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Post by nick030567 on Nov 26, 2019 21:07:51 GMT -5
Barkley will look as good or better than last season when the following happens (it's really simple)... 1. He's fully healed. 2. Shurmur stops running him right up the middle 95% of the time (starts providing BALANCE between inside and outside runs). Do you know how easy it is for the defense to stop their running game when they know where they'll run it? 3. The offensive line blocks better on a consistent, week to week basis. Barkley did good despite an atrocious OL last season. The difference is that his coach didn't run him up the guy 95% of the time, he actually had the common sense to provide something closer to a 50/50 balance between inside and outside runs. The biggest problem I've seen with Barkley all year is he has dropped a lot of passes going back to the 1st two games with Eli. Who was the coach last year? Lol at blaming Shurmur or the Oline. Barkley is a good RB, nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing that matters that’s special about him. He lacks vision for a hole. He has special juke talent, he loves using it hoping he ends up in space to run. 9/10 he goes nowhere. He’s a losing player. The team is 5-18 with him out there. So a coach can't call plays differently from one year to the next? We've seen it happen hundreds of times in the NFL, happens every year, shit it happens sometimes from one drive to the next. Shurmur's approach this year has been vastly different for the most part. You probably just don't like Gettleman so you just want to blame the players he's chosen instead of recognizing what's going on around them and how that can seriously inhibit their development.
Everything I said is spot on which gives context to what you're saying. You see the guy with the ball, I see everything happening around him plus the guy with the ball. Don't you notice Shurmur running Barkley up the gut ridiculously often? There has been no balance for like 5 games now. You're telling me you don't see the OL being getting no push? Here's a fact, Barkley has been hit behind the line more the any RB in the league and he doesn't always dance around, that's only when there is no hole.
You want Gettleman gone so you'll bend things to fit that perspective. I know you just want to see the Giants win but I think you're letting your emotions do the thinking and not taking control of them. I think you're just frustrated. You basically think that because of where Saquon was drafted he should do everything on his own, literally no player does this, not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, nor Barry Sander or Tiki Barber.
A great example is Coughlin vs Fassel. There were players that were average or bad with Fassel here but became dependable players under Coughlin. You need good coaching to maximize the abilities of your players. I think the Giants have some young talent that with the right coaching can become good players. They already show flashes every week.
I understand that you think RBs shouldn't be drafted so high but I do think you're letting your frustrations distort your view of the Barkley situation. Personally I don't think rbs should be drafted so high either, but I do see Barkley has impressive and unique abilities. It's very easy to bust on an OL that high. Barkley's talents were obvious.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 21:10:44 GMT -5
Who was the coach last year? Lol at blaming Shurmur or the Oline. Barkley is a good RB, nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing that matters that’s special about him. He lacks vision for a hole. He has special juke talent, he loves using it hoping he ends up in space to run. 9/10 he goes nowhere. He’s a losing player. The team is 5-18 with him out there. So a coach can't call plays differently from one year to the next? We've seen it happen hundreds of times in the NFL, happens every year, shit it happens sometimes from one drive to the next. Shurmur's approach this year has been vastly different for the most part. You just don't like Gettleman so you just want to blame the players he's chosen instead of recognizing what's going on around them and how that can seriously inhibit their development.
Everything I said is spot on which gives context to what you're saying. You see the guy with the ball, I see everything happening around him plus the guy with the ball. Don't you notice Shurmur running Barkley up the gut ridiculously often? There has been no balance for like 5 games now. You're telling me you don't see the OL being getting no push? Here's a fact, Barkley has been hit behind the line more the any RB in the league and he doesn't always dance around, that's only when there is no hole.
You want Gettleman gone so you'll bend things to fit that perspective. I know you just want to see the Giants win but I think you're letting your emotions do the thinking and not taking control of them. I think you're just frustrated. You basically think that because of where Saquon was drafted he should do everything on his own, literally no player does this, not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, nor Barry Sander or Tiki Barber.
