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Post by lt56 on Feb 29, 2020 20:33:20 GMT -5
No surprise with him having a Track Back Ground, more surprised that he has been able to Bulk Up to 240 lbs and still running that fast
Would LOVE to have him on our Defense I don't care where you Line him up at. Either he can be similar to Derwin James or Jamal Adams at Safety or he can be similar Tremaine Edmunds at Linebacker
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 29, 2020 21:14:52 GMT -5
Top 3 LBs: Simmons - 39" vert, 132" broad Murray - 21 reps, 38" vert, 129" broad Queen - 18 reps, 35" vert, 125" broad Zach Baun put up 24 reps on the bench, nice showing. Would love him in the 3rd day. Baun might not make it out of round 1
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Post by lt56 on Feb 29, 2020 21:22:01 GMT -5
Willie Gay Jr. from Mississippi State very underrated, quietly had himself a big day too, another Super Athletic Linebacker, Showed excellent Footwork and Smooth athleticism in those Drills
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 29, 2020 21:35:54 GMT -5
Willie Gay Jr. from Mississippi State very underrated, quietly had himself a big day too, another Super Athletic Linebacker, Showed excellent Footwork and Smooth athleticism in those Drills One of my closest friends lives in Starksville and always gives me an iggy about players from this school ... Been on my radar... There is actually going to be a lot of athletic good linebacker depth rounds 3-5
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Post by mj312 on Feb 29, 2020 22:47:16 GMT -5
No surprise with him having a Track Back Ground, more surprised that he has been able to Bulk Up to 240 lbs and still running that fast Would LOVE to have him on our Defense I don't care where you Line him up at. Either he can be similar to Derwin James or Jamal Adams at Safety or he can be similar Tremaine Edmunds at Linebacker Me too ! He is a beast and an immediate game changer .. if he’s there at 4 and we pass him for a lineman I’m gonna lose it .
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 0:30:14 GMT -5
I think I've seen enough of the combine to know what I hope happens Trade back if possible and get 2 extra day 2 picks Let Littleton be our big target for FA and we have a legit MLB to add to the group Bring back Williams and Golden.. Get a vet corner to help the kids. Take the fab 4 OT of choice with our first pick and then go BPA at all the sweet spots at WR,Edge,LB,maybe double.dip.o line and WR Perfect opportunity to build a very young nucleus around Jones this year up front and outside while adding a few pieces on defense
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 1, 2020 10:05:14 GMT -5
I could see Wirfs and Simmons being the "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman picks.
I was on Simmons pretty early last year, but only if we were picking 10-14 range. Now, after that combine, its pretty obvious he is top 10. Maybe top 6. I loved what he brought to the Clemson defense with versatility. I didnt realize he was 240 lbs. I thought he was more safety size like 220 tops.
I like him a lot, but still think OT is a more important need right now. Protect our new QB franchise QB and win in the trenches.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 10:17:02 GMT -5
I could see Wirfs and Simmons being the "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman picks. I was on Simmons pretty early last year, but only if we were picking 10-14 range. Now, after that combine, its pretty obvious he is top 10. Maybe top 6. I loved what he brought to the Clemson defense with versatility. I didnt realize he was 240 lbs. I thought he was more safety size like 220 tops. I like him a lot, but still think OT is a more important need right now. Protect our new QB franchise QB and win in the trenches. If Simmoms wasn't responsible for 3 huge plays against vs Ohio State because he couldn't shed a block from a WR on one and being out of position on 2 others I would be on board..Way too boom or bust and that is to me not a guy you take in the top 10.Others have said the same thing as well. Remember Lavar Aarington coning out,6'5 OLB,shattered every athletic record out there,bad football instincts at Pen State were covered by his hyper athleticism. Comes to the pros and was a mess,would have a sick game.one week,then be lost another week. That's my major issue.... Plenty of good young linebackers with skills can be found mid rounds and we can add Littleton... This draft sets up to be able to,along with the past 2 years,build a nice young core around Jones,get great players on the O line and dynamic weapons...while adding some talent on defense as well day 2 and 3.. If you draft a young QB you have to have him set up with as much talent as possible as early as possible
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 10:32:07 GMT -5
