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Post by lexington11 on Apr 7, 2020 8:31:59 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 8:44:18 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year.
To summaries: we get negative return.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 7, 2020 8:50:16 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. If we get Yannick (and sign him) plus a third round pick, and use pick number 9 to take an OT? Damn, that would be pretty nice. |
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Post by jb456 on Apr 7, 2020 9:00:58 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. He doesn't even want to stay in Jacksonville and has made that publicly known. What is a player who doesn't want to play for his team and wants a monster deal worth? A 3rd tops? They might even be able to get him on the open market after the season if they really want him. THIS DEAL IS BAD.... |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 7, 2020 9:01:56 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. If we get Yannick (and sign him) plus a third round pick, and use pick number 9 to take an OT? Damn, that would be pretty nice. thank you. Somebody with a clue. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:02:29 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. I agree. I thought the same was true with Williams. It wasn't. he has already said he wants to be the highest paid pass rusher in the league (22). To me he is another guy that wants top dollar for just average production. He has a low tackle % and an 8-9 sack a year player. We get the same production with Carter and X , 9 sacks and 70 tackles between them for 91% less. Yannick 8 sacks and 41 tackles. What he wants does not add up to his demand. I do not even know if it is with in the rules to have 2 tagged players on the roster at the same time. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:03:13 GMT -5
This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. If we get Yannick (and sign him) plus a third round pick, and use pick number 9 to take an OT? Damn, that would be pretty nice. thank you. Somebody with a clue. What do you pay an 8 sack 41 tackle player? |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 7, 2020 9:03:51 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. they aren’t giving up the 99th pick, they were getting in return but already have. The writer screwed up. They were actually gaining a 3rd round pick. read before you turn to instant doom and gloom. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:05:33 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. He doesn't even want to stay in Jacksonville and has made that publicly known. What is a player who doesn't want to play for his team and wants a monster deal worth? A 3rd tops? They might even be able to get him on the open market after the season if they really want him. THIS DEAL IS BAD.... In every way imaginable. The production is not there for giving up what proposed in the trade. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:08:16 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. they aren’t giving up the 99th pick, they were getting in return but already have. The writer screwed up. They were actually gaining a 3rd round pick. read before you turn to instant doom and gloom. We are getting a 3rd what pick # is that? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2020 9:22:18 GMT -5
they aren’t giving up the 99th pick, they were getting in return but already have. The writer screwed up. They were actually gaining a 3rd round pick. read before you turn to instant doom and gloom. We are getting a 3rd what pick # is that? Their 3rd round pick Its interesting,though what do we do with William's I like getting the extra pick as well in the 3rd, But how do we structure his deal,keep Williams and not have a massive cash over cap possible dead money bomb down the road,which is what we are trying to avoid again. This works by keeping William's as well |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:30:32 GMT -5
We are getting a 3rd what pick # is that? Their 3rd round pick Its interesting,though what do we do with William's I like getting the extra pick as well in the 3rd, But how do we structure his deal,keep Williams and not have a massive cash over cap possible dead money bomb down the road,which is what we are trying to avoid again. This works by keeping William's as well Lets say there is no deal or it falls through after the trade. I do not know the NFL rule on the legality of having 2 tagged players at the same time. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2020 9:35:55 GMT -5
Their 3rd round pick Its interesting,though what do we do with William's I like getting the extra pick as well in the 3rd, But how do we structure his deal,keep Williams and not have a massive cash over cap possible dead money bomb down the road,which is what we are trying to avoid again. This works by keeping William's as well Lets say there is no deal or it falls through after the trade. I do not know the NFL rule on the legality of having 2 tagged players at the same time. You can't have 2 tagged players..... |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:38:11 GMT -5
Lets say there is no deal or it falls through after the trade. I do not know the NFL rule on the legality of having 2 tagged players at the same time. You can't have 2 tagged players..... Would it make the trade invalid? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 7, 2020 9:39:29 GMT -5
Wilson has the Giants acquiring Ngakoue, the No. 9 pick and the No. 99 pick in exchange for the No. 4 pick, which Jacksonville uses to select Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert.
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My God so much wrong here. #1, the Giants cant acquire the #99 pick since they already have the #99 pick. So Im assuming he meant the Giants were ginving the #99 pick away in this package.
Giants get:
#9 pick and Ngakoue
Jags get:
#4 pick and #99 pick
I do this trade if you take out the #99 pick and we have Ngakoue signed to a 5 year $85M deal max ($17m per). Guarantee $50m and front load it so we can move on in 3 years if needed.
Problem is, and I am 100% confident in this and keep saying it over and over, THE JAGS ARE GOING WITH MINSHEW IN 2020! They arent trading up for a QB. Minshew put up a great season for a rookie on a bad team. There is a ton of talent and potential with this kid. Why would they just give up on him? They will build around him not over him.
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 7, 2020 9:41:03 GMT -5
Giants , can rescind Williams tender. Williams has not signed his tender. Yannick, , can be had for 19 or 20 million a year.
Again depends on guarantee money.
But, Giants can not sign Williams and Yannick long term.
Barkley and Jones etc. , contracts will be coming up soon.
Yes, I read the same , Giants will get Jaguars third round pick .