A great example is Coughlin vs Fassel. There were players that were average or bad with Fassel here but became dependable players under Coughlin. You need good coaching to maximize the abilities of your players. I think the Giants have some young talent that with the right coaching can become good players. They already show flashes every week. There are a few layers to this: 1) I don’t blame Barkley for going # 2, I blame the GM. No RB cAn live up to # 2 overall. 2) in regards to Barkley in and of himself I’m not going to listen to excuses. His results are his results. Play calling, blocking, ya da ya da, if it’s all perfect any RB can do it, the Ravens have 3 RBs averaging over 5 yards a carry. Barkley is averaging 3.9. My question isn’t what could he do in a better situation, it’s what is he doing in this situation? I’ve watched every game of his career. He’s got big play ability, on the average play he IS average. 3) Young talent is relative. We have some, sure. So do other teams. I don’t see us having talent young or old at many key spots. The Giants are 2-9 and are looking like franchises such as the Jets, Browns, Raiders, Cardinals have looked over long stretches at time the last 20 years. Lost and hopeless. I don’t see a plan here. The Oline embodies DG for me, he talked about it from day 1. He can’t fix it. He hasn’t fixed it. It’s not close to being fixed. If he can’t fix his # 1 area of concern at the time of being hired why should I think he’s competent to fix anything? What is this team good at? Nothing is the correct answer.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 21:19:04 GMT -5
Who was the coach last year? Lol at blaming Shurmur or the Oline. Barkley is a good RB, nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing that matters that’s special about him. He lacks vision for a hole. He has special juke talent, he loves using it hoping he ends up in space to run. 9/10 he goes nowhere. He’s a losing player. The team is 5-18 with him out there. So a coach can't call plays differently from one year to the next? We've seen it happen hundreds of times in the NFL, happens every year, shit it happens sometimes from one drive to the next. Shurmur's approach this year has been vastly different for the most part. You probably just don't like Gettleman so you just want to blame the players he's chosen instead of recognizing what's going on around them and how that can seriously inhibit their development.
Everything I said is spot on which gives context to what you're saying. You see the guy with the ball, I see everything happening around him plus the guy with the ball. Don't you notice Shurmur running Barkley up the gut ridiculously often? There has been no balance for like 5 games now. You're telling me you don't see the OL being getting no push? Here's a fact, Barkley has been hit behind the line more the any RB in the league and he doesn't always dance around, that's only when there is no hole.
You want Gettleman gone so you'll bend things to fit that perspective. I know you just want to see the Giants win but I think you're letting your emotions do the thinking and not taking control of them. I think you're just frustrated. You basically think that because of where Saquon was drafted he should do everything on his own, literally no player does this, not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, nor Barry Sander or Tiki Barber.
A great example is Coughlin vs Fassel. There were players that were average or bad with Fassel here but became dependable players under Coughlin. You need good coaching to maximize the abilities of your players. I think the Giants have some young talent that with the right coaching can become good players. They already show flashes every week.
I understand that you think RBs shouldn't be drafted so high but I do think you're letting your frustrations distort your view of the Barkley situation. Personally I don't think rbs should be drafted so high either, but I do see Barkley has impressive and unique abilities. It's very easy to bust on an OL that high. Barkley's talents were obvious.
Don't bother with this guy. Nothing but hot takes backed by even hotter takes
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 21:30:01 GMT -5
So a coach can't call plays differently from one year to the next? We've seen it happen hundreds of times in the NFL, happens every year, shit it happens sometimes from one drive to the next. Shurmur's approach this year has been vastly different for the most part. You probably just don't like Gettleman so you just want to blame the players he's chosen instead of recognizing what's going on around them and how that can seriously inhibit their development.
Everything I said is spot on which gives context to what you're saying. You see the guy with the ball, I see everything happening around him plus the guy with the ball. Don't you notice Shurmur running Barkley up the gut ridiculously often? There has been no balance for like 5 games now. You're telling me you don't see the OL being getting no push? Here's a fact, Barkley has been hit behind the line more the any RB in the league and he doesn't always dance around, that's only when there is no hole.
You want Gettleman gone so you'll bend things to fit that perspective. I know you just want to see the Giants win but I think you're letting your emotions do the thinking and not taking control of them. I think you're just frustrated. You basically think that because of where Saquon was drafted he should do everything on his own, literally no player does this, not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, nor Barry Sander or Tiki Barber.
