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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 8:45:39 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I would love Young at 4 but what are the chances of that happening? I did not think Josh Allen would fall to us last year at 6 when we picked Jones. It is the draft one think that is always the constant , surprise. That would be great but then Giantlegacy would hate Getty for not selecting an OT to save Jones from being ruined..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 8:47:40 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field.
The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust.
Seahawks will let him go not because of the talent, but money and cap issues. On Houston, Clowney and Bill O'Brien did not get along, and they want to sign Tunsil long term to the big bucks...this was not because Clowney could not play.
As far as money, we have it.
Clowney can take over games.
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Post by wtfjjk on Mar 6, 2020 8:55:44 GMT -5
Clowney is more disruptive then Golden but doesn't get the sack totals or the games played. I'm still laughing at the comment that Golden is a better player so I thank you for that laugh. Golden might be able to help the defense this coming year but I would rather go with a different player who's hopefully stronger against the run and plays in the back field more. We can lead the league in almost-a-sack's if we sign Clowney and resign Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:10:05 GMT -5
Clowney is more disruptive then Golden but doesn't get the sack totals or the games played. I'm still laughing at the comment that Golden is a better player so I thank you for that laugh. Golden might be able to help the defense this coming year but I would rather go with a different player who's hopefully stronger against the run and plays in the back field more. We can lead the league in almost-a-sack's if we sign Clowney and resign Williams. Sacks are an outdated stat for a DL....I can double team and triple team any player on another team to not get a sack, but other players are then getting more ability to do their jobs...Clowney is a player that other coaches plan for...that in itself is worthy of more than "sacks". Pressures and the ability to take up extra blocks is invaluable...and smart GM's will be trying to sign Clowney if they have cap space Clowney would be starting on any NFL team right now...and be a great player on any of these teams...it's the nagging injuries, and cap situation now that he is past a rookie contract...those are the negatives. Not his abilities
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:11:54 GMT -5
Clowney is more disruptive then Golden but doesn't get the sack totals or the games played. I'm still laughing at the comment that Golden is a better player so I thank you for that laugh. Golden might be able to help the defense this coming year but I would rather go with a different player who's hopefully stronger against the run and plays in the back field more. We can lead the league in almost-a-sack's if we sign Clowney and resign Williams. There is a fan out here who is claiming they will both reach their hyped potential if we had both of them together! I don't know what the outcome would eventual be but these two players are at least disruptive at times in the back field.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 6, 2020 9:51:57 GMT -5
Clowney is more disruptive then Golden but doesn't get the sack totals or the games played. I'm still laughing at the comment that Golden is a better player so I thank you for that laugh. Golden might be able to help the defense this coming year but I would rather go with a different player who's hopefully stronger against the run and plays in the back field more. We can lead the league in almost-a-sack's if we sign Clowney and resign Williams. Hey, Williams single handily changed a terrible defense to mediocre one. And if that doesn’t sway you, he had 0.5 sacks on the year. Almost getting to the QB is his bread and butter.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 6, 2020 10:00:22 GMT -5
He's a good player, but not a great just another example of whats wrong with FA... You over pay for a guy like that when you're a contender and you're out of options. However, if they do meaning the giants sign this guy f or big bucks which wont happen .. esp if they want Williams, it'll make going offense a lot easier in the draft...
Will Clownly make the D better, maybe, will he be better with the pieces on the D line quite possible. We need an edge guy who can get ot hte passer were good on run stuffers... I'd still like the focus on lbers that can cover/blitz and another CB next to Baker.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 6, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -5
I don't think 21-23 mil is a lot of money for a so called elite pass rusher. And every year that money becomes a little less. He would make our defense stronger. We could sign both Williams and Golden for the same money imo. Could we sign all 3 for 40 mil ? Would that solidify our defense enough ? Add another play or two for less.
Then try and trade back for at least that 2nd rd pick this year plus more picks this year or next of course. But that would give us a 1st and two 2nds. OT, C, WR, ?
