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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2018 9:33:02 GMT -5
I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib. Yeah but was that known on draft day last year? I just don’t see how Webb getting cut by the new GM is a bad draft pick by Reese. I may be wrong but that’s my view point. Also the odds of a developmental QB catching on with another team and getting his due is not likely
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 3, 2018 9:40:43 GMT -5
I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib. I wonder if the team had known they were going to release Webb would it have changed their decision in the draft and would they then have taken a QB in round 1.....
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2018 9:48:59 GMT -5
The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib. I wonder if the team had known they were going to release Webb would it have changed their decision in the draft and would they then have taken a QB in round 1..... I guess you can say it was preconceived or they were seeing if Webb impressed them. IMO the way things went down Webb would have had to look like the next coming of Tom Brady to stay employed has a NYG.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 3, 2018 10:46:29 GMT -5
The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib. I wonder if the team had known they were going to release Webb would it have changed their decision in the draft and would they then have taken a QB in round 1..... I don't think so. I think it was the belief in Eli and just how highly they had Saquon rated that led to the pass. I don't think Webb factored into it much, if at all.
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 7, 2018 21:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah it is a wasted pick, they just cut Thompson and Webb this year. Two 3rd round picks that didn’t even last 3 years. That’s not good, it’s not like Gettleman released a bunch of Calvin Munson’s. (Undrafted free agents) This franchise is in this predicament because of Reese. Years of poor drafting will do that. Trying to argue against that is ridiculous. I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. Certainly seemed like you were defending Reese, and yes a 3rd round pick who never saw any playing time would be considered a wasted pick in most people's eyes.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 7, 2018 21:48:15 GMT -5
Go back and read this thread from the beginning.
Pretty funny.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 8, 2018 6:14:29 GMT -5
It’s like a game of damned “telephone” around here sometimes!! Someone starts a thread on a specific topic, and by the fifth or 6th page, the narrative has been completely lost!! But I have to agree with an earlier poster about people not having integrity enough to stick with their opinion about Webb not being good enough to be the heir apparent FQB, and wanting a QB with the number 1 pick. I said they would take Barkley, I wanted Barkley, I believed in Webb and I still think he will develop into a starter somewhere......and a good one! I’m very well acquainted with the “you’re gonna miss him when he’s gone” concept on the Giants boards.....if you get my drift! Lol For the record, I believe in Stewart too. It’s just how I roll....I tend to embrace those who people have no faith in!
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2018 6:33:40 GMT -5
It’s like a game of damned “telephone” around here sometimes!! Someone starts a thread on a specific topic, and by the fifth or 6th page, the narrative has been completely lost!! But I have to agree with an earlier poster about people not having integrity enough to stick with their opinion about Webb not being good enough to be the heir apparent FQB, and wanting a QB with the number 1 pick. I said they would take Barkley, I wanted Barkley, I believed in Webb and I still think he will develop into a starter somewhere......and a good one! I’m very well acquainted with the “you’re gonna miss him when he’s gone” concept on the Giants boards.....if you get my drift! Lol For the record, I believe in Stewart too. It’s just how I roll....I tend to embrace those who people have no faith in! What about the posters the did not believe, had doubts or plain did not know what Web was . Yet still did not want a QB with the #2 pick . Because they felt the QB class was not as it was presented to be. There were a lot of posters that had a different point on the pick than just the "QB class vs Webb or Barkley" . PS: I was upset about the fumble. I also have some faith in Stewart's ability also.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 8, 2018 6:58:09 GMT -5
It’s like a game of damned “telephone” around here sometimes!! Someone starts a thread on a specific topic, and by the fifth or 6th page, the narrative has been completely lost!! But I have to agree with an earlier poster about people not having integrity enough to stick with their opinion about Webb not being good enough to be the heir apparent FQB, and wanting a QB with the number 1 pick. I said they would take Barkley, I wanted Barkley, I believed in Webb and I still think he will develop into a starter somewhere......and a good one! I’m very well acquainted with the “you’re gonna miss him when he’s gone” concept on the Giants boards.....if you get my drift! Lol For the record, I believe in Stewart too. It’s just how I roll....I tend to embrace those who people have no faith in! What about the posters the did not believe, had doubts or plain did not know what Web was . Yet still did not want a QB with the #2 pick . Because they felt the QB class was not as it was presented to be. There were a lot of posters that had a different point on the pick than just the "QB class vs Webb or Barkley" . PS: I was upset about the fumble. I also have some faith in Stewart's ability also, [br I was speaking to one group of loud voices, at that time, specifically, and of all the Webb love now, by some of those same anti -Webb folks, now that he’s gone! I didn’t want to muddy the water by mentioning every group who was for or against ten different combination of changes. I’m 60 years old, I can only concentrate on one thing at one time, or I get exhausted!
