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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 27, 2020 21:54:05 GMT -5
Reagor 4.47
Lamb 4.51
Jeudy 4.46
Ruggs 4.28
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 27, 2020 22:03:32 GMT -5
Jauan Jennings - 4.73 | 4.73
Jerry Jeudy - 4.46 | 4.52
Juwan Johnson - 4.59 | 4.62
CeeDee Lamb - 4.51 | 4.51
Kalija Lipscomb - 4.58 | 4.58
Austin Mack - 4.62 | 4.60
Denzel Mims - 4.40 | 4.39
Darnell Mooney - 4.38 | 4.43
K.J. Osborn - 4.48 | 4.49
Aaron Parker - 4.57 | 4.62
Dezmon Patmon - 4.51 | 4.49
Donovan Peoples-Jones - 4.56 | 4.48
Malcolm Perry - 4.63 | 4.65
Michael Pittman Jr. - 4.52 | 4.54
Jalen Reagor - 4.47 | 4.50
Joe Reed - 4.51 | 4.47
Kendrick Rogers - 4.52 | 4.57
Henry Ruggs III - 4.28 | 4.31
Laviska Shenault Jr. - 4.59 | 4.50
Freddie Swain - 4.46 | 4.50
Jeff Thomas - 4.46 | 4.51
Binjimen Victor - 4.63 | 4.61
Quez Watkins - 4.36 | 4.38
Cody White - 4.70 | 4.67
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 27, 2020 22:04:40 GMT -5
QB Jalen Hurts: 4.59
QB Justin Herbert: 4.68
QB Jacob Eason: 4.89
WR Devin Duvernay: 4.39
WR Antonio Gibson: 4.39
WR Chase Claypool: 4.42
WR Justin Jefferson: 4.43
WR John Hightower: 4.43
WR Brandon Aiyuk: 4.50
TE Albert Okwuegbunam: 4.49
TE Brycen Hopkins: 4.66
TE Stephen Sullivan: 4.66
TE Cole Kmet: 4.70
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 22:15:46 GMT -5
Shocked Reagor didn't even break 4.45...sure as hell didn't play like it.. Meanwhile Mims might have ran his way into the 1st round.... 4.39.  A lot of slower than anticipated 40 times..even Jeudy and Lamb |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 22:19:25 GMT -5
His routes are fine..a bit raw but that can be taught his routes are super basic. He’s just a run down the field really fast guy. Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 2 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 22:21:25 GMT -5
his routes are super basic. He’s just a run down the field really fast guy. Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 3 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. I don't get the knock on his route running at all He would probably be a top 5 pick in most drafts |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 22:22:55 GMT -5
Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 3 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. I don't get the knock on his route running at all He would probably be a top 5 pick in most drafts Easily |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 22:28:03 GMT -5
Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 3 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. I don't get the knock on his route running at all He would probably be a top 5 pick in most drafts I think people misconstrue route running and route trees. It might be true that he just didn't run all the routes in the route tree because of the way the offense played out just like Slayton in that Auburn offense but that doesn't mean he is a bad route runner. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 22:33:04 GMT -5
I like what I have seen from Steven Montez so far. I have to look him up.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 22:49:05 GMT -5
Damn Ruggs! Also had the 2nd best vertical 42". The guy he lost to is part kangaroo 44.5" by Peoples-Jones I was always kind of hoping we trade down and find a way to get a LB/OT and Ruggs. Don't think that happens now. Smoke show. Maybe the Chiefs will trade up for him lol. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 22:56:17 GMT -5
Damn Ruggs! I was always kind of hoping we trade down and find a way to get a LB/OT and Ruggs. Don't think that happens now. Smoke show. Maybe the Chiefs will trade up for him lol. Ton of recievers this draft. The OT run and hopefully a QB run will push some of them out. I more disappointed that Mims ran fast . I really thought we might have a shot at him day 2. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 22:58:46 GMT -5
Damn Ruggs! I was always kind of hoping we trade down and find a way to get a LB/OT and Ruggs. Don't think that happens now. Smoke show. Maybe the Chiefs will trade up for him lol. Ton of recievers this draft. The OT run and hopefully a QB run will push some of them out. I more disappointed that Mims ran fast . I really thought we might have a shot at him day 2. The good thing is some of the guys with really good showings were borderline day 1/day 2 guys. The guys with poor showings are 1st round "locks". So like you said someone will be getting pushed down. So much WR talent. We need LB, OT and C help badly too. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 27, 2020 23:03:01 GMT -5
