 GMT -5
He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
I agree, I think that the FO was simply not impressed enough with the QBs available to skip out on Saquon, who they think the world of. That is exactly what it was.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 7:39:42 GMT -5
He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
I agree, I think that the FO was simply not impressed enough with the QBs available to skip out on Saquon, who they think the world of. I don't think it had much of anything to do with their opinion of the QB's in last year's draft. I think they fell in love with Barkley and they were willing to sacrifice the long term for the short.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2018 8:07:23 GMT -5
most fans would hope that they find a gem in the mid rounds when it comes to QBs but more times than not it doesnt happen. With Webb and Lauletta of course the jury is still out. SB was a "safe" choice in regards to an RB of his talent level should have an immediate and positive impact on the offense. Not nearly the gamble of a QB but of course with less long term and overall value than a possible franchise QB.
But this year is all about what coaches, Eli, and this offense can produce. The same can be said for defense.
I like to read all the posts on here about what the FO "should" have done etc. I dont get too caught up in that because whats done is done.
If the preseason keeps making positive progress that in itself is more than we have seen over the past several seasons.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 20, 2018 8:29:23 GMT -5
Just saying, last week I was reading these ignorant comments from some of you, you all know who you are, that the Giants screwed up in not getting a QB in the draft & that we should go out & get a vet QB as Eli's backup. Week later, I see the same posters now praising Webb. IMO, you're bandwagoners. The guy showed he can be as good as any of the QBs drafted this yr & that's why DG drafted SB. He & Shurmer have confidence in Webb & in Lauetta whom they drafted. IMO, Eli should just play the 1st qt vs the Jets & then I wanna see Webb play qts 2-3 & give Lauetta the 4th. Then let both those QBs split a half in game 4 vs NE. I like our QB situation & have complete confidence that should Eli struggle or go down to injury, that Webb can come in & win football games for us, especially with the weapons he will have at his disposal. Let's not forget that unlike Eli, Webb will be able to get us 1st downs with his legs should a play break down. Great post
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 9:35:11 GMT -5
He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
You can not say that , you do not know. To say already having Eli and Webb did not impact their decision to NOT DRAFT a QB" is just not true . Now understand I am not saying Webb is the answer or that his play against Detroit was a reason for anything but to say the Giants didn't look at their QB situation and think we can do this and take Barkley if there is nuts! Where did he say that having Eli didn’t factor into the decision not to take a QB?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 9:35:45 GMT -5
Just saying, last week I was reading these ignorant comments from some of you, you all know who you are, that the Giants screwed up in not getting a QB in the draft & that we should go out & get a vet QB as Eli's backup. Week later, I see the same posters now praising Webb. IMO, you're bandwagoners. The guy showed he can be as good as any of the QBs drafted this yr & that's why DG drafted SB. He & Shurmer have confidence in Webb & in Lauetta whom they drafted. IMO, Eli should just play the 1st qt vs the Jets & then I wanna see Webb play qts 2-3 & give Lauetta the 4th. Then let both those QBs split a half in game 4 vs NE. I like our QB situation & have complete confidence that should Eli struggle or go down to injury, that Webb can come in & win football games for us, especially with the weapons he will have at his disposal. Let's not forget that unlike Eli, Webb will be able to get us 1st downs with his legs should a play break down. Great post lol
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 9:39:35 GMT -5
He looked more competent. That's all I would say. He made two nice deep throws. To me his looks like he could be a solid back up QB in this league. Maybe he could come in and keep a team together until a starter comes back. But I see nothing that would suggest he can be an effective starter, but time will tell. Nothing is impossible.
Either way, Davis Webb had no impact in any way on the decision to not draft a QB at #2. Not a single thing. To look at Webb's performance Friday as some affirmation of drafting Saquan Barkley is silly.
You can not say that , you do not know. To say already having Eli and Webb did not impact their decision to NOT DRAFT a QB" is just not true . Now understand I am not saying Webb is the answer or that his play against Detroit was a reason for anything but to say the Giants didn't look at their QB situation and think we can do this and take Barkley if there is nuts! If you remember the first press conferences of both Gettleman and Shurmer you may remember that they talked as if they barely knew who Davis Webb was. They also obviously had very little info on him since the old regime was gone. It would be almost impossible to imagine that they had developed an opinion based on such limited information that Webb might be a possible starter down the road. That seems far fetched at best.
I think they are just hoping they can get a few more years out of Eli and deal with QB at a later time.
Again...it's my opinion that they sacrificed the long term for the short term.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 9:45:53 GMT -5
Where did he say that having Eli didn’t factor into the decision not to take a QB? Are you saying that the Giants didn't or did look at Webb when deciding to draft a QB or not? Personally I don't think Davis Webb had anything to do with it. It was all about the hope that Eli could play a few more years.
If they for a second considered that Webb could be a starter, as any basis for not drafting a QB, that would be GM malpractice. They didn't have anything close to enough information to make that call.
Webb was irrelevant to that call. That was about Eli and the hope he could continue for a while.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 9:47:27 GMT -5
If you remember the first press conferences of both Gettleman and Shurmer you may remember that they talked as if they barely knew who Davis Webb was. They also obviously had very little info on him since the old regime was gone. It would be almost impossible to imagine that they had developed an opinion based on such limited information that Webb might be a possible starter down the road. That seems far fetched at best.
I think they are just hoping they can get a few more years out of Eli and deal with QB at a later time.
Again...it's my opinion that they sacrificed the long term for the short term.
Actually I remember both of them saying they knew a bunch about Webb from their previous teams who were looking at him in their drafts. "a bunch"? Please. They said they had seen tape of him at Cal. That's all.
