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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 20:36:32 GMT -5
Over rated? Check Injury prone? Check Over paid? Check This is a Gettleman special. Welcome to the NY Giants Mr. Clowney! I could be wrong but I think Reese signed the injury prone guys. DG has done fairly well in that regard if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, DG signs players who we wish would get hurt
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:43:22 GMT -5
I don't think so. Not everyone liked Clowney coming out of college. I liked Clowney but his last year in college he played in 11 games and got 3 sacks. Young played in 12 and got 16.5. If I remember right Clowney had a fair number of "detractors", I don't see anyone that does not say they would take Young over every single player in the draft. Dudes that are get Thomas tattoos right now are saying they would take Young over the OTs. Guys that love Simmons say Young over him. It's rare to see this level of consensus.
With that said everyone can fail once they get to the NFL. There are no sure things and coaches will play a big factor no matter what. Yes, Clowney had a reputation of being laid back...not sure he wants to play for a TC type head coach, probably enjoyed his stay in Seattle. We will agree to disagree on if the Giants should sign him....he misses a few games lately, but guy takes a lot of snaps. Three down player...I will agree we should not sign him if he goes to nuts with his asking price. However, we know Gettleman's time is short...Clowney might be a desperation move, but on a defense with quality linemen, he would fit in quite well. IMHO of course. There is no disagreeing. I like him a lot. Not for $20m lol. I would love to add Clowney to this D along with Golden and Williams and our big boys up front. Just don't want to pay that crazy number.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:45:29 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I think Reese signed the injury prone guys. DG has done fairly well in that regard if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, DG signs players who we wish would get hurt Yeah that's totally different.
DG cuts dead weight way faster than Reese though. He's been here 2 years and damn near every "bad signing" he had has been shipped off and most of the bad guys he got from Reese are gone too. I said when we brought him in the dude is old and has to work fast. Time ain't on his side. Young coaches and old GMs is the way to go.
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Mar 6, 2020 20:46:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 20:46:47 GMT -5
Yes, Clowney had a reputation of being laid back...not sure he wants to play for a TC type head coach, probably enjoyed his stay in Seattle. We will agree to disagree on if the Giants should sign him....he misses a few games lately, but guy takes a lot of snaps. Three down player...I will agree we should not sign him if he goes to nuts with his asking price. However, we know Gettleman's time is short...Clowney might be a desperation move, but on a defense with quality linemen, he would fit in quite well. IMHO of course. There is no disagreeing. I like him a lot. Not for $20m lol. I would love to add Clowney to this D along with Golden and Williams and our big boys up front. Just don't want to pay that crazy number.
20/22 is the new edge/LT...30+ the new QB....15 the new RT...all top quality of course. In 4 years, he will be a bargain
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:49:23 GMT -5
20/22 is the new edge/LT...30+ the new QB....15 the new RT...all top quality of course. In 4 years, he will be a bargain The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. emoji
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 21:17:55 GMT -5
20/22 is the new edge/LT...30+ the new QB....15 the new RT...all top quality of course. In 4 years, he will be a bargain The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. We'll have to disagree on this...sacks are not the end all tale to production of a defensive end. For certain two sides to the amount of money vs production on getting to the QB
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 21:52:52 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree on this...sacks are not the end all tale to production of a defensive end. For certain two sides to the amount of money vs production on getting to the QB Of course not the end all tale, but let's take a look at what the NFL thinks.
Mack- 12.5, 15 sacks D. Lawrence- 10.5, 14.5 sacks F. Clark - 10, 14 sacks Von Miller - no need to post his sacks I think
Those are the only Edge players making $19m+ a year. All with multiple years of double digit sacks. Extend this beyond just edge defenders and only Aaron Donald joins them. No need to post his sacks either.