Ton of recievers this draft. The OT run and hopefully a QB run will push some of them out. I more disappointed that Mims ran fast . I really thought we might have a shot at him day 2. The good thing is some of the guys with really good showings were borderline day 1/day 2 guys. The guys with poor showings are 1st round "locks". So like you said someone will be getting pushed down. So much WR talent. We need LB, OT and C help badly too. I really would concentrate on those positions ( I would add a true high saftey also but they are rare to find ) before WR but who knows how the draft will play out. you have to take the talent while its there. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 23:07:59 GMT -5
The good thing is some of the guys with really good showings were borderline day 1/day 2 guys. The guys with poor showings are 1st round "locks". So like you said someone will be getting pushed down. So much WR talent. We need LB, OT and C help badly too. I really would concentrate on those positions ( I would add a true high saftey also but they are rare to find ) before WR but who knows how the draft will play out. you have to take the talent while its there. I agree 100%. It will all depend who gets pick and when the runs happen. Let the draft come to us. It's almost a good thing to have several needs lol. I really can't wait to see who falls to us though. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 23:35:06 GMT -5
The good thing is some of the guys with really good showings were borderline day 1/day 2 guys. The guys with poor showings are 1st round "locks". So like you said someone will be getting pushed down. So much WR talent. We need LB, OT and C help badly too. I really would concentrate on those positions ( I would add a true high saftey also but they are rare to find ) before WR but who knows how the draft will play out. you have to take the talent while its there. No such thing as (position and position) before (position) BPA Now with that said We could actually get a solid C in free agency (McGovern)that wont bust our cap like Conklin would A guy like Littleton takes MLB off of huge need list. We play BPA vs need its probably going to be the Fab 4,Jeudy and Lamb... Then you have to see the depth of those positions you think will be available. The fab 4 will he gone by no later than 11,then a panic run on OTs by teams that missed out on the fab 4 in a deep class that all of a sudden by day 2,that deep class has been picked clean because teams reached for mid day 2 graded players a round too early (this always happens,and then when these players are rushed on the field because they were taken round 1 they are a disaster because they were more projects,which is why they were graded day 2 players and labeled busts) Miss out on Jeudy/Lamb Very good chance we have a player that would be a top 10/15 player in the draft in our lap in the 2nd.... Take your fab 4 OT of choice at 4(preferably 5 or 6 with some extra day 2 picks)after signing McGovern and Littleton.. Get Mims or Justin Jefferson in the 2nd... Because there is going to be legit stud dynamic playmaker WRs that would be top 15 talent normally a round later after fixing the line. Build around Jones this year via the draft,it sets up well for our investment |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 5:48:58 GMT -5
Shocked Reagor didn't even break 4.45...sure as hell didn't play like it.. Meanwhile Mims might have ran his way into the 1st round.... 4.39. A lot of slower than anticipated 40 times..even Jeudy and Lamb Mims helped himself showing off the track speed...Reagor just dropped to 3rd round status...the slower 40 plus a season of drops. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 5:51:04 GMT -5
Damn Ruggs! Also had the 2nd best vertical 42". The guy he lost to is part kangaroo 44.5" by Peoples-Jones I was always kind of hoping we trade down and find a way to get a LB/OT and Ruggs. Don't think that happens now. Smoke show. Maybe the Chiefs will trade up for him lol. I had a nice trade back to either the Raiders or Jags mock where I landed one of the big 4 OT's, and Ruggs...it was a beautiful situation |
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 28, 2020 6:04:08 GMT -5
Shocked Reagor didn't even break 4.45...sure as hell didn't play like it.. Meanwhile Mims might have ran his way into the 1st round.... 4.39. A lot of slower than anticipated 40 times..even Jeudy and Lamb Mims helped himself showing off the track speed...Reagor just dropped to 3rd round status...the slower 40 plus a season of drops. Funny though ... when they show the list of best all time combine 40 times, there aren’t a ton of NFL stars on it .... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 6:40:50 GMT -5
Mims helped himself showing off the track speed...Reagor just dropped to 3rd round status...the slower 40 plus a season of drops. Funny though ... when they show the list of best all time combine 40 times, there aren’t a ton of NFL stars on it .... Yeah, agreed...route running and hands seems to be key. Remember when we took OBJ...I wanted Martin or Donald, as did many here...they had Landry run his 40, and watching LSU all the time knew he was a special receiver as well...ran a slow 40 and that sure as hell dropped him...not quite to the 2nd where I would of liked him, but for some reason, the 40's have scouts watching like they were stranded on a desert Island and some porn video and DVD player floated ashore...  |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 28, 2020 6:41:14 GMT -5