Top 3 LBs: Simmons - 39" vert, 132" broad Murray - 21 reps, 38" vert, 129" broad Queen - 18 reps, 35" vert, 125" broad Zach Baun put up 24 reps on the bench, nice showing. Would love him in the 3rd day. Baun might not make it out of round 1 Not sure, there are a handful of other pass rushers that will go before him. Plus the QBs, the OTs, the WRs all be super talented. He also had a pretty average showing in the other combine events, not sure if that will effect him or not.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 10:37:51 GMT -5
I could see Wirfs and Simmons being the "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman picks. I was on Simmons pretty early last year, but only if we were picking 10-14 range. Now, after that combine, its pretty obvious he is top 10. Maybe top 6. I loved what he brought to the Clemson defense with versatility. I didnt realize he was 240 lbs. I thought he was more safety size like 220 tops. I like him a lot, but still think OT is a more important need right now. Protect our new QB franchise QB and win in the trenches. I'm good with Simmons or Wirfs or one of the other top OTs. Our defense is in such shambles and our OL is awful as well, so either way I am good. I do think a second round OT could be better than a second round LB. So if we end up with Simmons and Josh Jones I'd be pretty happy. I still think Simmons will be in play for Detroit at 3, although they really need a CB desperately.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 10:41:32 GMT -5
Simmons runs a 4.39 at 238 pounds. He could be 245 and still be the fastest LB in the league.
Queen and Murray both injured during the 40. Looks like they tweaked their hamstrings. Not an official medical diagnosis. I doubt this will effect their draft stock and both put up decent times 4.5ish.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -5
I could see Wirfs and Simmons being the "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman picks. I was on Simmons pretty early last year, but only if we were picking 10-14 range. Now, after that combine, its pretty obvious he is top 10. Maybe top 6. I loved what he brought to the Clemson defense with versatility. I didnt realize he was 240 lbs. I thought he was more safety size like 220 tops. I like him a lot, but still think OT is a more important need right now. Protect our new QB franchise QB and win in the trenches. I'm good with Simmons or Wirfs or one of the other top OTs. Our defense is in such shambles and our OL is awful as well, so either way I am good. I do think a second round OT could be better than a second round LB. So if we end up with Simmons and Josh Jones I'd be pretty happy. I still think Simmons will be in play for Detroit at 3, although they really need a CB desperately. The thing about saying a 2and round OT is better than a 2and round LB If you wait and take a Simmons or a Lamb early thinking a 2and round OT will be there,80% chance you will get burned badly. This year the 2and tier OTs like Josh Jones often go in the 1st,and when the fab 4 get taken somewhere around pick 15 a panic on OTs start that end up cleaning out most of your day 2 talent on day 1 Them what? This is why I have the draft grouped like this The fab 4...huge drop off till we pick again WR- probably 3-5 players that would be top picks in most years LB-very talented plug an play guys rounds 2-5 Edge rushers-nice group of tier 2 guys Centers-great year to get a young one day 2.. This is why I'm not messing around passing on one of these tackles early because it's at your own risk you won't find nothing but a bunch of projects later
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 11:17:52 GMT -5
If you wait and take a Simmons or a Lamb early thinking a 2and round OT will be there,80% chance you will get burned badly. You assume the same risk with OT as you do with LB. That is why I keep saying you have to fill OT and LB holes before the draft even if you "plan" to take one. Not saying you need to sign huge money free agents but at least capable plugs that can give you a year of decent play. Someone like Remmers comes to mind. Not awesome, but serviceable enough to not get your QB killed. Should do the same with LB, although I like Schobert who might cost a bit of money.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 12:29:56 GMT -5
