|
Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 1, 2020 22:07:41 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 22:21:04 GMT -5
This is why he plays chess while the rest of the league plays tic tac toe
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 22:36:17 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 6:10:13 GMT -5
When it comes to pick 4, a Dave Gettleman, job on the line...missing the OT last year...failing on free agent after free agent, will be picking an offensive tackle. Awesome. If you are so sure about it why do you feel the need to keep posting a 1,000 word essay every time someone mentions maybe he will do something else?
Bottom line is two years ago people screamed from the roof tops "no possible way we take a RB at 2", then last year people screamed "no Fing way is Jones going to be our pick at 2, especially if Josh Allen falls (which is also impossible), maybe at 17 but probably not because he's QB4 in a weak class". So forgive me if I don't agree that the only possible way for this to happen is exactly how you're predicting it. I just think there are too many other possible outcomes. You could be absolutely right, in which case congrats. Time will tell, no matter how many times you post pretending to know the future.
PS- You've been wrong every single other time you "knew" how our first round would go.
Just you Mike...just you my Solder loving and always so, so wrong Barkley is a 2 talent, friend. I'm working 60 hours a week, and now Saturdays...my posting time is limited, and each word so important...thus, I direct all of it...ALL towards you. P.S I've been right every single time in the what we "should" of done ...that's far more important than following a NY blog insider writer and repeating what they say, is going to be done..my wants to be right with all his might, Mike. Barkley WILL be the pick at 2...obvious to all who read the insiders tweets Barkley IS the wrong pick...obvious to all but Dave Gettleman...and assorted fans who might not understand the game these days Dave Gettleman?...why do we fans get upset? Barkley at 2...trade back if no QB...Nelson - and the entire reason we are stuck in top picks every year...the rebuilding went for win now, with Manning OBJ sign him up, trade him up Nate Solder - Mike's favorite signing Kareem Martin, Jonathon Stewart, Patrick Omameh, Alec Ogletree and Leonard Williams (all too, Mike approved moves)
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 8:23:51 GMT -5
Anyone have all the workout numbers on Claypool(as far as short shuttle and stuff regarding route running)
Watching film I see kinda a 1 trick point really good at making contested catches,running past everone in a straight line,some physical long run after catches and slants....
I want to see if he can run crisp routes inside,deep crossing patterns(a staple of the Garrett offense)and things .....
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Mar 2, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5
P.S I've been right every single time in the what we "should" of done Except for the fact you are repeatedly wrong. Everything you post is 100% wrong. Good try though. By all means carry on though, at least you are having fun with your delusions.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Mar 2, 2020 17:25:45 GMT -5
Anyone have all the workout numbers on Claypool(as far as short shuttle and stuff regarding route running) Watching film I see kinda a 1 trick point really good at making contested catches,running past everone in a straight line,some physical long run after catches and slants.... I want to see if he can run crisp routes inside,deep crossing patterns(a staple of the Garrett offense)and things ..... You are still trying to find a way to not like him? It's ok to just not like him, you don't need numbers to back it up. A week ago you called him a slow plodding WR, then he ran a 4.42 lol. He put up 19 on the bench, 40.5 vert and 126 broad. He has played all three WR positions and runs a complete route try. Obviously at 6'4" 238 he isn't going to be as quick as Odell but Notre Dame used him for what they needed.
At the end of the day if all he is is a guy "really good at making contested catches, running past everyone, physical RAC" then that's fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Lance Zeirlien nailed it with his assessment "He's a vertical challenger outside, a possession receiver as a big slot, an outstanding run blocker and immediate coverage ace on special teams. His elite traits and diverse skill set could allow him to create a unique footprint as a pro." If you are looking for Antonio Brown he isn't it.