Don't really know just spit balling here, I'm just thinking if he makes us stronger. Every team has 3-5 guys making 20 mil or more a year. QB, CB, LT, pass rusher.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 6, 2020 10:26:02 GMT -5
I don't think 21-23 mil is a lot of money for a so called elite pass rusher. And every year that money becomes a little less. He would make our defense stronger. We could sign both Williams and Golden for the same money imo. Could we sign all 3 for 40 mil ? Would that solidify our defense enough ? Add another play or two for less. Then try and trade back for at least that 2nd rd pick this year plus more picks this year or next of course. But that would give us a 1st and two 2nds. OT, C, WR, ? Don't really know just spit balling here, I'm just thinking if he makes us stronger. Every team has 3-5 guys making 20 mil or more a year. QB, CB, LT, pass rusher. The problem is that we are still rebuilding and now is not the time to pay a guy 20 million.. Wait till next year when a 20 mil per year guy is a finishing piece hypothetically on a team close to a win now window
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 6, 2020 10:56:59 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field. The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust. Seahawks will let him go not because of the talent, but money and cap issues. On Houston, Clowney and Bill O'Brien did not get along, and they want to sign Tunsil long term to the big bucks...this was not because Clowney could not play. As far as money, we have it. Clowney can take over games. They would have to wait and see if he makes it to them he isn't worth 22 or 23 mill. I guess in this market as it stands guys are gonna get paid especially if they go in the first wave of free agency.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 6, 2020 11:07:19 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field. The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust. Seahawks will let him go not because of the talent, but money and cap issues. On Houston, Clowney and Bill O'Brien did not get along, and they want to sign Tunsil long term to the big bucks...this was not because Clowney could not play. As far as money, we have it. Clowney can take over games. he can be a game wrecker but he isnt often enough. The Giants need consistent production and they have the youth movement going He is not worth the $$ at this time IMO
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 6, 2020 11:12:14 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field. The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust. Seahawks will let him go not because of the talent, but money and cap issues. On Houston, Clowney and Bill O'Brien did not get along, and they want to sign Tunsil long term to the big bucks...this was not because Clowney could not play. As far as money, we have it. Clowney can take over games. That was a great breakdown the question has to be why isn't he that guy more often then not. If I go off that game I'm paying him, when you look at his career it doesn't look like that. If they signed him I wouldn't be nuts over it but it would have to be structured where it's easy out and his feet are held to the fire he just doesn't give you that week in and week out for 20 and up that has to be you every day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 12:44:03 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field. The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust. Seahawks will let him go not because of the talent, but money and cap issues. On Houston, Clowney and Bill O'Brien did not get along, and they want to sign Tunsil long term to the big bucks...this was not because Clowney could not play. As far as money, we have it. Clowney can take over games. he can be a game wrecker but he isnt often enough. The Giants need consistent production and they have the youth movement going He is not worth the $$ at this time IMO I agree somewhat with production going from very good to hall of fame, never average or below though...plus Clowney is not old...the age does not cause any doubts for me signing him...the nagging injuries could...and of course the fact he is a recognized immense talent at an important position, get the QB, and will command a bidding war with a few teams, thus that cost might be a bit too high. Of course, that's what happens when you go through coaches every 2 years, and no playoffs forever...you pay crap tax for a FA player (thus his "interest" in the Giants) He is however, a perfect fit for our defense, and he can play hand in the dirt, and weak side linebacker...he's tremendous against the run, has flawless technique, incredible athleticism/power, a knack for playing big in big games...hell, at any time any playoff game (I still remember those things) can be won by a single game wrecking player on defense. Adding this guy to our team instantly makes any linebackers job a hell of a lot easier. We need a pass rush, run stuffing player that other teams have to focus on, that will make all other players jobs that much easier. Clowney is a fit. We also could use a coverage linebacker, a center fielder and a veteran corner. With our cap space, I can easily see us making a splash on a Clowney, and still acquiring the other pieces in free agency. We simply do not have enough prime draft picks to build entirely through the draft, especially with DG's job on the line. If you really study the tape of Clowney and all previous games, you can see just how talented this guy is...adding a few almost's to the same line usually has the final effect of all meeting at the QB
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 6, 2020 13:24:41 GMT -5
Just because he wants to be doesn't mean he is going to be. That's so much money! for a guy who is a good player but not elite. I will take Byron Jones get more coverage and get sacks that way. jones is a quality player, by no means elite.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 6, 2020 13:39:18 GMT -5
for a guy who is a good player but not elite. I will take Byron Jones get more coverage and get sacks that way. jones is a quality player, by no means elite. For me they cover a little longer they will get there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 14:02:36 GMT -5
Oh, just want to add...you sign a Clowney talent, and other free agents might give NY another glance...the free agents whom have a inclination to eventually win some playoff games.