Now to be fair Bobby Wagner makes $18m a year and isn't a high sack guy, but he is a 5 time All Pro and the best LB in the nfl. Trey Flowers gets $18m a year and isn't a double digit sack guy or an All Pro but I think we would all agree that's a deal no one else would give him (New England connection). Now we get to Cameron Jordan at $17.5m but 13, 15.5 sacks. Dee Ford - 10, 13 sacks Fletcher Cox rounds out the top ten at $17m. He tops at 10.5 sacks barely breaking the double digit mark, but gets it from the DT spot and is a Pro Bowler every year.
I think Clowney will get $20m...and I don't think his production is worth it. I'm curious would you pay him $20m? For the record I wouldn't be sad if we signed him to that deal, but don't want to paint us in a corner.
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Mar 6, 2020 22:36:41 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 22:36:41 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree on this...sacks are not the end all tale to production of a defensive end. For certain two sides to the amount of money vs production on getting to the QB Of course not the end all tale, but let's take a look at what the NFL thinks.
Mack- 12.5, 15 sacks D. Lawrence- 10.5, 14.5 sacks F. Clark - 10, 14 sacks Von Miller - no need to post his sacks I think
Those are the only Edge players making $19m+ a year. All with multiple years of double digit sacks. Extend this beyond just edge defenders and only Aaron Donald joins them. No need to post his sacks either.
Now to be fair Bobby Wagner makes $18m a year and isn't a high sack guy, but he is a 5 time All Pro and the best LB in the nfl. Trey Flowers gets $18m a year and isn't a double digit sack guy or an All Pro but I think we would all agree that's a deal no one else would give him (New England connection). Now we get to Cameron Jordan at $17.5m but 13, 15.5 sacks. Dee Ford - 10, 13 sacks Fletcher Cox rounds out the top ten at $17m. He tops at 10.5 sacks barely breaking the double digit mark, but gets it from the DT spot and is a Pro Bowler every year.
I think Clowney will get $20m...and I don't think his production is worth it. I'm curious would you pay him $20m? For the record I wouldn't be sad if we signed him to that deal, but don't want to paint us in a corner.
Yes...I'd make him the highest paid edge in football. I'd even go higher then 20 if I needed to... Why? Because he is 27, we need a edge that does more then "just" sacks, again a limited stat...and in 3-4 years he will be locked away and not be the highest paid player at DE/Edge. He is getting better each and every year (taking it beyond just sacks), is the best run defender as a edge, by far...and the NY Giants have a GM on a show me year, and the NY Giants having Jones on a rookie contract, and a boatload of cash. It is lining up, and while I worry about his injury potential, and penalties...I have no worries about what he brings to the football field from studying his tape and watching him...nor will other GM's that WILL be bidding on this unique talent. He is a player you can use as a building piece at age 27.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 6, 2020 22:56:01 GMT -5
20/22 is the new edge/LT...30+ the new QB....15 the new RT...all top quality of course. In 4 years, he will be a bargain The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. Clowney is different then Golden much different Clowney can impact and wreck games he can change games. Golden great guy good player but so far not a game changer.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 23:03:49 GMT -5
Yes...I'd make him the highest paid edge in football. I'd even go higher then 20 if I needed to... Why? Because he is 27, we need a edge that does more then "just" sacks, again a limited stat...and in 3-4 years he will be locked away and not be the highest paid player at DE/Edge. He is getting better each and every year (taking it beyond just sacks), is the best run defender as a edge, by far...and the NY Giants have a GM on a show me year, and the NY Giants having Jones on a rookie contract, and a boatload of cash. It is lining up, and while I worry about his injury potential, and penalties...I have no worries about what he brings to the football field from studying his tape and watching him...nor will other GM's that WILL be bidding on this unique talent. He is a player you can use as a building piece at age 27. Sacks is a limited stat but it's a good indicator, along with QB hits and TFL of how good a player is at getting through the OL. I just don't think a guy with 30 tackles can be considered the best run defender as an edge. I'm always comparing the best to guys like Strahan that got 60-80 tackles a year. That's talking strictly production though, I think you mean more along the lines of potential.