his routes are super basic. He’s just a run down the field really fast guy. Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 2 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. I respect your opinion but there is no way in my mind he is even near Jeudys level. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 8:06:13 GMT -5
Mims helped himself showing off the track speed...Reagor just dropped to 3rd round status...the slower 40 plus a season of drops. Funny though ... when they show the list of best all time combine 40 times, there aren’t a ton of NFL stars on it .... It is certainly a combo, but no one is ever hurt by being really fast. Also I think in the modern NFL speed is even more important. Still need all the other skills though. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 8:08:06 GMT -5
Damn Ruggs! Also had the 2nd best vertical 42". The guy he lost to is part kangaroo 44.5" by Peoples-Jones I was always kind of hoping we trade down and find a way to get a LB/OT and Ruggs. Don't think that happens now. Smoke show. Maybe the Chiefs will trade up for him lol. I had a nice trade back to either the Raiders or Jags mock where I landed one of the big 4 OT's, and Ruggs...it was a beautiful situation Yeah the Raiders is where I was looking for that scenario but I'm not sure Ruggs makes it to their 2nd pick, so you would have to take Ruggs at 12 and see which OT falls. This draft could be a bit crazy with all the QBs that might go, all the OTs with solid grades and the insane talent at WR. Half the 1st round will probably be those three positions. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 8:38:08 GMT -5
Funny though ... when they show the list of best all time combine 40 times, there aren’t a ton of NFL stars on it .... It is certainly a combo, but no one is ever hurt by being really fast. Also I think in the modern NFL speed is even more important. Still need all the other skills though. Exactly The Al Davis /Ernie Acorsi method of speed first,nevermind the butterfingers (people forget how many busts Acorsi drafted based solely on 40 times,the only one that probably would have been good was Ron Didon but he was yet another guy that we lost after having a career ending knee issue the team botched during recovery) The the days of a big bodied "possession " receiver as a starter are gone..because teams just put their most unathletic corner on that guy one on 1 and still play their base without compromising.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 8:46:30 GMT -5
Funny though ... when they show the list of best all time combine 40 times, there aren’t a ton of NFL stars on it .... Yeah, agreed...route running and hands seems to be key. Remember when we took OBJ...I wanted Martin or Donald, as did many here...they had Landry run his 40, and watching LSU all the time knew he was a special receiver as well...ran a slow 40 and that sure as hell dropped him...not quite to the 2nd where I would of liked him, but for some reason, the 40's have scouts watching like they were stranded on a desert Island and some porn video and DVD player floated ashore... I think again all of us learned a lesson (me included) that 40 times came be at times misleading. Many of these guys played way faster than their times indicated..(Reagor,Jeudy,Lamb,Tyler Johnson) This goes way back Rice had a bad 40 time as did T.O Nick's ran like a blob Even Odell played way faster than his time If anything it helps the bigger guys who we wanted to see if they had speed to get seperation I think many of us thought Justin Jefferson would rock it and he did Mims was a lot faster than we thought,as was Claypool So what these guys did was show they have a legit atribute to get seperation because of their body types their route running wont be as crisp as the mid sized and smaller recievers I noticed a lot of names not on that list Van Jefferson KJ Hill... Curious to know what Parkinson did as he is a late round target for me |
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Post by nmrt13 on Feb 28, 2020 8:54:59 GMT -5
Interestingly there has been no real mention of WR Laviska Shenault 6'2 220 from Colorado here. A jack of all trades wideout that excels with two key attributes, hands and football iq. I have him in my top 3 wideout class and wouldn't surprise me if he were taken in the first round of the draft. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 9:11:36 GMT -5
The the days of a big bodied "possession " receiver as a starter are gone..because teams just put their most unathletic corner on that guy one on 1 and still play their base without compromising.. I really do not believe this though. The NFL is still about match ups. You need the ability to create mismatches. The Chiefs on the surface are all about killer speed with Hill and Watkins. However they can still create that mismatch because they have one of the best TEs in the NFL with Kelce.