A great example is Coughlin vs Fassel. There were players that were average or bad with Fassel here but became dependable players under Coughlin. You need good coaching to maximize the abilities of your players. I think the Giants have some young talent that with the right coaching can become good players. They already show flashes every week.
I understand that you think RBs shouldn't be drafted so high but I do think you're letting your frustrations distort your view of the Barkley situation. Personally I don't think rbs should be drafted so high either, but I do see Barkley has impressive and unique abilities. It's very easy to bust on an OL that high. Barkley's talents were obvious.
Don't bother with this guy. Nothing but hot takes backed by even hotter takes Wanting DG and PS fired is not a hot take. It’s the majority take among the fan base.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 26, 2019 21:32:03 GMT -5
So a coach can't call plays differently from one year to the next? We've seen it happen hundreds of times in the NFL, happens every year, shit it happens sometimes from one drive to the next. Shurmur's approach this year has been vastly different for the most part. You just don't like Gettleman so you just want to blame the players he's chosen instead of recognizing what's going on around them and how that can seriously inhibit their development.
Everything I said is spot on which gives context to what you're saying. You see the guy with the ball, I see everything happening around him plus the guy with the ball. Don't you notice Shurmur running Barkley up the gut ridiculously often? There has been no balance for like 5 games now. You're telling me you don't see the OL being getting no push? Here's a fact, Barkley has been hit behind the line more the any RB in the league and he doesn't always dance around, that's only when there is no hole.
You want Gettleman gone so you'll bend things to fit that perspective. I know you just want to see the Giants win but I think you're letting your emotions do the thinking and not taking control of them. I think you're just frustrated. You basically think that because of where Saquon was drafted he should do everything on his own, literally no player does this, not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, nor Barry Sander or Tiki Barber.
A great example is Coughlin vs Fassel. There were players that were average or bad with Fassel here but became dependable players under Coughlin. You need good coaching to maximize the abilities of your players. I think the Giants have some young talent that with the right coaching can become good players. They already show flashes every week. There are a few layers to this: 1) I don’t blame Barkley for going # 2, I blame the GM, I know but you're basically saying that Barkley is just a good RB, I think he's an exceptional talent that looks horrible because of the team around him. I think the GM has given his coaches enough talent and that I see Shurmur specifically making some of the absolute most unbalanced and horrible decisions I've ever seen as a play caller. Things that are just totally illogical. He has gone away from what fits his players numerous times over the last 27 games.
Last season they started out playing McAdoo dink and dunk football. It took the guy until the bye week to finally figure out that the offense sucks when playing so one dimensional and that he had some decent players to work with.
After that bye week, he opens up the play book and it actually looked like the guy who coached for the Vikings, good mix of the following...short, medium and deep routes, versatile formations and looks, lots of balance between inside and outside runs, sticking with the running game, rub routes and other designs that help players get open based on scheme, good use of Barkley in the pass game, good use of deception and disguising what they're going to run. Many of us thought Shurmur's changes looked great and those were the changes I picked up.
I thought this season they'd come out and build on that. From the opening he hardly gave Barkley the ball, hardly used him in the pass game, hardly ran the ball, went back to using vanilla route concepts and went back to calling dink and dunk pass plays. He basically went back to playing McAdoo ball. Now I think he is calling some better pass plays (although not consistently) but now he loves to repeatedly call run plays that are designed to be run inside with no balance from outside runs. Barkley's best run this last game was designed to go outside. The defense was probably shocked that they did such a thing. I actually thought the offense came out run blocking well against the bears but when the D knows where the ball is going it becomes much easier to defend.
On defense Bettcher hardly ever blitzes in a creative manner and it took him like 10 games to figure out that it's not a good idea to have your Cbs playing 10 yards off the WR 90% of the time.
So how does any of this make the players that are acquired by the GM look good?