With that said I'm not against signing him at all. Not sure I would want to pay him $20m. I'd prefer Littleton because of his ability to actually cover unlike any of our LBs. If we sign Clowney we have to have enough money to keep Golden too. It's the combo of the two I really like. I'll be happy if we sign him, but hope the contract is some what reasonable.
Also need OL help too in free agency. Good thing we have tons of money this year.
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Mar 6, 2020 23:06:05 GMT -5
Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 23:06:05 GMT -5
The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. Clowney is different then Golden much different Clowney can impact and wreck games he can change games. Golden great guy good player but so far not a game changer. I agree about that. Golden is very consistent in what he brings. Clowney can wreck games, but does he always do it? No. Once in a while he does, which is great. I really like the combo of the two. If we lose Golden to sign Clowney we significantly reduce what Clowney adds overall from last year to this year. If we add a Clowney to Golden and the other guys now we are talking about real change.
Not a knock on Clowney btw. Just looking at last year he was a game wrecker twice (SF and ATL). The other games he was just a decent player with maybe 1 poor game.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 7, 2020 8:16:53 GMT -5
Of course not the end all tale, but let's take a look at what the NFL thinks.
Mack- 12.5, 15 sacks D. Lawrence- 10.5, 14.5 sacks F. Clark - 10, 14 sacks Von Miller - no need to post his sacks I think
Those are the only Edge players making $19m+ a year. All with multiple years of double digit sacks. Extend this beyond just edge defenders and only Aaron Donald joins them. No need to post his sacks either.
Now to be fair Bobby Wagner makes $18m a year and isn't a high sack guy, but he is a 5 time All Pro and the best LB in the nfl. Trey Flowers gets $18m a year and isn't a double digit sack guy or an All Pro but I think we would all agree that's a deal no one else would give him (New England connection). Now we get to Cameron Jordan at $17.5m but 13, 15.5 sacks. Dee Ford - 10, 13 sacks Fletcher Cox rounds out the top ten at $17m. He tops at 10.5 sacks barely breaking the double digit mark, but gets it from the DT spot and is a Pro Bowler every year.
I think Clowney will get $20m...and I don't think his production is worth it. I'm curious would you pay him $20m? For the record I wouldn't be sad if we signed him to that deal, but don't want to paint us in a corner.
Yes...I'd make him the highest paid edge in football. I'd even go higher then 20 if I needed to... Why? Because he is 27, we need a edge that does more then "just" sacks, again a limited stat...and in 3-4 years he will be locked away and not be the highest paid player at DE/Edge. He is getting better each and every year (taking it beyond just sacks), is the best run defender as a edge, by far...and the NY Giants have a GM on a show me year, and the NY Giants having Jones on a rookie contract, and a boatload of cash. It is lining up, and while I worry about his injury potential, and penalties...I have no worries about what he brings to the football field from studying his tape and watching him...nor will other GM's that WILL be bidding on this unique talent. He is a player you can use as a building piece at age 27. I'm not sure if I have ever read a more well reasoned post as to why we should sign a player.
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 8:31:25 GMT -5
20/22 is the new edge/LT...30+ the new QB....15 the new RT...all top quality of course. In 4 years, he will be a bargain The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. Clowney numbers last season were horrible. 3 sacks and 31 combo tackles and only took 57% of the defensive snaps I do not see how any GM can justify that season with a 19+ million dollar a year contract. In 2012 Osi had 6 sacks and 43 combo tackles and took 61% of the Defensive snaps. We let him walk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:40:55 GMT -5
The problem is to be a top edge defender you have to produce sacks. Pressures are not enough. Leonard Williams gets more pressures than any other DT in the league, but he ain't a top tier DT.