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2018 7:01:06 GMT -5
What about the posters the did not believe, had doubts or plain did not know what Web was . Yet still did not want a QB with the #2 pick . Because they felt the QB class was not as it was presented to be. There were a lot of posters that had a different point on the pick than just the "QB class vs Webb or Barkley" . PS: I was upset about the fumble. I also have some faith in Stewart's ability also, [br I was speaking to one group of loud voices, at that time, specifically, and of all the Webb love now, by some of those same anti -Webb folks, now that he’s gone! I didn’t want to muddy the water by mentioning every group who was for or against ten different combination of changes. The naysayers are going to complain because they did not, or do not get their way no matter what . They just need a reason to do it.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 8, 2018 7:23:25 GMT -5
It’s like a game of damned “telephone” around here sometimes!! Someone starts a thread on a specific topic, and by the fifth or 6th page, the narrative has been completely lost!! But I have to agree with an earlier poster about people not having integrity enough to stick with their opinion about Webb not being good enough to be the heir apparent FQB, and wanting a QB with the number 1 pick. I said they would take Barkley, I wanted Barkley, I believed in Webb and I still think he will develop into a starter somewhere......and a good one! I’m very well acquainted with the “you’re gonna miss him when he’s gone” concept on the Giants boards.....if you get my drift! Lol For the record, I believe in Stewart too. It’s just how I roll....I tend to embrace those who people have no faith in! I agree with your take on Webb. I just hope it's not Dallas or Washington where he finally lands. Like I have said, I will pull for Lauletta to be the successor now as I'm a Giants fan first and foremost. I just thought for once the Giants wanted a guy who could throw it out in front of all the weapons they have accumulated--INCLUDING Barkley--whose going to get some deep shots. We no longer have Plaxico to "go up and get it". I like Laulettas pocket movement, but cannot get those underthrown deep balls out of my mind--where the defenders were clearly beaten.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 8, 2018 8:21:10 GMT -5
I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. Certainly seemed like you were defending Reese, and yes a 3rd round pick who never saw any playing time would be considered a wasted pick in most people's eyes. was on the team for one season and two camps and cut by a different GM. Not a wasted pick by Reese. He had nothing to do with cutting Webb.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 8, 2018 8:40:52 GMT -5
[br I was speaking to one group of loud voices, at that time, specifically, and of all the Webb love now, by some of those same anti -Webb folks, now that he’s gone! I didn’t want to muddy the water by mentioning every group who was for or against ten different combination of changes. The naysayers are going to complain because they did not, or do not get their way no matter what . They just need a reason to do it. So so true!!!
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 8, 2018 8:57:05 GMT -5
Certainly seemed like you were defending Reese, and yes a 3rd round pick who never saw any playing time would be considered a wasted pick in most people's eyes. was on the team for one season and two camps and cut by a different GM. Not a wasted pick by Reese. He had nothing to do with cutting Webb. Where did I say Reese had anything to do with cutting Webb? You can continue to argue that it wasn't a wasted pick as long as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that over 75% of players drafted in the 3rd round make are still on the team that they were drafted by in year two. This pick was a typical Reese mid-round pick where the team saw little to no value, a wasted pick to most.
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 8, 2018 9:01:50 GMT -5
I was talking about Webb in particular. I am not a fan of Reese but saying Webb is a wasted pick because he was cut by Gettleman is wrong. The proof is always in the pudding with these things. In the past, all of our high pick cast offs, like Sintim etal, never caught on elsewhere which means we made the right decision to cut ties. If Webb turns into Foles in a few year we will have screwed up. More likely he'll just turn into Nassib. No, the organization is making a huge mistake- JR made the right pick as usual and this kid is the next Tom Brady
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Post by GameTime on Sept 8, 2018 9:01:56 GMT -5
was on the team for one season and two camps and cut by a different GM. Not a wasted pick by Reese. He had nothing to do with cutting Webb. Where did I say Reese had anything to do with cutting Webb? You can continue to argue that it wasn't a wasted pick as long as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that over 75% of players drafted in the 3rd round make are still on the team that they were drafted by in year two. This pick was a typical Reese mid-round pick where the team saw little to no value, a wasted pick to most.
you didnt say that.... If Reese was still the GM Webb would still be on the team and he may have been a viable back up or better ultimately. If Webb had been on the team for a few seasons and he didnt pan out would agree with you. But he was as good as gone with the new GM unless he was lights out during pre season. You ave no idea how this pick would have turned out if Webb would have stayed with the Giants. We can dis agree and thats cool.