I think most of the players he selected have done well but he needs to get a game changing OLB to pair with Golden.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 21:36:37 GMT -5
Don't bother with this guy. Nothing but hot takes backed by even hotter takes Wanting DG and PS fired is not a hot take. It’s the majority take among the fan base. You mean a very loud minority that have multiple profiles(including previously banned profiles for trolling)and sock puppet accounts that bitch like entitled bitches because the team isn't playing .600 ball after nuking 90% of the roster since 2018? Sadly I've been told I'm not allowed to speak my mind for what I really feel about chronic clueless trolls like yourself anymore..
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 21:47:25 GMT -5
Wanting DG and PS fired is not a hot take. It’s the majority take among the fan base. You mean a very loud minority that have multiple profiles(including previously banned profiles for trolling)and sock puppet accounts that bitch like entitled bitches because the team isn't playing .600 ball after nuking 90% of the roster since 2018? Sadly I've been told I'm not allowed to speak my mind for what I really feel about chronic clueless trolls like yourself anymore.. Profiles? I’m talking real world fans. I’ve had season tickets my family for 50 years. I tailgate every game. My friends are a majority of Giants fans. I talk to fans at every game. The majority want Gettleman and Shurmur fired. Shurmur is at the forefront having to repetitively talk to the media and stand on the sidelines with these scrubs each week while DG hides. Inept GM work has been his staple, the team is playing $60 million under the cap becUse of his brilliance.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 26, 2019 21:51:07 GMT -5
You mean a very loud minority that have multiple profiles(including previously banned profiles for trolling)and sock puppet accounts that bitch like entitled bitches because the team isn't playing .600 ball after nuking 90% of the roster since 2018? Sadly I've been told I'm not allowed to speak my mind for what I really feel about chronic clueless trolls like yourself anymore.. Profiles? I’m talking real world fans. I’ve had season tickets my family for 50 years. I tailgate every game. My friends are a majority of Giants fans. I talk to fans at every game. The majority want Gettleman and Shurmur fired. Shurmur is at the forefront having to repetitively talk to the media and stand on the sidelines with these scrubs each week while DG hides. Inept GM work has been his staple, the team is playing $60 million under the cap becUse of his brilliance. They are not $60M under the cap
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 21:59:08 GMT -5
Profiles? I’m talking real world fans. I’ve had season tickets my family for 50 years. I tailgate every game. My friends are a majority of Giants fans. I talk to fans at every game. The majority want Gettleman and Shurmur fired. Shurmur is at the forefront having to repetitively talk to the media and stand on the sidelines with these scrubs each week while DG hides. Inept GM work has been his staple, the team is playing $60 million under the cap becUse of his brilliance. They are not $60M under the cap They have $40 million in dead cAp and Eli holding a clipboard. The team on the field is $60 million below the cap because of the GM. Of the guys on the field $60 million is invested in Solder, Tate, Ogletree, Golden, Jenkins and Remmers who have no long term role here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 21:59:17 GMT -5
Profiles? I’m talking real world fans. I’ve had season tickets my family for 50 years. I tailgate every game. My friends are a majority of Giants fans. I talk to fans at every game. The majority want Gettleman and Shurmur fired. Shurmur is at the forefront having to repetitively talk to the media and stand on the sidelines with these scrubs each week while DG hides. Inept GM work has been his staple, the team is playing $60 million under the cap becUse of his brilliance. They are not $60M under the cap Don't feed the troll Saves you brain cells
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 26, 2019 22:03:09 GMT -5
They are not $60M under the cap They have $40 million in dead cAp and Eli holding a clipboard. The team on the field is $60 million below the cap because of the GM. Of the guys on the field $60 million is invested in Solder, Tate, Ogletree, Golden, Jenkins and Remmers who have no long term role here. That’s not being $60M under the cap
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 22:06:58 GMT -5
