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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 20, 2018 16:31:27 GMT -5
I agree, there was simply too little info on him at the NFL level to make an assessment. You and I disagree a bit in that you feel they were so enamored with Barkley that they didn't seriously consider the QBs, I think they found them all flawed enough to justify picking the RB, when most factors seemed to scream pick a QB (at least from the outside looking in) (relatively minor). Personally, like you, I was hoping we'd get Mayfield. After that, I liked Nelson/Chubb/Trade down, but getting Barkley and Hernandez portends to be a really nice 2 pick combo in my opinion. I really liked the draft this year once it all unfolded. Dave Gettleman said publicly that he told his guys when our turn came to draft to NOT accept any calls for possible trades.
That tells me they were simply in love with Barkley and didn't care what anyone else had to offer.
By the time they got to the draft, I agree, at that point they had made the decision and stuck with it.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 16:43:54 GMT -5
If you think I “hate” Webb because I am not falling all over myself like a lovestruck teenager based on one awful preseason outing and one good preseason outing, then you are right ... I “hate” Webb. From what I have seen, you have basically been anti-Webb from the start. You slammed him on the old boards and pushed for Darnold. You slammed him after the first preseason game. You were critical of him during the second game; literally everyone was praising him and you were still saying he was getting away with poor throws and showed zero confidence. You're still not giving him much credit for his recent performance. In my view, that's more of a hater than not a hater. No offense, but your view is of very little importance to me. I call it like I see it - if that makes me a “hater” in your opinion, then so be it.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 17:14:00 GMT -5
Who can't folks just offer an opinion without being a hater or homer? Maybe people are just expressing an honest opinion. Ever consider that?
Weren't you one of the first people to start the eli cultist label? The more you post the more i laugh. Well then my work is done.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 17:16:40 GMT -5
how about if we change the semantics to not enough info to make a proper decision about his future with the franchise. you are right, no idea is a bit strong. but they have college film, 2017 preseason and practice film. The same type of film and more then they would have for any other draft prospect. Them not knowing Webb maybe at one time was true but prior to the draft they had all they needed to know. What value they placed on that information is only know to them They still don't have what they need to know. How could they?
Are you suggesting they now know how good a pro Davis Webb will be?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 20, 2018 17:19:15 GMT -5
Where did he say that having Eli didn’t factor into the decision not to take a QB? Are you saying that the Giants didn't or did look at Webb when deciding to draft a QB or not?
Of course they looked at his tape.
And then they decided to draft Lauletta
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2018 17:28:19 GMT -5
but they have college film, 2017 preseason and practice film. The same type of film and more then they would have for any other draft prospect. Them not knowing Webb maybe at one time was true but prior to the draft they had all they needed to know. What value they placed on that information is only know to them They still don't have what they need to know. How could they?
Are you suggesting they now know how good a pro Davis Webb will be?
No not at all. What I am saying is they had just as much and maybe more info on Webb as did for any other prospect going into this years draft. Statically Webb is more of “gamble” than Darnold for example but as far the amount of pre NFL information on each player it’s similar.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Aug 20, 2018 17:32:45 GMT -5
but they have college film, 2017 preseason and practice film. The same type of film and more then they would have for any other draft prospect. Them not knowing Webb maybe at one time was true but prior to the draft they had all they needed to know. What value they placed on that information is only know to them They still don't have what they need to know. How could they?
Are you suggesting they now know how good a pro Davis Webb will be?
I THINK WEBB CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN ELI. SO HATER,HOMER, STUPID SH..T
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Post by giantsalmon on Aug 21, 2018 14:33:45 GMT -5
IMO he's already made strides to be a PRO. IMO he went in the 3rd round because there was a bit of a run on HIGHLY mobile QBs, and the unknown about whether he could thrive "under center." His shotgun success is documented. I have been around sports my entire life playing, coaching, watching. The kid is relentless in his pursuit to be a starting QB, yet is extremely appreciative and respectful of Eli. No wonder his coaches loved him. In my OPINION he's going to be make it and I hope its with NYG. What a gift with the contracts looming ahead for our team if that's the case.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 22, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -5
Of course they looked at his tape.
