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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 25, 2019 9:05:43 GMT -5
The Giants control getting Young. A guy who could potentially change this D for a decade. They play both Washington and Miami, both of whom would take Young should we beat them and allow them to leapfrog on the draftboard. At this point no win matters. I’m not sure they even need to intentionally punt the season, but the falloff after Young is big. There isn’t another like him. I think they need to go 2-14 and if that requires taking so e measures in the Miami and Washington games I am for it.
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Nov 25, 2019 9:25:14 GMT -5
The Giants control getting Young. A guy who could potentially change this D for a decade. They play both Washington and Miami, both of whom would take Young should we beat them and allow them to leapfrog on the draftboard. At this point no win matters. I’m not sure they even need to intentionally punt the season, but the falloff after Young is big. There isn’t another like him. I think they need to go 2-14 and if that requires taking so e measures in the Miami and Washington games I am for it. I tend to agree. Although, I really hate watching our team lose week to week. But, ever since our loses kept adding up and Ohio St kept blowing out teams every week. I started to pay more attention to Chase Young (outside of the 2 game suspension) that dude is a beast. He's had multiple sacks in every game he's played this season. That's unheard of. He's exactly what our defense needs. At this point I'd try to get the #1 overall pick at all costs. Although, the Bengals are pretty much locked into that spot barring a major change....
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 25, 2019 9:38:02 GMT -5
The Giants control getting Young. A guy who could potentially change this D for a decade. They play both Washington and Miami, both of whom would take Young should we beat them and allow them to leapfrog on the draftboard. At this point no win matters. I’m not sure they even need to intentionally punt the season, but the falloff after Young is big. There isn’t another like him. I think they need to go 2-14 and if that requires taking so e measures in the Miami and Washington games I am for it. I tend to agree. Although, I really hate watching our team lose week to week. But, ever since our loses kept adding up and Ohio St kept blowing out teams every week. I started to pay more attention to Chase Young (outside of the 2 game suspension) that dude is a beast. He's had multiple sacks in every game he's played this season. That's unheard of. He's exactly what our defense needs. At this point I'd try to get the #1 overall pick at all costs. Although, the Bengals are pretty much locked into that spot barring a major change....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 25, 2019 9:41:01 GMT -5
The Giants control getting Young. A guy who could potentially change this D for a decade. They play both Washington and Miami, both of whom would take Young should we beat them and allow them to leapfrog on the draftboard. At this point no win matters. I’m not sure they even need to intentionally punt the season, but the falloff after Young is big. There isn’t another like him. I think they need to go 2-14 and if that requires taking so e measures in the Miami and Washington games I am for it. I realize this isn't the proper way to think and it certainly isn't professional. But I am not a member of the team where I would be letting my teammates down. As a fan I feel anyway that getting Chase Young would definitely improve this team immediately.
I think we would need to pick 3rd or lower in the draft. I would think Cinnci and Miami go QB. But those Redskins would jump all over Chase Young. Young grew up in the Washington area.
The Chase Young sweepstakes are under way. A realistic result of this season imo is 4-12. That might be too many wins to be in the top 3.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 25, 2019 10:02:27 GMT -5
This team wont be in position to draft him. The giants will win at least 1 or 2 more games this season and that will be enough to not be in position to get him .
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 25, 2019 10:09:47 GMT -5
This team wont be in position to draft him. The giants will win at least 1 or 2 more games this season and that will be enough to not be in position to get him . And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 25, 2019 10:29:01 GMT -5
This team wont be in position to draft him. The giants will win at least 1 or 2 more games this season and that will be enough to not be in position to get him . And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job. yep. There's almost no doubt in my mind that Shurmur will be back next year. The only way I don't see that happening is if we lose out and Mara is fed up, even then IDK. I think the only way they make a change at HC this year is if Mara really, really likes someone.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 25, 2019 10:30:51 GMT -5
This team wont be in position to draft him. The giants will win at least 1 or 2 more games this season and that will be enough to not be in position to get him . And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job. Double ugh ....
Can't imagine a worse scenario, lose out on Young and bring Shurmur back.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 25, 2019 10:33:19 GMT -5
This team wont be in position to draft him. The giants will win at least 1 or 2 more games this season and that will be enough to not be in position to get him . And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job. what more do people need to see from Shurmur that would help make up their minds to keep him, I think people are just looking for a way to keep him when they should be looking for his replacement...
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 25, 2019 10:36:07 GMT -5
If we dont get Young or Thomas the draft will be a mess
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 25, 2019 10:56:57 GMT -5
And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job. what more do people need to see from Shurmur that would help make up their minds to keep him, I think people are just looking for a way to keep him when they should be looking for his replacement... IMO, ownership will be looking for an excuse to keep him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 25, 2019 11:17:46 GMT -5
If we dont get Young or Thomas the draft will be a mess This is probably the biggest no brainer I can remember if we have the opportunity to get one of these guys I can ever remember for the draft for our first pick
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Nov 25, 2019 18:07:07 GMT -5
I think everyone is in agreement on the Chase Young pick. I don't know if I've ever seen that on the boards before lol. The kid does everything with such ease, its hard to imagine it not translating to the NFL.