They have $40 million in dead cAp and Eli holding a clipboard. The team on the field is $60 million below the cap because of the GM. Of the guys on the field $60 million is invested in Solder, Tate, Ogletree, Golden, Jenkins and Remmers who have no long term role here. That’s not being $60M under the cap I am referring to the team on the field. Our effective payroll weekly is $60 million less than the opponent. Yet our coach is the one taking the heat? If one team has $150 million in talent and one has $90 million in talent in a sport where it’s built to be virtually even you blame the GM. Not the coach. PS is socially awkward and does not have the authority or urgency I want to see. He also has a terrible roster missing $60 million on the field thanks to the GM.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 22:08:59 GMT -5
They are not $60M under the cap Don't feed the troll Saves you brain cells Buzz off my posts man. I’m not trolling. The team is 2-9. If you want sunshine move to California. I’ve explained what I mean and it’s not hard to grasp.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 22:22:35 GMT -5
Redacted Trolls are not worth getting thrown off of here for
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 22:28:44 GMT -5
Redacted Trolls are not worth getting thrown off of here for 11,000 responses 47% would fire both Shurmur and DG. This was taken 3 weeks ago. It’s only gotten worse since then. “Hot takes” lol
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 22:35:49 GMT -5
Redacted Trolls are not worth getting thrown off of here for 11,000 responses 47% would fire both Shurmur and DG. This was taken 3 weeks ago. It’s only gotten worse since then. “Hot takes” lol You have been a fountain of useless hot takes since your time on the ESPN forums Mx all 3 of your previous accounts here And that poll shows why I count my blessings fans like you don't run this team,we never would have won one super bowl with you knee jerkers
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 22:41:38 GMT -5
11,000 responses 47% would fire both Shurmur and DG. This was taken 3 weeks ago. It’s only gotten worse since then. “Hot takes” lol You have been a fountain of useless hot takes since your time on the ESPN forums Mx all 3 of your previous accounts here And that poll shows why I count my blessings fans like you don't run this team,we never would have won one super bowl with you knee jerkers The team has the worst record in football since 2017. The team has not improved at all. You should try watching them rather than pretending criticizing the morons in charge is a “hot take”. Wanting shurmur and Gettleman back is a hot take. 10% of those polled want them back. If DG is building this team why does the Oline still absolutely suck? All 5 are his guys. A 6th guy, omameh is already gone. He said Day 1 he’d fix it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2019 22:42:59 GMT -5
Redacted Not worth it
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Post by soflo on Nov 27, 2019 10:30:56 GMT -5
What freaks me out is that Trent Richardson had a really good rookie year and then disappeared from the field...and then from the league. I never thought he even had a good year. 950 yards rushing and 51 receptions. Very good by almost any rookie RB standards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:09:45 GMT -5
I never thought he even had a good year. 950 yards rushing and 51 receptions. Very good by almost any rookie RB standards. If Barkley put up those numbers this fan base would've erupted in disappointment..
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Post by soflo on Nov 27, 2019 12:00:15 GMT -5
950 yards rushing and 51 receptions. Very good by almost any rookie RB standards. If Barkley put up those numbers this fan base would've erupted in disappointment.. You think so? I don't think anyone would have balked at that. Barkley's numbers last year were eye popping. That's a cut above having a good rookie year.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 27, 2019 12:21:19 GMT -5
950 yards rushing and 51 receptions. Very good by almost any rookie RB standards. If Barkley put up those numbers this fan base would've erupted in disappointment.. and if we received that kind of production from our running backs this year we'd be in much better shape.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 27, 2019 12:25:54 GMT -5
barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s 2019 is showing the myriad of reasons he was a bad selection. RBs are injury prone, a high ankle sprain has turned his season into rubbish RBs are blocking reliant, well duh. This GM made the Oline his mission statement in February 2018 when he was hired. Why is Nick Chubb contending for a rushing title behind the Browns terrible Oline? Giants took the Almighty Zeitler from him. It’s becawuss Chubb attacks the LOS like a bull in a china shop while Barkley stops, hops, dances in a Barry Sanders/Reggie Bush manner. Great for Sportscenter highlights, terrible for sustaining offense. Take out Barkley’s top 3 runs this year and he averages 2 yards a carry. The guy is a losing football player. 11th in the league is terrible? Who knew?