Now keep in mind I am not saying you can have a SLOW wr, which I think went away 30 years ago. Guys like Moss, Julio Jones, Plaxico Burress and DK Metcalf ect are big bodied guys that are outstanding. They don't have the short area quickness of a Tyreek Hill but they create mismatches due to their size and get open.
So depending on the offense we are building we can use a guy like Ruggs to pair with Slayton/Shep; or we can get a guy like Higgins, Pittman or Claypool. All depends what type of offense we run, or build.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 9:12:39 GMT -5
Interestingly there has been no real mention of WR Laviska Shenault 6'2 220 from Colorado here. A jack of all trades wideout that excels with two key attributes, hands and football iq. I have him in my top 3 wideout class and wouldn't surprise me if he were taken in the first round of the draft. Playing in Colorado hurts him. Not that he is bad but he doesn't get the chatter like WRs from the SEC or other big schools. |
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 9:20:17 GMT -5
I think again all of us learned a lesson (me included) that 40 times came be at times misleading. Many of these guys played way faster than their times indicated..(Reagor,Jeudy,Lamb,Tyler Johnson) This goes way back Rice had a bad 40 time as did T.O Nick's ran like a blob Even Odell played way faster than his time If anything it helps the bigger guys who we wanted to see if they had speed to get seperation I think many of us thought Justin Jefferson would rock it and he did Mims was a lot faster than we thought,as was Claypool So what these guys did was show they have a legit atribute to get seperation because of their body types their route running wont be as crisp as the mid sized and smaller recievers I noticed a lot of names not on that list Van Jefferson KJ Hill... Curious to know what Parkinson did as he is a late round target for me There is a huge difference between 40 speed, route running ability and short area quickness. Beckhams 40 speed is not his greatest attribute, his short area quickness is incredible though, combined with good route running. Ever listen to people that really know football talk about Antonio Brown. They say his short area quickness was off the charts, he ran a 4.47.
At the end of the day I think the underwear olympics just serves to confirm/disprove peoples thoughts on a player. Claypool for instance. I watched him play and thought he had plenty of speed. You watched him play and thought he was "slow and ponderous". He isn't quick, but he is fast.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 9:27:13 GMT -5
The the days of a big bodied "possession " receiver as a starter are gone..because teams just put their most unathletic corner on that guy one on 1 and still play their base without compromising.. I really do not believe this though. The NFL is still about match ups. You need the ability to create mismatches. The Chiefs on the surface are all about killer speed with Hill and Watkins. However they can still create that mismatch because they have one of the best TEs in the NFL with Kelce.
Now keep in mind I am not saying you can have a SLOW wr, which I think went away 30 years ago. Guys like Moss, Julio Jones, Plaxico Burress and DK Metcalf ect are big bodied guys that are outstanding. They don't have the short area quickness of a Tyreek Hill but they create mismatches due to their size and get open.
So depending on the offense we are building we can use a guy like Ruggs to pair with Slayton/Shep; or we can get a guy like Higgins, Pittman or Claypool. All depends what type of offense we run, or build.
Kelce is a TE A lot of your TEs in your modern offenses have taken on the role of big bodied possession types when they split wide and run a slant and be your goal like box out guys.... As far as actual WRs none of the 2 teams featured a big bodied WR outside...it was all speed,mismatch,play creativity to force defenses to hesitate (the way San Fran used Samuels all over the field,including running game)to open up the run... Even the Rams Cooper Kupp has dynamic speed and playmaking ability... |
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 28, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
Not really . He gets in and out of his breaks so fast he usually leaves the corner or step or 2 behind. His route running is pretty good from watching him the last 2 years. I like him better than Jeudy, much better hands. I respect your opinion but there is no way in my mind he is even near Jeudys level. Jeudy drops passes at the worst times.Undependable in situational football. |
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