GET THIS KID A JERSEY
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 25, 2019 18:39:18 GMT -5
I think everyone is in agreement on the Chase Young pick. I don't know if I've ever seen that on the boards before lol. The kid does everything with such ease, its hard to imagine it not translating to the NFL. GET THIS KID A JERSEY That ensures that we won’t get him!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 25, 2019 19:07:20 GMT -5
If we dont get Young or Thomas the draft will be a mess I agree, unless we get a hand ful of 1st and 2nd rd picks. Say 2 firsts and 3 seconds. Plus we would still have our own 2nd rd pick. I'm dreaming here but that's what I'm hoping for.
With maybe 5 QB's coming out that can go 1st rd. Say Fromm, Hurst, Herbert, Tua, and Burrows. Teams might not need to draft up to get a QB. Most of the teams that you would think could go QB are potential top 10 picks as it stands now. Cinnci, Miami, Tampa, Denver.
How far back would you look to go Pitt, Chargers, N.E. ? All their QB's are old just a guess. Bridgewater possibly is already in position behind Brees.
Apologiize I got off the thought. Just to make it clear I'm really hoping we get a shot at Chase Young. Has had at least 2 sacks in every game this season, all time sack leader for a season at Ohio St. He's a beast and would look great in NY Giant Blue.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2019 19:27:09 GMT -5
I think everyone is in agreement on the Chase Young pick. I don't know if I've ever seen that on the boards before lol. The kid does everything with such ease, its hard to imagine it not translating to the NFL. GET THIS KID A JERSEY That ensures that we won’t get him! Exactly. I could see Gettleman trade the pick for magic beans.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2019 19:30:44 GMT -5
I think everyone is in agreement on the Chase Young pick. I don't know if I've ever seen that on the boards before lol. The kid does everything with such ease, its hard to imagine it not translating to the NFL. GET THIS KID A JERSEY The only one not to I have seen is TEM. He thinks he is a product of Ohio States deep talent depth. He will come around at some point. I am 100% sure this kid will be a great football player barring any injuries. Last time I felt this way was with Jaylon Smith who I called an LT lite I was so impressed with him at ND. Chase is one of those guys.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2019 19:32:58 GMT -5
If we dont get Young or Thomas the draft will be a mess Trade back.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Nov 25, 2019 20:26:31 GMT -5
If we dont get Young or Thomas the draft will be a mess I agree, unless we get a hand ful of 1st and 2nd rd picks. Say 2 firsts and 3 seconds. Plus we would still have our own 2nd rd pick. I'm dreaming here but that's what I'm hoping for.
With maybe 5 QB's coming out that can go 1st rd. Say Fromm, Hurst, Herbert, Tua, and Burrows. Teams might not need to draft up to get a QB. Most of the teams that you would think could go QB are potential top 10 picks as it stands now. Cinnci, Miami, Tampa, Denver.
How far back would you look to go Pitt, Chargers, N.E. ? All their QB's are old just a guess. Bridgewater possibly is already in position behind Brees.
Apologiize I got off the thought. Just to make it clear I'm really hoping we get a shot at Chase Young. Has had at least 2 sacks in every game this season, all time sack leader for a season at Ohio St. He's a beast and would look great in NY Giant Blue.
Even with 5 possible starting QBs coming from the first round it doesn't devalue the number 2/3 pick. Teams don't want their consolation QB, they want their guy. Like what happened with Trubisky even though there were other guys still on the board that showed promise. If we do end up with 2 or 3 overall getting 2 1st's and a 2nd isnt outside the realm of possibilty.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 25, 2019 22:45:12 GMT -5
I think everyone is in agreement on the Chase Young pick. I don't know if I've ever seen that on the boards before lol. The kid does everything with such ease, its hard to imagine it not translating to the NFL. GET THIS KID A JERSEY That ensures that we won’t get him! I think the 2 obvious picks would be Young(pass rusher) or Thomas(OT). We have so many holes on the team you couldn’t be wrong we either of these picks. Some people would like to trade down but when you have a chance to get elite talents you don’t trade down for lesser players unless your overwhelmed with an offer.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 26, 2019 7:27:16 GMT -5
That ensures that we won’t get him! Exactly. I could see Gettleman trade the pick for magic beans. I hear there is a generational punter coming out this year...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 26, 2019 9:30:39 GMT -5
I agree, unless we get a hand ful of 1st and 2nd rd picks. Say 2 firsts and 3 seconds. Plus we would still have our own 2nd rd pick. I'm dreaming here but that's what I'm hoping for.
With maybe 5 QB's coming out that can go 1st rd. Say Fromm, Hurst, Herbert, Tua, and Burrows. Teams might not need to draft up to get a QB. Most of the teams that you would think could go QB are potential top 10 picks as it stands now. Cinnci, Miami, Tampa, Denver.
How far back would you look to go Pitt, Chargers, N.E. ? All their QB's are old just a guess. Bridgewater possibly is already in position behind Brees.
Apologiize I got off the thought. Just to make it clear I'm really hoping we get a shot at Chase Young. Has had at least 2 sacks in every game this season, all time sack leader for a season at Ohio St. He's a beast and would look great in NY Giant Blue.