If you wait and take a Simmons or a Lamb early thinking a 2and round OT will be there,80% chance you will get burned badly. You assume the same risk with OT as you do with LB. That is why I keep saying you have to fill OT and LB holes before the draft even if you "plan" to take one. Not saying you need to sign huge money free agents but at least capable plugs that can give you a year of decent play. Someone like Remmers comes to mind. Not awesome, but serviceable enough to not get your QB killed. Should do the same with LB, although I like Schobert who might cost a bit of money. Here is the thing Go big for one player Get Littleton....we have a major upgrade inside then we can mine a very talented middle of the draft group of linebackers at our leisure Go moderate for McGovern....even though this is a good C class...I kinda would prefer a vet so we have someone with NFL experience making the protection calls so Jones doesn't have to worry about this right now and also upgrade the position with a very solid guy... So then while its basicly leaving us in a position of all or nothing at OT,we have 4 incredible choices at our disposal and probably first dibs on them even with trading back 2 spots. The only thing changing this is if Chase Young falls to us,and to me like I had said somewhere else there is a 97% chance of this not happening unless either QBs go the first 3 picks ahead of us or the Redskins do something assenine... Because even if the redskins trade back or take Jeudy (or even one of the tackles) You think a defense minded coach on the hot seat like Patricia is going to let Young pass him? He is at the podium in record time if that happens... If done right(and with this team I hold my breath because logic and common sense sometimes is a foreign concept to the decision makers) If you play the strength of FA and the draft ,especially with a smart trade down, This team not only fills a ton of holes but with high impact players at key positions throughout the draft and if the coaching staff is all we think it could be This team indeed can make the worst to 1st jump like Moorhead thinks with a modern high octane offense that is well balanced behind a very good o line and young developing qb that breaks out,and an improved defense that is utalized to what they do well and some key additions... But do it backwards and we end up smashing a huge square peg in a round hole overall this offseason,throwing money at bad situations in FA and not maximizing the strength of the draft to our needs... Which probably dooms this entire regime and Gettleman in year 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 14:53:20 GMT -5
I could see Wirfs and Simmons being the "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman picks. I was on Simmons pretty early last year, but only if we were picking 10-14 range. Now, after that combine, its pretty obvious he is top 10. Maybe top 6. I loved what he brought to the Clemson defense with versatility. I didnt realize he was 240 lbs. I thought he was more safety size like 220 tops. I like him a lot, but still think OT is a more important need right now. Protect our new QB franchise QB and win in the trenches. I'm good with Simmons or Wirfs or one of the other top OTs. Our defense is in such shambles and our OL is awful as well, so either way I am good. I do think a second round OT could be better than a second round LB. So if we end up with Simmons and Josh Jones I'd be pretty happy. I still think Simmons will be in play for Detroit at 3, although they really need a CB desperately. Yeah, Simmons is a great player...nobody needed the hype of a combine 40 to realize he's a special talent. However, the OL needs to protect the "franchise" this second year, a year some consider the most important in a rookie QB's development..keeping Daniel Jones healthy and fumble free is BY FAR the most important direction this team needs to make moving forward the year DG's job is on the line. Sure, debates of later round tackles can be heard, but not the OT tackle class this year, and the top guys as step in and start types This is THE number 1 need with number one talents of a very deep OT class. Let me ask this...if Daniel Jones, like him or not, goes down with an injury...do we have ANY shot at winning games next year? This seems so easy a cut and dry decision common sense...it's not like we are reaching for a OT in this years draft...we have 4 top 10 guys...if we fail to garner one, unless it's for a potential 20 sack guy, it's a complete draft failure. IMHO of course.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 15:13:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Simmons is a great player...nobody needed the hype of a combine 40 to realize he's a special talent. However, the OL needs to protect the "franchise" this second year, a year some consider the most important in a rookie QB's development..keeping Daniel Jones healthy and fumble free is BY FAR the most important direction this team needs to make moving forward the year DG's job is on the line. Sure, debates of later round tackles can be heard, but not the OT tackle class this year, and the top guys as step in and start types This is THE number 1 need with number one talents of a very deep OT class. Let me ask this...if Daniel Jones, like him or not, goes down with an injury...do we have ANY shot at winning games next year? This seems so easy a cut and dry decision common sense...it's not like we are reaching for a OT in this years draft...we have 4 top 10 guys...if we fail to garner one, unless it's for a potential 20 sack guy, it's a complete draft failure. IMHO of course. People wanted to see how fast he can run at a heavier weight. It was never a concern of my though.