Clowney IMO is in the same league as Golden when it comes to actual production. That's fine but not top tier fine. Clowney numbers last season were horrible. 3 sacks and 31 combo tackles and only took 57% of the defensive snaps I do not see how any GM can justify that season with a 19+ million dollar a year contract. In 2012 Osi had 6 sacks and 43 combo tackles and took 61% of the Defensive snaps. We let him walk. Well, prepare for the apocalypse TEM
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 8:49:35 GMT -5
Clowney numbers last season were horrible. 3 sacks and 31 combo tackles and only took 57% of the defensive snaps I do not see how any GM can justify that season with a 19+ million dollar a year contract. In 2012 Osi had 6 sacks and 43 combo tackles and took 61% of the Defensive snaps. We let him walk. I agree that I personally wouldn't do it but I also know how the NFL works and know he will get the biggest contract of any defender this year.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 8:57:44 GMT -5
Well, prepare for the apocalypse TEM I hear the locusts already lol. Honestly a month ago he might not have gotten that much money. Once the other two big time defenders got franchise tagged it became very clear who the #1 target would be and that always leads to big contracts. Now we might be looking at Golden getting $15m a year. There simply are not many pass rush options in free agency.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:59:03 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-misleading-sack-numbers-free-agents-2020We can debate this until we're all repeating ourselves. I, and others, would sign him in a NY minute TEM, and others would not I am not changing my stance on this until his bidding price went past what I call reasonable...I can watch every game he plays and see impact player. Is he a sack machine?....never has been, but the stats go past that..he WILL be bid on, and teams with space who need an impact edge will get one. Comparing him to Tuck's last season or Golden is narrow thought....and thankfully the NFL, GM's and advanced stats can see where he actually belongs. Bring on the Clown
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 9:00:28 GMT -5
Well, prepare for the apocalypse TEM I hear the locusts already lol. Honestly a month ago he might not have gotten that much money. Once the other two big time defenders got franchise tagged it became very clear who the #1 target would be and that always leads to big contracts. Now we might be looking at Golden getting $15m a year. There simply are not many pass rush options in free agency. Golden at 15 is brutal...Clowney brings so, so, so much more to a football field.
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 9:02:41 GMT -5
Of course not the end all tale, but let's take a look at what the NFL thinks.
Mack- 12.5, 15 sacks D. Lawrence- 10.5, 14.5 sacks F. Clark - 10, 14 sacks Von Miller - no need to post his sacks I think
Those are the only Edge players making $19m+ a year. All with multiple years of double digit sacks. Extend this beyond just edge defenders and only Aaron Donald joins them. No need to post his sacks either.
Now to be fair Bobby Wagner makes $18m a year and isn't a high sack guy, but he is a 5 time All Pro and the best LB in the nfl. Trey Flowers gets $18m a year and isn't a double digit sack guy or an All Pro but I think we would all agree that's a deal no one else would give him (New England connection). Now we get to Cameron Jordan at $17.5m but 13, 15.5 sacks. Dee Ford - 10, 13 sacks Fletcher Cox rounds out the top ten at $17m. He tops at 10.5 sacks barely breaking the double digit mark, but gets it from the DT spot and is a Pro Bowler every year.
I think Clowney will get $20m...and I don't think his production is worth it. I'm curious would you pay him $20m? For the record I wouldn't be sad if we signed him to that deal, but don't want to paint us in a corner.