And then they decided to draft Lauletta
Fine but they did look and evaluate him to help decide their needs for this year,that is all I am saying . Not sure why this is so hard to understand. The Giants did not pass on a QB in the draft because Webb is on the team.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 22, 2018 11:55:22 GMT -5
Fine but they did look and evaluate him to help decide their needs for this year,that is all I am saying . Not sure why this is so hard to understand. The Giants did not pass on a QB in the draft because Webb is on the team. OK....You say it's easy to understand what he's saying and then you completely disagreed with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 13:03:38 GMT -5
IMO he's already made strides to be a PRO. IMO he went in the 3rd round because there was a bit of a run on HIGHLY mobile QBs, and the unknown about whether he could thrive "under center." His shotgun success is documented. I have been around sports my entire life playing, coaching, watching. The kid is relentless in his pursuit to be a starting QB, yet is extremely appreciative and respectful of Eli. No wonder his coaches loved him. In my OPINION he's going to be make it and I hope its with NYG. What a gift with the contracts looming ahead for our team if that's the case. Great post. One of the best I've read in a long time.
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Post by giantsalmon on Aug 22, 2018 15:24:24 GMT -5
IMO he's already made strides to be a PRO. IMO he went in the 3rd round because there was a bit of a run on HIGHLY mobile QBs, and the unknown about whether he could thrive "under center." His shotgun success is documented. I have been around sports my entire life playing, coaching, watching. The kid is relentless in his pursuit to be a starting QB, yet is extremely appreciative and respectful of Eli. No wonder his coaches loved him. In my OPINION he's going to be make it and I hope its with NYG. What a gift with the contracts looming ahead for our team if that's the case. Great post. One of the best I've read in a long time. Thanks ibb, I'm ready for a long stretch of NYG relevance. It's just not fun being "out of it" by Thanksgiving. Count me as one who feels the Giants QB situation is a good one.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 22, 2018 18:12:36 GMT -5
Not sure why this is so hard to understand. The Giants did not pass on a QB in the draft because Webb is on the team. OK....You say it's easy to understand what he's saying and then you completely disagreed with him. Was trying to say (Inartfully) that I wasn’t sure why it was so hard for him to understand
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 22, 2018 19:35:48 GMT -5
OK....You say it's easy to understand what he's saying and then you completely disagreed with him. Was trying to say (Inartfully) that I wasn’t sure why it was so hard for him to understand Hahaha...Got it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 10:20:37 GMT -5
ahh.......hater vs homer. It's good to be home.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 23, 2018 11:59:24 GMT -5
This warms my cockles.....
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Post by brownelvis54 on Sept 2, 2018 15:38:24 GMT -5
the kid has all the tools ... he will be fine what a difference a week makes for critics I'll say
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Post by nysports98 on Sept 2, 2018 16:45:26 GMT -5
Webb was Eli's shadow since being drafted. Kinda crazy to think this team doesn't have a backup QB and less than 20 roster players from last year yet want to rebuild a 3 win team on the fly behind a 37 year old QB.
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Post by desertash on Sept 2, 2018 16:47:58 GMT -5
Simply put the Giants didn't see enough to keep him. They gave him his shot this preseason and it was still not enough. Not enough to even get a bite in the trade waters.
If he goes on to some other team and lights it up I'll eat crow, but until then he's Nassib part deux.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 2, 2018 19:00:17 GMT -5
Simply put the Giants didn't see enough to keep him. They gave him his shot this preseason and it was still not enough. Not enough to even get a bite in the trade waters. If he goes on to some other team and lights it up I'll eat crow, but until then he's Nassib part deux. I'm guessing once the Raiders found they could get McCarron on the cheap, Webb simply didn't make sense, and there were no other perspective buyers.
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Post by ocgiant on Sept 2, 2018 19:51:34 GMT -5
Still do not get this move with no back-up not buying what we have left...
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Post by desertash on Sept 2, 2018 22:02:46 GMT -5
Simply put the Giants didn't see enough to keep him. They gave him his shot this preseason and it was still not enough. Not enough to even get a bite in the trade waters. If he goes on to some other team and lights it up I'll eat crow, but until then he's Nassib part deux. I'm guessing once the Raiders found they could get McCarron on the cheap, Webb simply didn't make sense, and there were no other perspective buyers. or ...there was nothing there to begin with
I do hope the kid catches on somewhere to prove the ex-Nassib worshipers right... until then it's been empty postulating
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Post by desertash on Sept 2, 2018 22:21:32 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you mean by “cut the guy some slack” ... I should refrain from criticizing him or pointing out why I am not yet sold that he is the next “guy”? No. You can think what you want. My issue was with you stating that Webb is uncomfortable in the pocket like you have any idea whether or not a guy who went 14 for 20 for 140 yards in one half without his two best offensive weapons is comfortable. I’m not sold on the guy either. Just expressing my opinion on how it’s impossible to know his comfort level from a persons living room. when his footwork was constantly talked about...that's a good indication (a case of the Chrissy Everetts).