To answer your question I'd say I don't know. Who is our back up QB? Who is on our OL? What's our D look like? The Tennessee Titans did pretty well with their back up, a good D and an OL that can actually run block. Now in truth we both know that if Jones goes down we are Fd long term. My counter question is this. Is the only way to protect Jones with a 1st round OT in this draft? I don't believe so. Fixing the OL must be a priority though. I'm just open to other options outside round 1 of the draft (free agency ect). I'm 100% fine with us taking the 1st round OT route as well though.
As for DGs job let me ask this. If he fixed up this D and we had a stud defense this year and won 10 games, while the O wasn't great but Jones put up Tannehill type numbers would his job be at risk? I don't think so. But my thought is this, why only aim to fix one issue? We have a great draft for positions of need, we have a ton of cap space and a blank slate with the new coaching staff. He should try to fix the LB issue and the OL issue this year. That much I am certain of. How he chooses to do that will be interesting.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 1, 2020 15:18:27 GMT -5
Yeah, Simmons is a great player...nobody needed the hype of a combine 40 to realize he's a special talent. However, the OL needs to protect the "franchise" this second year, a year some consider the most important in a rookie QB's development..keeping Daniel Jones healthy and fumble free is BY FAR the most important direction this team needs to make moving forward the year DG's job is on the line. Sure, debates of later round tackles can be heard, but not the OT tackle class this year, and the top guys as step in and start types This is THE number 1 need with number one talents of a very deep OT class. Let me ask this...if Daniel Jones, like him or not, goes down with an injury...do we have ANY shot at winning games next year? This seems so easy a cut and dry decision common sense...it's not like we are reaching for a OT in this years draft...we have 4 top 10 guys...if we fail to garner one, unless it's for a potential 20 sack guy, it's a complete draft failure. IMHO of course. People wanted to see how fast he can run at a heavier weight. It was never a concern of my though.
To answer your question I'd say I don't know. Who is our back up QB? Who is on our OL? What's our D look like? The Tennessee Titans did pretty well with their back up, a good D and an OL that can actually run block. Now in truth we both know that if Jones goes down we are Fd long term. My counter question is this. Is the only way to protect Jones with a 1st round OT in this draft? I don't believe so. Fixing the OL must be a priority though. I'm just open to other options outside round 1 of the draft (free agency ect). I'm 100% fine with us taking the 1st round OT route as well though.
As for DGs job let me ask this. If he fixed up this D and we had a stud defense this year and won 10 games, while the O wasn't great but Jones put up Tannehill type numbers would his job be at risk? I don't think so. But my thought is this, why only aim to fix one issue? We have a great draft for positions of need, we have a ton of cap space and a blank slate with the new coaching staff. He should try to fix the LB issue and the OL issue this year. That much I am certain of. How he chooses to do that will be interesting.