One note on him you might not know, he grew up in Canada playing football in Canada. The first real exposure to high end coaches and competition was in college. He is extremely raw and with good coaching can become much better. Might not be what we need here (who knows yet what we need really), but someone will take this kid and get use out of him. Very small list of guys with more than 13 TDs in 1 season for ND.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 18:05:56 GMT -5
Anyone have all the workout numbers on Claypool(as far as short shuttle and stuff regarding route running) Watching film I see kinda a 1 trick point really good at making contested catches,running past everone in a straight line,some physical long run after catches and slants.... I want to see if he can run crisp routes inside,deep crossing patterns(a staple of the Garrett offense)and things ..... You are still trying to find a way to not like him? It's ok to just not like him, you don't need numbers to back it up. A week ago you called him a slow plodding WR, then he ran a 4.42 lol. He put up 19 on the bench, 40.5 vert and 126 broad. He has played all three WR positions and runs a complete route try. Obviously at 6'4" 238 he isn't going to be as quick as Odell but Notre Dame used him for what they needed.
At the end of the day if all he is is a guy "really good at making contested catches, running past everyone, physical RAC" then that's fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Lance Zeirlien nailed it with his assessment "He's a vertical challenger outside, a possession receiver as a big slot, an outstanding run blocker and immediate coverage ace on special teams. His elite traits and diverse skill set could allow him to create a unique footprint as a pro." If you are looking for Antonio Brown he isn't it.
One note on him you might not know, he grew up in Canada playing football in Canada. The first real exposure to high end coaches and competition was in college. He is extremely raw and with good coaching can become much better. Might not be what we need here (who knows yet what we need really), but someone will take this kid and get use out of him. Very small list of guys with more than 13 TDs in 1 season for ND.
Basicly a 1 trick pony Not traits to be a number 1 reciever that teams have to gameplan around .. He'd be perfect if we still had a dynamic all around playmaker opposite of him.. We dont have that
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:11:58 GMT -5
P.S I've been right every single time in the what we "should" of done Except for the fact you are repeatedly wrong. Everything you post is 100% wrong. Good try though. By all means carry on though, at least you are having fun with your delusions. Sure thing So, what moves has Gettleman made that you find acceptable? Since we have other Flowering type players on the OL, shall we again spend record setting cash on a run blocking tackle...the one in free agency who can only play the right side, realizing of course the entire supply and demand dimensions again? ...or say, "it's what the market was and we needed to replace x player at all costs"....?
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Mar 2, 2020 19:36:45 GMT -5
Basicly a 1 trick pony Not traits to be a number 1 reciever that teams have to gameplan around .. He'd be perfect if we still had a dynamic all around playmaker opposite of him.. We dont have that So being fast, and catching contested balls and running past people with physical RAC ability aren't traits a #1 might have? It's funny to me that you say he would be perfect if we had an all around playmaker opposite him. Well guess what, our WR corps consists of TEs and slot guys. We don't have an all around playmaker or a big body WR to go opposite him. I would love to get a stud #1 playmaker this draft. If we don't though we can still improve by having this guy you say could be perfect. Why not get a piece in place while we wait for our playmaker to arrive? Why only fix the WR corps after adding the next Odell?
I'm not even advocating we draft him. I'm just still trying to figure out why you don't like him so much. In your words he would be a perfect #2, he is fast, catches contested balls, runs past people after the catch, is a physical RAC type WR. Your definition of him actually makes me want him more than my own definition of him lmao.
There is an evolution to the game happening though. Teams went to this slot WR like Wes Welker type, other teams have now had to adjust and get a smaller quick nickelback to cover them, now other teams are going to big bodied slot WRs. This is how the Packers started to use Allen Lazard last year. He didn't do a ton but did enough as a proof of concept consider he was an undrafted practice squad player from Iowa and Claypool will be a 2nd day draft pick from Notre Dame.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 19:46:55 GMT -5
Basicly a 1 trick pony Not traits to be a number 1 reciever that teams have to gameplan around .. He'd be perfect if we still had a dynamic all around playmaker opposite of him.. We dont have that So being fast, and catching contested balls and running past people with physical RAC ability aren't traits a #1 might have? It's funny to me that you say he would be perfect if we had an all around playmaker opposite him. Well guess what, our WR corps consists of TEs and slot guys. We don't have an all around playmaker or a big body WR to go opposite him. I would love to get a stud #1 playmaker this draft. If we don't though we can still improve by having this guy you say could be perfect. Why not get a piece in place while we wait for our playmaker to arrive? Why only fix the WR corps after adding the next Odell?