Even with 5 possible starting QBs coming from the first round it doesn't devalue the number 2/3 pick. Teams don't want their consolation QB, they want their guy. Like what happened with Trubisky even though there were other guys still on the board that showed promise. If we do end up with 2 or 3 overall getting 2 1st's and a 2nd isnt outside the realm of possibilty. I agree Aussie
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 26, 2019 10:35:06 GMT -5
With peppers out we should see Baker, Ballantine, Beal, and Love on the field as much as possible the rest of the way. At the expense of JJs and Betheas snaps.
Carter should begin to learn the ilb spot at the expense of tress’s snaps, which would get OX on the field more.
Engram to IR and we get to see what we have in Smith.
The record will take care of itself
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 11:09:44 GMT -5
With peppers out we should see Baker, Ballantine, Beal, and Love on the field as much as possible the rest of the way. At the expense of JJs and Betheas snaps. Carter should begin to learn the ilb spot at the expense of tress’s snaps, which would get OX on the field more. Engram to IR and we get to see what we have in Smith. The record will take care of itself This guy is going to be a find. San Fran did not want to expose him as he was in line to possibly push to be a starter in a year or 2 opposite Kittles. He is from a long line of highly productive 2 way TEs that play in a pro style WCO in Stanford. There is a reason we jumped on him. I could see him taking over for Ellison next year if he shows out(and I hate to lose Ellison as he has been criminally underused in the passing game,but him and Engram in the 12 and the 6'7 hight we now have a red zone ace as a potential good blocking TE than has Jake Ballard type receiver skills
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 26, 2019 12:37:36 GMT -5
So strange to me that Shurmur, a Vikings guy, couldn’t find a way to get Ellison involved. They were there at the same time, right?
If the kid balls, we save 5 million in cap by cutting Ellison. I’m not 100% sure it’s worth it, but we need all the diamonds in the rough we can find
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 12:41:07 GMT -5
And that will also be all Shurmur needs to keep his job. yep. There's almost no doubt in my mind that Shurmur will be back next year. The only way I don't see that happening is if we lose out and Mara is fed up, even then IDK. I think the only way they make a change at HC this year is if Mara really, really likes someone. Like Jason Garrett
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 26, 2019 17:07:59 GMT -5
yep. There's almost no doubt in my mind that Shurmur will be back next year. The only way I don't see that happening is if we lose out and Mara is fed up, even then IDK. I think the only way they make a change at HC this year is if Mara really, really likes someone. Like Jason Garrett
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 30, 2019 1:12:01 GMT -5
I agree, unless we get a hand ful of 1st and 2nd rd picks. Say 2 firsts and 3 seconds. Plus we would still have our own 2nd rd pick. I'm dreaming here but that's what I'm hoping for.
With maybe 5 QB's coming out that can go 1st rd. Say Fromm, Hurst, Herbert, Tua, and Burrows. Teams might not need to draft up to get a QB. Most of the teams that you would think could go QB are potential top 10 picks as it stands now. Cinnci, Miami, Tampa, Denver.
How far back would you look to go Pitt, Chargers, N.E. ? All their QB's are old just a guess. Bridgewater possibly is already in position behind Brees.
Apologiize I got off the thought. Just to make it clear I'm really hoping we get a shot at Chase Young. Has had at least 2 sacks in every game this season, all time sack leader for a season at Ohio St. He's a beast and would look great in NY Giant Blue.
Even with 5 possible starting QBs coming from the first round it doesn't devalue the number 2/3 pick. Teams don't want their consolation QB, they want their guy. Like what happened with Trubisky even though there were other guys still on the board that showed promise. If we do end up with 2 or 3 overall getting 2 1st's and a 2nd isnt outside the realm of possibilty. The problem with trading down is this GM and coaching staff are on the hot seat 5-11 and a possibility of a 3-13 season this year trading down for more picks and your future is in question doesn’t seem like what Gettleman will do. I don’t think they would do that if one of the blue chip pass rushers or the offensive tackles is available. Hell we need 2 new tackles Solder has been below average but were stuck with him at least one more season yikes.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 30, 2019 8:40:08 GMT -5
With peppers out we should see Baker, Ballantine, Beal, and Love on the field as much as possible the rest of the way. At the expense of JJs and Betheas snaps. Carter should begin to learn the ilb spot at the expense of tress’s snaps, which would get OX on the field more. Engram to IR and we get to see what we have in Smith. The record will take care of itself How do you reduce Bethea’s snaps with Peppers out?
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Post by TEM on Nov 30, 2019 10:24:45 GMT -5
With peppers out we should see Baker, Ballantine, Beal, and Love on the field as much as possible the rest of the way. At the expense of JJs and Betheas snaps. Carter should begin to learn the ilb spot at the expense of tress’s snaps, which would get OX on the field more. Engram to IR and we get to see what we have in Smith. The record will take care of itself How do you reduce Bethea’s snaps with Peppers out? Bethea has played 99% of the defensive snaps. They could not do that with Peppers playing. He had 95% of the Defensive snaps.
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