Yes...I'd make him the highest paid edge in football. I'd even go higher then 20 if I needed to... Why? Because he is 27, we need a edge that does more then "just" sacks, again a limited stat...and in 3-4 years he will be locked away and not be the highest paid player at DE/Edge. He is getting better each and every year (taking it beyond just sacks), is the best run defender as a edge, by far...and the NY Giants have a GM on a show me year, and the NY Giants having Jones on a rookie contract, and a boatload of cash. It is lining up, and while I worry about his injury potential, and penalties...I have no worries about what he brings to the football field from studying his tape and watching him...nor will other GM's that WILL be bidding on this unique talent. He is a player you can use as a building piece at age 27. He is getting better every year? He is not. His numbers are steadily falling off and his snap count is going down. Is the best run defender as a edge by far? He has never had a high tackle rate. So how is a low tackle rate that an indicator of proficient run defense? Last year he played in 13 games and still only on the field 57% of the defensive snaps. 1100 snaps in a 16 season @ 57% ( 627 ) Clowney had 624. 1100 / 16 = 69 snaps per game . 69 *13 = (897) , that would be Defensive snap count @ 100% For 13 games @ 80% the amount of snaps. 80% is what a great player should be taking . 80% would be 718 snaps. He only took 627. (70%) in the games he played. Not to mention he can't stay on the field. One full season out of 6. His best years are behind him. He peaked in 2017 and is now in decline. No matter what anyone thinks . Snap count matters. Because every time a player that is making big bucks , and is not on the field . He is getting paid to sit and his subordinate is being payed to play. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClowJa00.htm
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 9:03:58 GMT -5
Clowney numbers last season were horrible. 3 sacks and 31 combo tackles and only took 57% of the defensive snaps I do not see how any GM can justify that season with a 19+ million dollar a year contract. In 2012 Osi had 6 sacks and 43 combo tackles and took 61% of the Defensive snaps. We let him walk. Well, prepare for the apocalypse TEM Numbers and film do not lie. He can't stay on the field and his numbers are in decline. I an sick of paying players Pugh, Vernon, OBJ to play 12 games . IMO: you have trouble playing a full season with some consistency . Let someone else pay you,
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 9:09:03 GMT -5
Golden at 15 is brutal...Clowney brings so, so, so much more to a football field. I'm just trying to read tea leaves here. Clowney "brings more" and I predicted he will get $5m more a year. I pointed it out earlier though, Clowney brings more in the ceiling of his ability. He truly can take over games. But that isn't that common (twice last year). Where as Golden is not taking over a game, but is consistent in what he brings. Both have their place and I would love to have both. I don't want to get stuck without a game changer and without a consistent presence.
All depends on what type of defender you are looking for. The potential to take over games is why Clowney will get a bigger contract. Golden's steady production is why he will get paid, although it will be a lesser amount.
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 9:24:08 GMT -5
Clowney numbers last season were horrible. 3 sacks and 31 combo tackles and only took 57% of the defensive snaps I do not see how any GM can justify that season with a 19+ million dollar a year contract. In 2012 Osi had 6 sacks and 43 combo tackles and took 61% of the Defensive snaps. We let him walk. I agree that I personally wouldn't do it but I also know how the NFL works and know he will get the biggest contract of any defender this year. I agree someone will pay him. IMO: let someone else buy that sake oil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 9:43:58 GMT -5
Yes...I'd make him the highest paid edge in football. I'd even go higher then 20 if I needed to... Why? Because he is 27, we need a edge that does more then "just" sacks, again a limited stat...and in 3-4 years he will be locked away and not be the highest paid player at DE/Edge. He is getting better each and every year (taking it beyond just sacks), is the best run defender as a edge, by far...and the NY Giants have a GM on a show me year, and the NY Giants having Jones on a rookie contract, and a boatload of cash. It is lining up, and while I worry about his injury potential, and penalties...I have no worries about what he brings to the football field from studying his tape and watching him...nor will other GM's that WILL be bidding on this unique talent. He is a player you can use as a building piece at age 27. He is getting better every year? He is not. His numbers are steadily falling off and his snap count is going down. Is the best run defender as a edge by far? He has never had a high tackle rate. So how is a low tackle rate that an indicator of proficient run defense? Last year he played in 13 games and still only on the field 57% of the defensive snaps. 1100 snaps in a 16 season @ 57% ( 627 ) Clowney had 624. 1100 / 16 = 69 snaps per game . 69 *13 = (897) , that would be Defensive snap count @ 100% For 13 games @ 80% the amount of snaps. 80% is what a great player should be taking . 