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Post by jb456 on Apr 7, 2020 9:52:06 GMT -5
This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. If we get Yannick (and sign him) plus a third round pick, and use pick number 9 to take an OT? Damn, that would be pretty nice. thank you. Somebody with a clue. So Jacksonville trades a good player (not great) and his future $100M contract to the giants. (A player that doesn't even want to be there). And the Giants get a late 3rd round pick. Jacksonville gets their QB of the future and this is a no brainer? This isn't a slam dunk trade and if the Jacksonville wanted a QB and the Giants wanted this deal, they could send an intern to get this deal done. Also, like theAnalyst mentioned, why would anyone give up on Minshew? |
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 9:59:57 GMT -5
Giants , can rescind Williams tender. Williams has not signed his tender. Yannick, , can be had for 19 or 20 million a year. Again depends on guarantee money. But, Giants can not sign Williams and Yannick long term. Barkley and Jones etc. , contracts will be coming up soon. Yes, I read the same , Giants will get Jaguars third round pick . I read it differently it said if they had 99 ( they don't ) It does not say in any part of it we get 74. or any other pick. I will ask you how do you justify 20 million for a 8 sack, 15 Qb hits, and 41 tackle Pass rusher? That is not bad season but his career average. 2.5 per sack or 500 thousand a tackle . Where is the value in that? Just emptying the vault does not change what he is. We won't sign Golden for less and he had 10 sacks 27 QB hits and 72 tackles. And we keep our pick. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2020 10:19:41 GMT -5
So my question again with Yannik
What exactly does he do well that he deserves a 100 million dollar contract?
I'd actually be more enthusiastic about the 3rd round pick thrown in
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2020 10:40:16 GMT -5
So my question again with Yannik What exactly does he do well that he deserves a 100 million dollar contract? I'd actually be more enthusiastic about the 3rd round pick thrown in We can get a 3rd without Yannick as a boat anchor. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 10:54:35 GMT -5
Or we could just sign Clowney for 18...
Yannick?
Assets too?
Seems like a silly trade...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 7, 2020 11:04:00 GMT -5
Giants , can rescind Williams tender. Williams has not signed his tender. Yannick, , can be had for 19 or 20 million a year. Again depends on guarantee money. But, Giants can not sign Williams and Yannick long term. Barkley and Jones etc. , contracts will be coming up soon.Yes, I read the same , Giants will get Jaguars third round pick . Those 2 contracts wont be up for 3 and 4 seasons. Thats FAR away in football years. Im not sure its smart to resign Barkley anyways. We made the mistake taking him at #2 lets not compound it by giving him $20m a year. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 7, 2020 11:04:42 GMT -5
Or we could just sign Clowney for 18... Yannick? Assets too? Seems like a silly trade... Id rather Golden for 10 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 11:34:56 GMT -5
Or we could just sign Clowney for 18... Yannick? Assets too? Seems like a silly trade... Id rather Golden for 10 Hahaha...and away we go again.  Rather have a guy who takes 2 blockers to contain.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 11:37:40 GMT -5
Giants , can rescind Williams tender. Williams has not signed his tender. Yannick, , can be had for 19 or 20 million a year. Again depends on guarantee money. But, Giants can not sign Williams and Yannick long term. Barkley and Jones etc. , contracts will be coming up soon.Yes, I read the same , Giants will get Jaguars third round pick . Those 2 contracts wont be up for 3 and 4 seasons. Thats FAR away in football years. Im not sure its smart to resign Barkley anyways. We made the mistake taking him at #2 lets not compound it by giving him $20m a year. Oh crap, that would be a team mess if we did that....and we sort of have already committed ourselves to that amount simply by taking him at 2. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -5
Or we could just sign Clowney for 18... Yannick? Assets too? Seems like a silly trade... Id rather Golden for 10 Why when we could get Golden 3 year 18 million 10 guarenteed..? For free And a trade back with the Chargers to 6 for their 2nd and 3rd.. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 7, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -5
Why when we could get Golden 3 year 18 million 10 guarenteed..? For free And a trade back with the Chargers to 6 for their 2nd and 3rd.. I think that is extremely cheap for Golden so of course I would love that. $6 a year? Sign me up. And of course Id love the trade back to 6 for extra draft capital. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2020 12:09:25 GMT -5
Why when we could get Golden 3 year 18 million 10 guarenteed..? For free And a trade back with the Chargers to 6 for their 2nd and 3rd.. I think that is extremely cheap for Golden so of course I would love that. $6 a year? Sign me up. And of course Id love the trade back to 6 for extra draft capital. It would be a 1 year 10 million dollar deal in effect for Golden...because he would be deleteable after this year. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 7, 2020 12:24:10 GMT -5
Giants , can rescind Williams tender. Williams has not signed his tender. Yannick, , can be had for 19 or 20 million a year. Again depends on guarantee money. But, Giants can not sign Williams and Yannick long term. Barkley and Jones etc. , contracts will be coming up soon.Yes, I read the same , Giants will get Jaguars third round pick . Those 2 contracts wont be up for 3 and 4 seasons. Thats FAR away in football years. Im not sure its smart to resign Barkley anyways. We made the mistake taking him at #2 lets not compound it by giving him $20m a year. I agree with you on Barkley. I wanted Nelson or even B. Chubb. Water under the bridge. Yannick, I personally would not want him but went with scenario. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 19:06:08 GMT -5
So we end up with a tagged player that wants 22 a year. Is all this does is devalue the Giants #4 pick . We end up with #9 and lose or only 3rd round pick . For a guy that is going to walk next year. To summaries: we get negative return. This deal couldn't even be considered without Yannick agreeing to a long term deal with us as part of the trade. If we get Yannick (and sign him) plus a third round pick, and use pick number 9 to take an OT? Damn, that would be pretty nice. Or it turns into another Williams trade |
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