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Post by jb456 on Mar 6, 2020 14:15:11 GMT -5
Oh, just want to add...you sign a Clowney talent, and other free agents might give NY another glance...the free agents whom have a inclination to eventually win some playoff games. Realistically, 90% of the players go to the team that offers the most money. If it's a tie, you have a point...
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 6, 2020 14:19:00 GMT -5
Im not exactly on the Clowney train but to play devils advocate, if not him, who could the Giants go after to help this pass rush situation? Ngakoue is in the L Williams situation. You trade for the right to sign the player to a massive deal. Im not crazy about the Giants trading for another guy they have to give an immediate contract to. You are giving up draft picks AND massive cap. I would rather them make the big splash in FA.
As well to my question of who but when do we make that big signing? The Giants are in that position where their two prime players are on Rookie contracts, the QB being the most important. Now is the time to build this team up by drafting players around Jones and using the cap space to sign FA's as well as extend our own. Problem is, they dont have many players worth giving extensions to on the current roster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 14:31:52 GMT -5
Im not exactly on the Clowney train but to play devils advocate, if not him, who could the Giants go after to help this pass rush situation? Ngakoue is in the L Williams situation. You trade for the right to sign the player to a massive deal. Im not crazy about the Giants trading for another guy they have to give an immediate contract to. You are giving up draft picks AND massive cap. I would rather them make the big splash in FA. As well to my question of who but when do we make that big signing? The Giants are in that position where their two prime players are on Rookie contracts, the QB being the most important. Now is the time to build this team up by drafting players around Jones and using the cap space to sign FA's as well as extend our own. Problem is, they dont have many players worth giving extensions to on the current roster. Exactly...we need to attack free agency for 3 reasons 1 - We have a QB on a rookie contract 2 - We have a load of cap space 3- The free agent class is deep on defense, and our one main need is now willing to come to NY Clowney would make the front 7 far more effective, helping with Lawrence, Williams, and any linebackers in the middle....defensive backs don't need to stick on a receiver for 5 seconds...the pass rush is the most important aspect on defense, and Clowney does that, stuffs runs and causes teams to key on him. Whatever FANS might think of him is no matter, coaches are always scheming to block this guy in every film session...attention goes to Clowney 4 time pro bowl player and constantly around 50 on peer voted player...this is a very good player who can take over entire games when he is zoned.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 6, 2020 14:49:17 GMT -5
Call me suspicious, but what's his football reason for wanting to come to NY?
Is it because we are on the cusp of being SB contenders? Is it because thinks he will fit in with our defensive philosophy...the one we haven't defined?
What is it?
It feels to me like he:
1) see's as rich and willing to overpay (and he has a history to look at and feel pretty certain he is right) 2) wants the NY night life 3) wants the media's added spotlight
I would bet heavily on #1
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 6, 2020 15:43:46 GMT -5
Love me some Clowney. I'm a huge fan of EDGE guys who win with Length + Speed-to-Power + Violent Hands. His power/hands collapses the pocket, his length disrupts the QB's throwing lanes, and he shuts down the run.
Would love for the NYG to sign him along with LW. Great Inside-Outside rush combo.
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Post by Martin on Mar 6, 2020 15:45:29 GMT -5
No big value for this player who seems to get injured often. Put the money so there is comprehensive value across the team. This is fools gold.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 6, 2020 16:21:58 GMT -5
Ouch Lol But some fool will pay this guy what he wants ..or close to it its exactly what I say about Yoenis Céspedes.....how the Mets still think he is worth keeping around is beyond me. Should have been ditched 3 injuries ago. Clowney not as injured of course but he is not a worth a full time pay check. Not anymore anyway Clowney does not show up and go 100 % for every game, I watched his whole career in Houston and that's what I saw, I like him but not for anywhere near that kind of money...