Do you think they are stupid enough to use that as a basis for not taking a QB? really?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 9:52:42 GMT -5
Where did I say I'm proclaiming him our starter? Dak was a 4th rd pick, despite everyone anointing him the next Cowgirl's franchise QB, I still say he's never gonna be more than a game manager. I feel that Webb is at least as good as Dak or even better. He is a more confident QB in the pocket & can throw downfield more accurately than Dak. He was also drafted 1 rd earlier than Dak. Who's to say he's not better? lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching He looked extremely confident in the pocket against Detroit. Not so much the week before, but I take him at his word about being a little nervous against the Browns. There isn't enough tape on Webb to determine his pocket confidence yet, but his game against Detroit was a positive sign. He showed off the arm, good touch on the deep passes and looked calm. In fact, all the QB played well enough. Eli has never consistently looked comfortable in the pocket, even during the SB years, but he's still been a good QB otherwise. Lighten up a bit on Webb. He may turn out be what the team needs after Eli hangs it up.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 10:13:02 GMT -5
"a bunch"? Please. They said they had seen tape of him at Cal. That's all.
Do you think they are stupid enough to use that as a basis for not taking a QB? really?
LOL, so Webb didn't play any pre season with the Giants last year,..........none? Isn't tape of any of these rookie QB's from college all anyone has??? No one...even today..has ANY idea if Davis Webb can be a starting NFL QB. Not the FO, coaching staff or any fans. There is simply not even close to enough info. I have far too much respect for the Giants brain trust to believe they would base any decision about our future QB on the tiny sample size they have of Webb's play.
Do you really believe they looked at film of his play in last season's preseason to draw ANY conclusions of the kid's potential to be a starter in this league?
I find that impossible to believe.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 20, 2018 10:17:01 GMT -5
laugh all you want. You were brutal on the old boards and I see nothing has changed with the new ones. Sorry you hate Webb so much and are still in love with Darnold. Get over it.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 10:21:20 GMT -5
laugh all you want. You were brutal on the old boards and I see nothing has changed with the new ones. Sorry you hate Webb so much and are still in love with Darnold. Get over it. These kinds of posts will not fly my friend.
And TCHOF is far from brutal. He's one of the best posters we have. let's not go down this road with this personal nonsense.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 20, 2018 10:28:33 GMT -5
laugh all you want. You were brutal on the old boards and I see nothing has changed with the new ones. Sorry you hate Webb so much and are still in love with Darnold. Get over it. These kinds of posts will not fly my friend.
And TCHOF is far from brutal. He's one of the best posters we have. let's not go down this road with this personal nonsense.
Your third sentence is laughable. If he's going to dish it out, then he should be able to take it.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 10:32:02 GMT -5
These kinds of posts will not fly my friend.
And TCHOF is far from brutal. He's one of the best posters we have. let's not go down this road with this personal nonsense.
Your third sentence is laughable. If he's going to dish it out, then he should be able to take it. I'm sure he's fine with what you said. I am not.. I'm sure he couldn't possibly care less. I am simply informing you about what is and what is not acceptable on this MB.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 20, 2018 11:23:01 GMT -5
Where did I say I'm proclaiming him our starter? Dak was a 4th rd pick, despite everyone anointing him the next Cowgirl's franchise QB, I still say he's never gonna be more than a game manager. I feel that Webb is at least as good as Dak or even better. He is a more confident QB in the pocket & can throw downfield more accurately than Dak. He was also drafted 1 rd earlier than Dak. Who's to say he's not better? lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2018 11:28:06 GMT -5
lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack. great points.... AND he's a 3rd round pick so a long shot to make it as an NFL starter to begin with
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 11:34:58 GMT -5
Where did he say that having Eli didn’t factor into the decision not to take a QB? Are you saying that the Giants didn't or did look at Webb when deciding to draft a QB or not? They absolutely did not.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 11:41:44 GMT -5
laugh all you want. You were brutal on the old boards and I see nothing has changed with the new ones. Sorry you hate Webb so much and are still in love with Darnold. Get over it. If you think I “hate” Webb because I am not falling all over myself like a lovestruck teenager based on one awful preseason outing and one good preseason outing, then you are right ... I “hate” Webb.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 12:05:01 GMT -5
lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack. No one has decided he can't be an NFL starting QB. Our point is that they could not have decided that he was when they picked Barkley.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 12:11:37 GMT -5
lol...if you watch Webb and see a guy who is confident in the pocket then you don’t know what you are watching As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack. I’m not sure what you mean by “cut the guy some slack” ... I should refrain from criticizing him or pointing out why I am not yet sold that he is the next “guy”?
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Post by Roswell on Aug 20, 2018 12:13:21 GMT -5
As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack. No one has decided he can't be an NFL starting QB. Our point is that they could not have decided that he was when they picked Barkley. The point I took issue with was with his lack of comfort in the pocket. You’re discussing something entirely unrelated and linking it to me.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 20, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -5
As you know, sometimes guys walk in with confidence and some guys develop it over time. Two offensive coordinators, two head coaches, two different playbooks in his two seasons. Cut the guy some slack. No one has decided he can't be an NFL starting QB. Our point is that they could not have decided that he was when they picked Barkley. I agree, there was simply too little info on him at the NFL level to make an assessment. You and I disagree a bit in that you feel they were so enamored with Barkley that they didn't seriously consider the QBs, I think they found them all flawed enough to justify picking the RB, when most factors seemed to scream pick a QB (at least from the outside looking in) (relatively minor). Personally, like you, I was hoping we'd get Mayfield. After that, I liked Nelson/Chubb/Trade down, but getting Barkley and Hernandez portends to be a really nice 2 pick combo in my opinion. I really liked the draft this year once it all unfolded.
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