I'm not even advocating we draft him. I'm just still trying to figure out why you don't like him so much. In your words he would be a perfect #2, he is fast, catches contested balls, runs past people after the catch, is a physical RAC type WR. Your definition of him actually makes me want him more than my own definition of him lmao.
There is an evolution to the game happening though. Teams went to this slot WR like Wes Welker type, other teams have now had to adjust and get a smaller quick nickelback to cover them, now other teams are going to big bodied slot WRs. This is how the Packers started to use Allen Lazard last year. He didn't do a ton but did enough as a proof of concept consider he was an undrafted practice squad player from Iowa and Claypool will be a 2nd day draft pick from Notre Dame.
I just want to see more than basic routes. Can he run a dig,crossing pattern,the entire route tree and be sloppy A 1.trick pony is much easier to defend,and I see a guy who dominated less athletic players just on athletic ability alone,as big and fast as he is it's going to take a hell of a lot more to be anything more that a role player at best.. The evolution in the game is because of what's coming out of colleges Most teams play a form of spread with an air raid/Option route style of passing attack,which is why the league has evolved. Smaller faster bowling ball running backs that can be dynamic in the passing game is what is also featured.. These WRw are much more advanced than ever coming out rout running and reading defenses pre snap than ever before The NFL has evolved into a hyper speed league and it's going to keep doing so,especially with the rules and CBA.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Mar 2, 2020 21:10:03 GMT -5
I just want to see more than basic routes. Can he run a dig,crossing pattern,the entire route tree and be sloppy A 1.trick pony is much easier to defend,and I see a guy who dominated less athletic players just on athletic ability alone,as big and fast as he is it's going to take a hell of a lot more to be anything more that a role player at best.. We can agree to disagree on the evolution of the game, it's a chicken and the egg sort of discussion.
My guess is the only film you have seen of Claypool is from this year. Not a knock on you just a guess considering this last post. This year Notre Dame needed a big outside downfield type WR and so that is the role Claypool played. He was option #1. Option #2 is Cole Kmet (1st/2nd round TE). The only other player on the team with more than 16 catches was WR Chris Finke. He is 5'10" on a good day. Claypool played the position they needed.
Now if you go back to last year the offense had a TE (Alize Mack), they had Chris Finke again and they had Miles Boykin. Boykin was a 6'4" SR that filled the WR 1 role. So what did they do with Claypool? They used him in the slot running much more than just simple down field go routes.
Go watch some of his tape from last year and you will see routes like this.
or this
Now of course he still is not very quick in those routes but he uses his size to box people out, make the play and then uses he long strides to run away with it. Once again I will agree 100% with you that he isn't very quick, because he is 6'4" 238 pounds. But he certainly can run more than just go routes. He works the middle of the field very well, he works out routes and slants and stretches the field well. There is some room for refinement in his set ups and route running for sure, but he isn't a 1 trick/go deep type WR.
A snip from a recent article about Claypool and him rising up draft boards.
As a sophomore, he frequently lined up in the slot to utilize his ability as a blocker in the run game (Z). The following season he played to the field (X), opposite Miles Boykin. Then, during his breakout senior campaign, Claypool became Notre Dame’s go-to wide receiver, lining up in the boundary (W).
“I proved that can be versatile in terms of inside, outside and number three receiver or flex tight end,” Claypool said. “I’m one of those rare guys who line up all positions on the field and do well, especially [because] I did exactly that during my college career.”
I personally don't know if we are the best team for him, so I'm not rooting for us to take him. That depends what Judge and Garrett want out of their WRs.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 21:20:44 GMT -5
I just want to see more than basic routes. Can he run a dig,crossing pattern,the entire route tree and be sloppy A 1.trick pony is much easier to defend,and I see a guy who dominated less athletic players just on athletic ability alone,as big and fast as he is it's going to take a hell of a lot more to be anything more that a role player at best.. We can agree to disagree on the evolution of the game, it's a chicken and the egg sort of discussion.
My guess is the only film you have seen of Claypool is from this year. Not a knock on you just a guess considering this last post. This year Notre Dame needed a big outside downfield type WR and so that is the role Claypool played. He was option #1. Option #2 is Cole Kmet (1st/2nd round TE). The only other player on the team with more than 16 catches was WR Chris Finke. He is 5'10" on a good day. Claypool played the position they needed.