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 3, 2018 7:02:40 GMT -5
the kid has all the tools ... he will be fine what a difference a week makes for critics So much for that, another wasted pick by JR
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2018 7:20:09 GMT -5
the kid has all the tools ... he will be fine what a difference a week makes for critics So much for that, another wasted pick by JR so a third round developmental QB gets cut at the last minute by a new GM and HC and its a wasted pick by Reese....?? Webb would have had to been the next coming of Tom Brady not to be cut by these guys.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 3, 2018 7:53:03 GMT -5
So much for that, another wasted pick by JR so a third round developmental QB gets cut at the last minute by a new GM and HC and its a wasted pick by Reese....?? Webb would have had to been the next coming of Tom Brady not to be cut by these guys. Yeah it is a wasted pick, they just cut Thompson and Webb this year. Two 3rd round picks that didn’t even last 3 years. That’s not good, it’s not like Gettleman released a bunch of Calvin Munson’s. (Undrafted free agents) This franchise is in this predicament because of Reese. Years of poor drafting will do that. Trying to argue against that is ridiculous.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 3, 2018 8:24:40 GMT -5
I'm sure plenty will disagree but I truly feel that some of these cuts are happening because they have ties to Reese/McAdoo and the new regime wants nothing to do with their culture (understandbly). They want it to be their team. I'm not sure if that's something they all truly agree upon or not. It might be more of a Gettleman thing than Shurmur. In some instances it just doesn't make much sense. Webb has all the tools and improved majorly after a terrible performance in the Browns game. He looked better than Lauletta in every aspect. Don't get me wrong, Lauletta did some positive things for sure but I think as of right now he lacks necessary arm strength.
Simonson over Adams is another one. Adams was good on STs, could block well and gets open. He had one drop the other night, the rest of preseason he did a nice job. I didn't see anything that was too great out of Simonson.
Brett Jones. Sure they get a 7th, but the guy would've been a great back up and a great option if the interior starters turn out to suck again.
Thomas is another one. Makes no sense whatsoever from the outside looking in. He was one of the best DL on the field all preseason. It especially makes no sense when they go and get a player like Edwards who might turn out okay but reportedly has some work ethic issues.
Just some things that I think might reflect ego, favoritism and stubbornness opposed to picking the best players.
Who really knows, but some of the moves they have made are definitely really good, while some just make no logical sense from the outside looking in.
We'll see how it turns out thought. Just sharing some thoughts.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2018 9:07:47 GMT -5
so a third round developmental QB gets cut at the last minute by a new GM and HC and its a wasted pick by Reese....?? Webb would have had to been the next coming of Tom Brady not to be cut by these guys. Yeah it is a wasted pick, they just cut Thompson and Webb this year. Two 3rd round picks that didn’t even last 3 years. That’s not good, it’s not like Gettleman released a bunch of Calvin Munson’s. (Undrafted free agents) This franchise is in this predicament because of Reese. Years of poor drafting will do that. Trying to argue against that is ridiculous. I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 3, 2018 9:25:24 GMT -5
I'm sure plenty will disagree but I truly feel that some of these cuts are happening because they have ties to Reese/McAdoo and the new regime wants nothing to do with their culture (understandbly). They want it to be their team. I'm not sure if that's something they all truly agree upon or not. It might be more of a Gettleman thing than Shurmur. In some instances it just doesn't make much sense. Webb has all the tools and improved majorly after a terrible performance in the Browns game. He looked better than Lauletta in every aspect. Don't get me wrong, Lauletta did some positive things for sure but I think as of right now he lacks necessary arm strength. I agree with this.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 3, 2018 9:27:34 GMT -5
Yeah it is a wasted pick, they just cut Thompson and Webb this year. Two 3rd round picks that didn’t even last 3 years. That’s not good, it’s not like Gettleman released a bunch of Calvin Munson’s. (Undrafted free agents) This franchise is in this predicament because of Reese. Years of poor drafting will do that. Trying to argue against that is ridiculous. I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib.
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