The flaw in the OL or bust thinking is that pick #4 is not the only way to improve the OL.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 15:18:36 GMT -5
Here is the thing Go big for one player Get Littleton....we have a major upgrade inside then we can mine a very talented middle of the draft group of linebackers at our leisure Go moderate for McGovern....even though this is a good C class...I kinda would prefer a vet so we have someone with NFL experience making the protection calls so Jones doesn't have to worry about this right now and also upgrade the position with a very solid guy... So then while its basicly leaving us in a position of all or nothing at OT,we have 4 incredible choices at our disposal and probably first dibs on them even with trading back 2 spots. The only thing changing this is if Chase Young falls to us,and to me like I had said somewhere else there is a 97% chance of this not happening unless either QBs go the first 3 picks ahead of us or the Redskins do something assenine... Because even if the redskins trade back or take Jeudy (or even one of the tackles) You think a defense minded coach on the hot seat like Patricia is going to let Young pass him? He is at the podium in record time if that happens... If done right(and with this team I hold my breath because logic and common sense sometimes is a foreign concept to the decision makers) If you play the strength of FA and the draft ,especially with a smart trade down, This team not only fills a ton of holes but with high impact players at key positions throughout the draft and if the coaching staff is all we think it could be This team indeed can make the worst to 1st jump like Moorhead thinks with a modern high octane offense that is well balanced behind a very good o line and young developing qb that breaks out,and an improved defense that is utalized to what they do well and some key additions... But do it backwards and we end up smashing a huge square peg in a round hole overall this offseason,throwing money at bad situations in FA and not maximizing the strength of the draft to our needs... Which probably dooms this entire regime and Gettleman in year 1 As I said, I am 100% on board fixing both the LB and OL issues and think this is a rare year we can do it. The stars are aligned. If we sign Littleton to play LB it's perfect. How ever this isn't a video game and he is a human with choices, so what if he doesn't want to move across the country? Sign Schobert? I'm good with that too.
There are many ways to get this done this year. I don't for one second think that signing Littleton and drafting Becton will somehow be so much better than signing Costanzo and drafting Simmons. I don't really care which route we go because I think we can find success in either direction; it all depends who we CAN sign, not who we decide to try and sign.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 15:20:29 GMT -5
The flaw in the OL or bust thinking is that pick #4 is not the only way to improve the OL. That is the tune I have been singing all off-season. If DG fixes the OL without doing it with pick 4 how can we consider him a failure? It's silly really.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 1, 2020 15:23:42 GMT -5
Here is the thing Go big for one player Get Littleton....we have a major upgrade inside then we can mine a very talented middle of the draft group of linebackers at our leisure Go moderate for McGovern....even though this is a good C class...I kinda would prefer a vet so we have someone with NFL experience making the protection calls so Jones doesn't have to worry about this right now and also upgrade the position with a very solid guy... So then while its basicly leaving us in a position of all or nothing at OT,we have 4 incredible choices at our disposal and probably first dibs on them even with trading back 2 spots. The only thing changing this is if Chase Young falls to us,and to me like I had said somewhere else there is a 97% chance of this not happening unless either QBs go the first 3 picks ahead of us or the Redskins do something assenine... Because even if the redskins trade back or take Jeudy (or even one of the tackles) You think a defense minded coach on the hot seat like Patricia is going to let Young pass him? He is at the podium in record time if that happens... If done right(and with this team I hold my breath because logic and common sense sometimes is a foreign concept to the decision makers) If you play the strength of FA and the draft ,especially with a smart trade down, This team not only fills a ton of holes but with high impact players at key positions throughout the draft and if the coaching staff is all we think it could be This team indeed can make the worst to 1st jump like Moorhead thinks with a modern high octane offense that is well balanced behind a very good o line and young developing qb that breaks out,and an improved defense that is utalized to what they do well and some key additions... But do it backwards and we end up smashing a huge square peg in a round hole overall this offseason,throwing money at bad situations in FA and not maximizing the strength of the draft to our needs... Which probably dooms this entire regime and Gettleman in year 1 As I said, I am 100% on board fixing both the LB and OL issues and think this is a rare year we can do it. The stars are aligned. If we sign Littleton to play LB it's perfect. How ever this isn't a video game and he is a human with choices, so what if he doesn't want to move across the country? Sign Schobert? I'm good with that too.
There are many ways to get this done this year. I don't for one second think that signing Littleton and drafting Becton will somehow be so much better than signing Costanzo and drafting Simmons. I don't really care which route we go because I think we can find success in either direction; it all depends who we CAN sign, not who we decide to try and sign.
Free agency will be a huge tell ... if we don’t pursue the big ticket OT’s, that would be a good sign that we are going OL in the first. At least to me anyway.....