Now if you go back to last year the offense had a TE (Alize Mack), they had Chris Finke again and they had Miles Boykin. Boykin was a 6'4" SR that filled the WR 1 role. So what did they do with Claypool? They used him in the slot running much more than just simple down field go routes.
Go watch some of his tape from last year and you will see routes like this.
or this
Now of course he still is not very quick in those routes but he uses his size to box people out, make the play and then uses he long strides to run away with it. Once again I will agree 100% with you that he isn't very quick, because he is 6'4" 238 pounds. But he certainly can run more than just go routes. He works the middle of the field very well, he works out routes and slants and stretches the field well. There is some room for refinement in his set ups and route running for sure, but he isn't a 1 trick/go deep type WR.
A snip from a recent article about Claypool and him rising up draft boards.
As a sophomore, he frequently lined up in the slot to utilize his ability as a blocker in the run game (Z). The following season he played to the field (X), opposite Miles Boykin. Then, during his breakout senior campaign, Claypool became Notre Dame’s go-to wide receiver, lining up in the boundary (W).
“I proved that can be versatile in terms of inside, outside and number three receiver or flex tight end,” Claypool said. “I’m one of those rare guys who line up all positions on the field and do well, especially [because] I did exactly that during my college career.”
I personally don't know if we are the best team for him, so I'm not rooting for us to take him. That depends what Judge and Garrett want out of their WRs.
I know our motto ie now going to be "what does he do well"... But Garrett is bringing a timing based offense with a lot of verticals(the Corryell) The Coryell and WCO share the timing route concept in that routes have to be precise and smooth..they are kinda at times interchangeable as Jones last year definitely favored more of a vertical attack. A guy like Claypool would be a grets fit in a team that runs a lot of option routes where all he needs to do is read the defense and run the right route and especially for deep passes just be in the vicinity..(Plax never ran practice routes but he excelled at the things Claypool does) So any team that runs the Erheardt/Perkins ....New England,Miami,Texans,I think Cleveland,Tampa (he would be excellent in Tampa as yet another big target for Winston)Arizona (the Air raid is a hybrid of the Erheardt/Perkins...)where he could be the big guy that replaces Fitz while the rest of the guys do the air raid stuff .. Jets...(would be perfect for Darnold because he throws high all the time ) Kinda wouldn't be a good fit here
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Mar 2, 2020 22:26:07 GMT -5
I know our motto ie now going to be "what does he do well"... But Garrett is bringing a timing based offense with a lot of verticals(the Corryell) The Coryell and WCO share the timing route concept in that routes have to be precise and smooth..they are kinda at times interchangeable as Jones last year definitely favored more of a vertical attack. A guy like Claypool would be a grets fit in a team that runs a lot of option routes where all he needs to do is read the defense and run the right route and especially for deep passes just be in the vicinity..(Plax never ran practice routes but he excelled at the things Claypool does) So any team that runs the Erheardt/Perkins ....New England,Miami,Texans,I think Cleveland,Tampa (he would be excellent in Tampa as yet another big target for Winston)Arizona (the Air raid is a hybrid of the Erheardt/Perkins...)where he could be the big guy that replaces Fitz while the rest of the guys do the air raid stuff .. Jets...(would be perfect for Darnold because he throws high all the time ) Kinda wouldn't be a good fit here As I said, I'm not making the case that we draft him. I don't know enough about our system to make that case (no one does). We can make assumptions. I'm just saying he is a pretty damn good WR that does a lot of things well.
Devin Duvernay is the WR I would want for us in this class. Unless we could some how get Ruggs after a trade back.
|
|
|
Post by Kase1 on Mar 3, 2020 16:21:42 GMT -5
I hadn’t heard he was Biadazc was slipping down boards? Any reason? I would do a backflip if we got him in the 3rd. I agree, he was my 2nd fav OLman after Thomas when the season started, unfortunately he didnt bounce back right after his injury. Doesnt mean he wont in time, but he wasnt the same player on 2019 as he was in 2018
|
|