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 8, 2018 9:11:50 GMT -5
Where did I say Reese had anything to do with cutting Webb? You can continue to argue that it wasn't a wasted pick as long as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that over 75% of players drafted in the 3rd round make are still on the team that they were drafted by in year two. This pick was a typical Reese mid-round pick where the team saw little to no value, a wasted pick to most.
you didnt say that.... If Reese was still the GM Webb would still be on the team and he may have been a viable back up or better ultimately. If Webb had been on the team for a few seasons and he didnt pan out would agree with you. But he was as good as gone with the new GM unless he was lights out during pre season. You ave no idea how this pick would have turned out if Webb would have stayed with the Giants. We can dis agree and thats cool. Yeah we're pretty much going in circles here, we'll have to wait and see with Webb
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2018 9:32:53 GMT -5
you didnt say that.... If Reese was still the GM Webb would still be on the team and he may have been a viable back up or better ultimately. If Webb had been on the team for a few seasons and he didnt pan out would agree with you. But he was as good as gone with the new GM unless he was lights out during pre season. You ave no idea how this pick would have turned out if Webb would have stayed with the Giants. We can dis agree and thats cool. Yeah we're pretty much going in circles here, we'll have to wait and see with Webb The Odds are against him . I only know of 2 QBs ( Mark Bulger and Jake Delhomme) in the cap era that have gone from Practice Squad to NFL starting QB with a significant career. He has a better chance on making it to the summit of Everest.
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Post by shakenbake on Sept 8, 2018 9:38:51 GMT -5
Yeah we're pretty much going in circles here, we'll have to wait and see with Webb The Odds are against him . I only know of 2 QBs ( Mark Bulger and Jake Delhomme) in the cap era that have gone from Practice Squad to NFL starting QB with a significant career. He has a better chance on making it to the summit of Everest. Believe me I know, we're in the same camp
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 8, 2018 10:06:11 GMT -5
Interesting article in ganggreennation making the case directly opposite to this thread title - that 'Davis Webb looked like a practice squad project in preseason'. And the author (whoever John B. is) makes an interesting case with stats and videos to show the deficiencies in judgment that led to his fall.
After looking at the film I can't help but agree, and think that although the new regime was skeptical and drafted Lauletta, Webb's pre-season performance made it real easy to let him go. Author adds that Webb doesn't have the stuff right now to even be a decent backup. Guess time will tell.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 8, 2018 20:00:20 GMT -5
Interesting article in ganggreennation making the case directly opposite to this thread title - that 'Davis Webb looked like a practice squad project in preseason'. And the author (whoever John B. is) makes an interesting case with stats and videos to show the deficiencies in judgment that led to his fall. After looking at the film I can't help but agree, and think that although the new regime was skeptical and drafted Lauletta, Webb's pre-season performance made it real easy to let him go. Author adds that Webb doesn't have the stuff right now to even be a decent backup. Guess time will tell. Link?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 20:29:01 GMT -5
Interesting article in ganggreennation making the case directly opposite to this thread title - that 'Davis Webb looked like a practice squad project in preseason'. And the author (whoever John B. is) makes an interesting case with stats and videos to show the deficiencies in judgment that led to his fall. After looking at the film I can't help but agree, and think that although the new regime was skeptical and drafted Lauletta, Webb's pre-season performance made it real easy to let him go. Author adds that Webb doesn't have the stuff right now to even be a decent backup. Guess time will tell. Link? Took 30 seconds to type gang green nation and Webb and get to the site he’s talking about: www.google.com/amp/s/www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/6/17825330/jets-qb-davis-webb-looked-like-a-practice-squad-project-in-preseasonPretty decent write up.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 8, 2018 20:34:39 GMT -5
How sweet of you to find this! Thanks! Not much different than the way I viewed him. If you watched the Lions game closely, you would see that he didn’t play as well as most on here thought he did just by looking at the stats
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 8, 2018 20:49:26 GMT -5
The author is using this play to call out for not Webb to stepping up in the pocket.
I see 3 or 4 lineman standing up in front of him.
I would need to see this from the end zone to see what Webb was looking at before I would make that assessment.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 8, 2018 21:05:16 GMT -5
This play does look troubling because it's 1st and 10 and it looks like there was no excuse for him to not look to the RB.
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 8, 2018 21:14:30 GMT -5
Thank you for providing the link, Elidamanning. I wasn't sure if I should provide a link to a Jets site. And re the video above I think there is some room to step into the pocket... not much, granted, but it could have extended the play a bit. Just looked to me like Davis was afraid to risk any contact, and went backwards or threw sideways from way behind the LOS.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 8, 2018 23:38:27 GMT -5
some are treating him like he is a seasoned vet. He has one NFL season and two camps. He was a project to begin with. Was a long shot to make it as a consistent starting NFL QB either way.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 9, 2018 8:31:09 GMT -5
This play does look troubling because it's 1st and 10 and it looks like there was no excuse for him to not look to the RB.
I saw him thoughtfully throwing away a ball on a route that wasn't there. Obviously the RB would have been a better option.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 9, 2018 8:32:25 GMT -5
The author is using this play to call out for not Webb to stepping up in the pocket.
I see 3 or 4 lineman standing up in front of him.
I would need to see this from the end zone to see what Webb was looking at before I would make that assessment.
I saw an really strong arm making a play while backpeddling.
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