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 15:29:55 GMT -5
Free agency will be a huge tell ... if we don’t pursue the big ticket OT’s, that would be a good sign that we are going OL in the first. At least to me anyway..... I got ripped to shreds for saying this exact thing a month ago. It's pretty logical though. If we pursue Littleton and not an OT it's clear we are targeting an OT. If we sign Conklin and not a LB it's clear we will target Simmons.
I predict DG will target an OT and a LB though, I don't think both will be top tier price/talent guys.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 15:58:57 GMT -5
I'm good with Simmons or Wirfs or one of the other top OTs. Our defense is in such shambles and our OL is awful as well, so either way I am good. I do think a second round OT could be better than a second round LB. So if we end up with Simmons and Josh Jones I'd be pretty happy. I still think Simmons will be in play for Detroit at 3, although they really need a CB desperately. Yeah, Simmons is a great player...nobody needed the hype of a combine 40 to realize he's a special talent. However, the OL needs to protect the "franchise" this second year, a year some consider the most important in a rookie QB's development..keeping Daniel Jones healthy and fumble free is BY FAR the most important direction this team needs to make moving forward the year DG's job is on the line. Sure, debates of later round tackles can be heard, but not the OT tackle class this year, and the top guys as step in and start types This is THE number 1 need with number one talents of a very deep OT class. Let me ask this...if Daniel Jones, like him or not, goes down with an injury...do we have ANY shot at winning games next year? This seems so easy a cut and dry decision common sense...it's not like we are reaching for a OT in this years draft...we have 4 top 10 guys...if we fail to garner one, unless it's for a potential 20 sack guy, it's a complete draft failure. IMHO of course. Be careful You might trigger one of the Simmons groupies with this logic I can't agree with any post more than this.. And again....Simmons is an athletic toy...he is the Reggie Bush of defensive players that is probably a high end complimentary piece on a defense already stacked. People here are so blinded by fixing a defense at all costs that probably has more talent individually than their play indicated due to Betcher to begin with,and they fail to see that we can bolster the defense with some key FA pickups Then you hear this...we take Simmons and.. We can sign Conklin....... yeah,if we play the prehistoric style of offense the Titans play where they only throw it 15 times a game,God help us if we have to throw it because Conklin is Bobby Hart bad in pass pro....and we saw when a team that plays that style cant keep up with a modern offense (nevermind the fact Garrett doesn't want that style here or anywhere) Or This is deep draft at OT...take one in day 2 Yeah Its deep until O line needy teams that miss out on the fab 4 start a major panic run that completely clean out most of the day 2 graded tackles by the end of the first Then what? Gettleman is on the hot seat like you said..his legacy is on the line with Jones and now he lost the coach who hand picked this qb for his system... Me and you and others see the opportunity this draft to build a great young core around Jones this year... Taking a big risk at 4 with Simmons all but assures Jones will have a much harder time reaching his ceiling
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:40:26 GMT -5
The flaw in the OL or bust thinking is that pick #4 is not the only way to improve the OL. That is the tune I have been singing all off-season. If DG fixes the OL without doing it with pick 4 how can we consider him a failure? It's silly really. Please my number 1 Solder fan ..... let me know how every single move Dave Gettleman is working out so far...I'd say, regarding OL, and in all areas in reality aside from a few bright spots in the draft...it's been a complete failure...an utter display of GM ineptness at all levels of trades and signings. Even the one single OL guy he has drafted, average guard at best, and taken early 2. So, now that we have 4 top 10 picks playing OT, we're to believe he will not grab one?...on the year his job is on the line?...and try some more Solder type signings?...and doing what he failed on last year during the draft?...admitting he was looking for a tackle, but alas... they were all GONE when he was ready to fix the line, later in the draft? Come on...common sense here. Sure, throw some shade everywhere to not give away the obvious...but it's all for a trade back situation. When it comes to pick 4, a Dave Gettleman, job on the line...missing the OT last year...failing on free agent after free agent, will be picking an offensive tackle.But looking to trade back a few spots if all 4 tackles are graded closely and all are believed top LT starters... IMHO for sure of course