8)5 would be 718 snaps. He only took 627. (70%) in the games he played. Not to mention he can't stay on the field. One full season out of 6. His best years are behind him. He peaked in 2017 and is now in decline. His numbers are improving TEM...apologies to your math. But I am certainly not going to get you worked up into a nerd frenzy today...your numbers you believe in say, stay away from signing him, and the numbers I use from PFF suggest the exact opposite. After watching with mouth ajar your 3000 anti Josh Allen the QB posts with completion percentage, I am not even entering this thing I concede ... you win the board math stat debate, although without changing my wanting to sign Clowney. I will adhere to PFF and his much improving stats year by year, and ask from my God we sign him at a 100 million dollar contract...you do not want this. Apologies, but need to do my taxes today....too much boring math approaching Yes to Clowney and his 3 sacks
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 9:46:42 GMT -5
He is getting better every year? He is not. His numbers are steadily falling off and his snap count is going down. Is the best run defender as a edge by far? He has never had a high tackle rate. So how is a low tackle rate that an indicator of proficient run defense? Last year he played in 13 games and still only on the field 57% of the defensive snaps. 1100 snaps in a 16 season @ 57% ( 627 ) Clowney had 624. 1100 / 16 = 69 snaps per game . 69 *13 = (897) , that would be Defensive snap count @ 100% For 13 games @ 80% the amount of snaps. 80% is what a great player should be taking . 8)5 would be 718 snaps. He only took 627. (70%) in the games he played. Not to mention he can't stay on the field. One full season out of 6. His best years are behind him. He peaked in 2017 and is now in decline. His numbers are improving TEM...apologies to your math. But I am certainly not going to get you worked up into a nerd frenzy today...your numbers you believe in say, stay away from signing him, and the numbers I use from PFF suggest the exact opposite. After watching with mouth ajar your 3000 anti Josh Allen the QB posts with completion percentage, I am not even entering this thing I concede ... you win the board math stat debate, although without changing my wanting to sign Clowney. I will adhere to PFF and his much improving stats year by year, and ask from my God we sign him at a 100 million dollar contract...you do not want this. Apologies, but need to do my taxes today....too much boring math approaching Yes to Clowney and his 3 sacks And don't forget his 31 tackles . That is worth 23 million. Can you show his improving numbers? I can't find them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 9:49:19 GMT -5
Golden at 15 is brutal...Clowney brings so, so, so much more to a football field. I'm just trying to read tea leaves here. Clowney "brings more" and I predicted he will get $5m more a year. I pointed it out earlier though, Clowney brings more in the ceiling of his ability. He truly can take over games. But that isn't that common (twice last year). Where as Golden is not taking over a game, but is consistent in what he brings. Both have their place and I would love to have both. I don't want to get stuck without a game changer and without a consistent presence.
All depends on what type of defender you are looking for. The potential to take over games is why Clowney will get a bigger contract. Golden's steady production is why he will get paid, although it will be a lesser amount.
Do you believe Golden is a Bettcher system guy?...as some suggest? He really lacks speed, bend quickness, moves... Watch and tell me when Golden makes his sack, what do you see/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 9:50:59 GMT -5
His numbers are improving TEM...apologies to your math. But I am certainly not going to get you worked up into a nerd frenzy today...your numbers you believe in say, stay away from signing him, and the numbers I use from PFF suggest the exact opposite. After watching with mouth ajar your 3000 anti Josh Allen the QB posts with completion percentage, I am not even entering this thing I concede ... you win the board math stat debate, although without changing my wanting to sign Clowney. I will adhere to PFF and his much improving stats year by year, and ask from my God we sign him at a 100 million dollar contract...you do not want this. Apologies, but need to do my taxes today....too much boring math approaching Yes to Clowney and his 3 sacks And don't forget his 31 tackles . That is worth 23 million. Can you show his improving numbers? I can't find them. Okay Yes to Clowney and his 31 tackles
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 9:53:05 GMT -5
And don't forget his 31 tackles . That is worth 23 million. Can you show his improving numbers? I can't find them. Okay Yes to Clowney and his 31 tackles The way I see it . You pay a guy that is peaking not past it. He peaked 2 years ago .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:09:18 GMT -5
Okay Yes to Clowney and his 31 tackles The way I see it . You pay a guy that is peaking not past it. He peaked 2 years ago . Yes, he is all peaked out...
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 10:11:25 GMT -5
The way I see it . You pay a guy that is peaking not past it. He peaked 2 years ago . Yes, he is all peaked out... I agree.
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