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 27, 2019 12:27:57 GMT -5
Yeah, hopefully not, but that is the main reason I didn't want a RB at 2. They typically get hit harder and more often than any other position. Looks even worse after the report that Denver offered an additional first rounder and a second rounder to move up from 5 to 2. It certainly would to those that chose to buy that.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 27, 2019 12:29:44 GMT -5
Barkley’s 2019 is showing the myriad of reasons he was a bad selection. RBs are injury prone, a high ankle sprain has turned his season into rubbish RBs are blocking reliant, well duh. This GM made the Oline his mission statement in February 2018 when he was hired. Why is Nick Chubb contending for a rushing title behind the Browns terrible Oline? Giants took the Almighty Zeitler from him. It’s becawuss Chubb attacks the LOS like a bull in a china shop while Barkley stops, hops, dances in a Barry Sanders/Reggie Bush manner. Great for Sportscenter highlights, terrible for sustaining offense. Take out Barkley’s top 3 runs this year and he averages 2 yards a carry. The guy is a losing football player. 11th in the league is terrible? Who knew? 11th in the league in what?
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 27, 2019 12:32:02 GMT -5
Barkley’s not even on the injury report at all. Did his ankle make him drop that pass right in his hands against the Bears? Or cause him to put up zero resistance on his pass blocking? If excuses were wins, this team would be undefeated. [br DG, this Oline, and Saquon Barkley are all intertwined. The line and Barkley were DG’s stamp on this roster. Both are his. Yet the Jokeksnd Raiders put together a better running game in their managements 2 years. The Browns GM was hired at the same time as well, Chubb is 10 yards off the rushing lead and they hand Kareem Hunt to boot, both playing behind a line that is weaker than ours they just took Zeitler from them. Then there is record. Raiders 6-5, Browns 5-6, Giants 2-9. These guys all took over at the same time. Others are improving, for the Giants it’s “too soon to evaluate”. NO IT ISNT. It's good to see that we never lose our ability to just make shit up. 3 complete fabrications in one paragraph forming the basis for the position. That's good work.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 27, 2019 12:33:05 GMT -5
11th in the league is terrible? Who knew? 11th in the league in what? Where do you have the Cleveland OL ranked?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 27, 2019 12:37:58 GMT -5
[br DG, this Oline, and Saquon Barkley are all intertwined. The line and Barkley were DG’s stamp on this roster. Both are his. Yet the Jokeksnd Raiders put together a better running game in their managements 2 years. The Browns GM was hired at the same time as well, Chubb is 10 yards off the rushing lead and they hand Kareem Hunt to boot, both playing behind a line that is weaker than ours they just took Zeitler from them. Then there is record. Raiders 6-5, Browns 5-6, Giants 2-9. These guys all took over at the same time. Others are improving, for the Giants it’s “too soon to evaluate”. NO IT ISNT. It's good to see that we never lose our ability to just make shit up. 3 complete fabrications in one paragraph forming the basis for the position. That's good work. He is really good at this,has been ever since he has been on here 2 profiles ago and way back on the ESPN boards And then people wonder why the good posters start to go sparse
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 27, 2019 13:26:11 GMT -5
11th in the league in what? Where do you have the Cleveland OL ranked? Who has it ranked 11th? If PFF they had Chubb above Barkley last year and by a wide margin this year. Also where are the Giants ranked on the list that ranks the Browns Oline 11th. Sounds like liquor or drugs was involved in that ranking.
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Post by giantsrock on Nov 27, 2019 13:37:57 GMT -5
David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS. Speaking of agenda based BS...David Wilson had 3 fumbles total in college. He also rushed for over 1700 yards his junior year (he declared after that) and was a good pass catcher that didn't get utilized in that way a lot because it's not how VTs offense was built. He was also an elite athlete. Absolutely a first round talent. He went right around his projection where we took him (which was 32). He also led college football in yards after first contact his junior year. Of course Barkley is the better prospect, but it's weird to diminish the talent of a guy that had a chance to be really dynamic in the league but didn't get that opportunity because his career was cut short due to injury. Oh and when he got his hands on the ball for the short time he was with the Giants he constantly showed game breaking speed and athleticism. Had he been okay, I was salivating at an offense that contained him, Cruz, and Beckham. I think we all were. During a prime time game against Dallas Wilson fumbled and Troy Aikman mistakenly said he fumbled a lot. It was actually the only fumble he had his entire first season but that comment gave him the reputation of a fumbler that persists to this day.
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