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 17:52:07 GMT -5
That is the tune I have been singing all off-season. If DG fixes the OL without doing it with pick 4 how can we consider him a failure? It's silly really. Please my number 1 Solder fan ..... let me know how every single move Dave Gettleman is working out so far...I'd say, regarding OL, and in all areas in reality aside from a few bright spots in the draft...it's been a complete failure...an utter display of GM ineptness at all levels of trades and signings. Even the one single OL guy he has drafted, average guard at best, and taken early 2. So, now that we have 4 top 10 picks playing OT, we're to believe he will not grab one?...on the year his job is on the line?...and try some more Solder type signings?...and doing what he failed on last year during the draft?...admitting he was looking for a tackle, but alas... they were all GONE when he was ready to fix the line, later in the draft? Come on...common sense here. Sure, throw some shade everywhere to not give away the obvious...but it's all for a trade back situation. When it comes to pick 4, a Dave Gettleman, job on the line...missing the OT last year...failing on free agent after free agent, will be picking an offensive tackle.But looking to trade back a few spots if all 4 tackles are graded closely and all are believed top LT starters... IMHO for sure of course Apparently Conklin is rumored to be going to the Jets (posted in the draft and free agency forum).. Soo..... It makes the decision a bit easier
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:54:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Simmons is a great player...nobody needed the hype of a combine 40 to realize he's a special talent. However, the OL needs to protect the "franchise" this second year, a year some consider the most important in a rookie QB's development..keeping Daniel Jones healthy and fumble free is BY FAR the most important direction this team needs to make moving forward the year DG's job is on the line. Sure, debates of later round tackles can be heard, but not the OT tackle class this year, and the top guys as step in and start types This is THE number 1 need with number one talents of a very deep OT class. Let me ask this...if Daniel Jones, like him or not, goes down with an injury...do we have ANY shot at winning games next year? This seems so easy a cut and dry decision common sense...it's not like we are reaching for a OT in this years draft...we have 4 top 10 guys...if we fail to garner one, unless it's for a potential 20 sack guy, it's a complete draft failure. IMHO of course. ..... Or This is deep draft at OT...take one in day 2
Yeah Its deep until O line needy teams that miss out on the fab 4 start a major panic run that completely clean out most of the day 2 graded tackles by the end of the first
Then what? Gettleman is on the hot seat like you said..his legacy is on the line with Jones and now he lost the coach who hand picked this qb for his system... Me and you and others see the opportunity this draft to build a great young core around Jones this year... Taking a big risk at 4 with Simmons all but assures Jones will have a much harder time reaching his ceiling Exactly what he tried to do last year later in the draft...we wanted a tackle and admitted as much, and said all value was reached away from him. Offensive line, particularly the tackles, are probably the weakest position in the NFL...when 4 of this quality come around, they will be leaving early day 1...and the second tier as you said will be run at late in the first....this sweeping the dust under the rug we do every year when the draft comes regarding the OL has got be to be done with this year...the year 4 absolute monsters with upper level NFL talents are sitting there...sitting for the biggest need we have. I find it insane to believe Gettleman will sweep the dust again, and then get caught again as no tackles are left in round 2
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 1, 2020 19:06:01 GMT -5