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Post by TEM on Mar 6, 2020 18:08:06 GMT -5
I did not think Josh Allen would fall to us last year at 6 when we picked Jones. It is the draft one think that is always the constant , surprise. That would be great but then Giantlegacy would hate Getty for not selecting an OT to save Jones from being ruined..That one I could not guess what he would do,
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Post by vinnie on Mar 6, 2020 19:51:18 GMT -5
Over rated? Check Injury prone? Check Over paid? Check
This is a Gettleman special. Welcome to the NY Giants Mr. Clowney!
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:25:26 GMT -5
Everyone on the boards said the same things about Clowney as now are being said about Young. I don't think so. Not everyone liked Clowney coming out of college. I liked Clowney but his last year in college he played in 11 games and got 3 sacks. Young played in 12 and got 16.5. If I remember right Clowney had a fair number of "detractors", I don't see anyone that does not say they would take Young over every single player in the draft. Dudes that are get Thomas tattoos right now are saying they would take Young over the OTs. Guys that love Simmons say Young over him. It's rare to see this level of consensus.
With that said everyone can fail once they get to the NFL. There are no sure things and coaches will play a big factor no matter what.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:28:50 GMT -5
Totally disagree on this guys talent...he's a potential one player game wrecker every time he steps on the field. The money, well that's another story, but talent wise, he's far from a bust. I agree. The problem with Clowney is his entire NFL career has been the "potential" for game wrecker and very few actual game wrecker moments. Very talented player, very good player but not worth the $20m and not nearly at the level his potential would suggest. He's not a bust.
He has also only played 1 complete NFL season in 6 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 20:29:29 GMT -5
Over rated? Check Injury prone? Check Over paid? Check This is a Gettleman special. Welcome to the NY Giants Mr. Clowney! I have a completely different opinion Overrated? 2nd highest total of tackles for no gain or a loss. As a Texan 47.2% of his run tackles were for a loss or no gain. That is an absurd number. Season Pass-rush grade Rank 2019 76.7 21/120 2018 78.8 13/112 2017 74.7 29/121 2016 71.3 30/121 2015 64.6 55/115 2014 50.5 N/A His pass rush is his average issue, but that has been improving each year. Remembering of course, sacks might be stand and cheer events to LT and MS Giant fans, but so are third down QB pressured throwaways. His injuries were early in his career, and he plays well over 800 snaps a year now. He does take penalties but....he did knock Carson Wentz out.... Sure, will be a 100 million dollar plus total contract, but Jones is on a rookie deal, and JC is the one player in a position of need, and known entity that is only 27 years old. I do believe the Giants need to make one huge splash on pass rush/edge this year in free agency...Clowney wants to come here, for whatever reasons...he is willing to play on this now sad team...that alone is a nice thing, and if signed could lure some other defensive players, league players who vote him top 100 each year...maybe a corner, safety and Cory Littleton. IMHO...Clowney, Anthony Harris and Littleton takes this defense to another level.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:29:46 GMT -5
Over rated? Check Injury prone? Check Over paid? Check This is a Gettleman special. Welcome to the NY Giants Mr. Clowney! I could be wrong but I think Reese signed the injury prone guys. DG has done fairly well in that regard if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 20:35:32 GMT -5
Everyone on the boards said the same things about Clowney as now are being said about Young. I don't think so. Not everyone liked Clowney coming out of college. I liked Clowney but his last year in college he played in 11 games and got 3 sacks. Young played in 12 and got 16.5. If I remember right Clowney had a fair number of "detractors", I don't see anyone that does not say they would take Young over every single player in the draft. Dudes that are get Thomas tattoos right now are saying they would take Young over the OTs. Guys that love Simmons say Young over him. It's rare to see this level of consensus.
With that said everyone can fail once they get to the NFL. There are no sure things and coaches will play a big factor no matter what. Yes, Clowney had a reputation of being laid back...not sure he wants to play for a TC type head coach, probably enjoyed his stay in Seattle. We will agree to disagree on if the Giants should sign him....he misses a few games lately, but guy takes a lot of snaps. Three down player...I will agree we should not sign him if he goes to nuts with his asking price. However, we know Gettleman's time is short...Clowney might be a desperation move, but on a defense with quality linemen, he would fit in quite well. IMHO of course.
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