Notable official 40-yard dash times CB Javelin Guidry: 4.29 CB Javaris Davis: 4.39 CB C.J. Henderson: 4.39 CB Troy Pride: 4.40 CB Josiah Scott: 4.42 CB A.J. Terrell: 4.42 CB Reggie Robinson II: 4.44 CB Kindle Vildor: 4.44 CB Michael Ojemudia: 4.45 S L'Jarius Snead: 4.37 S Tanner Muse: 4.41 S Jeremy Chinn: 4.45 S Antoine Winfield Jr. : 4.45 S Terrell Burgess: 4.46 S Kyle Dugger: 4.49 S Daniel Thomas 4.51 Okudah's bounce back after setback After running times of 4.48 and 4.50 in the 40, Okudah took part in several on-field drills before suffering his injury scare trying to make a catch. After trying to continue on-field drills, Okudah ultimately decided against it. Okudah did come back to post a position-best 41 inch vertical jump along with an 11 foot, 3 inch broad jump. And while his on-field work was cut short, Okudah did display his impressive footwork that has helped him become the most desired cornerback in this year's class. Okudah, tabbed by CBS Sports as the fourth best prospect in this year's draft, will look to further show what he can do during Ohio State's pro day on March 25. Sunday's other standouts Along with his solid 40 time, Minnesota safety Antoine Winfield Jr., the son of former Ohio State and NFL standout cornerback Antoine Winfield, had a strong day of on-field work that should help improve his draft stock. Winfield, who picked off seven passes during his final season with the Gophers, is currently tabbed by CBS Sports as the fourth best safety in this year's draft. Another safety who enjoyed a strong day was Clemson's Tanner Muse, who surely improved his draft stock following Sunday's performance in the 40 along with his strong on-field work. Before the combine, Muse was tabbed as the 31st best safety in the draft by CBS Sports, a number that will likely go up if Muse can repeat Sunday's performance during the Tigers' pro day. Jeremy Chinn, a 6-foot-3, 221-pound safety from Southern Illinois, also had a solid day after entering the week ranked as the 11th best safety in the draft by CBS Sports. Auburn cornerback Javaris Davis also enjoyed a strong day, both in the 40 as well as during his on-field work. Kindle Vildor, a cornerback from Georgia Southern, also enjoyed a solid day while likely increasing his odds at hearing his name called during next month's draft. Xavier McKinney's day also cut short McKinney, the top-ranked safety in this year's draft, appeared to injure himself after running his 40. McKinney did not run a second 40 and did not participate in on-field drills. Trevon Diggs, CBS Sports' third ranked cornerback in the draft and McKinney's teammate at Alabama, participated in on-field drills after passing on the 40. Both players are slated to take part in Alabama's Pro Day on March 24. A fast day for defensive backs A day after we saw 10 linebackers break the 4.6 barrier in the 40-yard dash (led by Isaiah Simmons' 4.39), we saw 14 defensive backs break the 4.5 barrier on Sunday. Three players -- cornerback Javelin Guidry, Louisiana Tech safety L'Jarius Snead, and Auburn cornerback Javarius Davis -- broke the 4.4 barrier. Leading the way was Guidry, whose 4.29 on Sunday was the second fastest time recorded during this year's combine, with Alabama receiver Henry Ruggs' 4.27 40 standing as the week's fastest time. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2020-nfl-combine-results-jeff-okudah-rebounds-from-injury-scare-plus-times-and-more-for-defensive-backs/live/
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 20:54:55 GMT -5
When it comes to pick 4, a Dave Gettleman, job on the line...missing the OT last year...failing on free agent after free agent, will be picking an offensive tackle. Awesome. If you are so sure about it why do you feel the need to keep posting a 1,000 word essay every time someone mentions maybe he will do something else?
Bottom line is two years ago people screamed from the roof tops "no possible way we take a RB at 2", then last year people screamed "no Fing way is Jones going to be our pick at 2, especially if Josh Allen falls (which is also impossible), maybe at 17 but probably not because he's QB4 in a weak class". So forgive me if I don't agree that the only possible way for this to happen is exactly how you're predicting it. I just think there are too many other possible outcomes. You could be absolutely right, in which case congrats. Time will tell, no matter how many times you post pretending to know the future.
PS- You've been wrong every single other time you "knew" how our first round would go.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 1, 2020 21:01:39 GMT -5
Notable official 40-yard dash times CB Javelin Guidry: 4.29 He also put up 21 reps in the bench press. He is pretty small but in today's NFL he might find a home covering quick slot WRs which is pretty much what his role in college was as a nickelback.
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