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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 13, 2020 19:44:56 GMT -5
Jerry Reese...is that you? The last time we crossed that bridge, the team went to s--t. Which bridge was that? I don't remember Jerry giving a big pay day to a RB. All his money went to pass rushers and CBs. Probably would have been better off signing a RB honestly lol. And other assorted hood ornaments.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2020 19:45:51 GMT -5
Lol. A re-sign saquon thread? Really?
I think we should be discussing how much DJ will cost.
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Post by TEM on Apr 13, 2020 20:07:34 GMT -5
This entire thread is based upon speculation. Dude...Deductive reasoning and speculation are very different. It's not hard to forecast Saquon's future salary. If he really is the best RB in the league as some people think, then he'll get $20 mill from someone. I saw this coming and I pointed it out. Would the patriots ever field a RB making QB money? Would the Patriots even re-sign a running back? NOPE. Some of you guys need to take off your leather helmets and embrace this pass first league How did you come up with that number? Just by what McCaffery was given? I could say 17 and be just as correct. I think it has more to do with % of the cap than a figure. 2022 cap number is unknown at this point.
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 13, 2020 20:18:53 GMT -5
How productive would he have to be to even ask for $20mm, and why don't we want that production?
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 13, 2020 20:25:32 GMT -5
How productive would he have to be to even ask for $20mm, and why don't we want that production? Exactly this. After being injured and pedestrian last year I would be ecstatic with the type of season that would allow that demand. Actually 2 seasons.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 13, 2020 20:25:47 GMT -5
Lol. A re-sign saquon thread? Really? I think we should be discussing how much DJ will cost. That's fair and at this point I think he's the guy but let's see what year two brings. Another reason why 2020=OL.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2020 20:32:21 GMT -5
Lol. A re-sign saquon thread? Really? I think we should be discussing how much DJ will cost. That's fair and at this point I think he's the guy but let's see what year two brings. Another reason why 2020=OL. Can't believe you replied seriously to a mocking post. Why would anyone care at this point about re-signing either one of them? You junior GMs are either too bored or just nuts.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 13, 2020 20:33:38 GMT -5
How productive would he have to be to even ask for $20mm, and why don't we want that production? Super Bowl MVP!
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 13, 2020 20:42:18 GMT -5
That's fair and at this point I think he's the guy but let's see what year two brings. Another reason why 2020=OL. Can't believe you replied seriously to a mocking post. Why would anyone care at this point about re-signing either one of them? You junior GMs are either too bored or just nuts. Easy Don..your "mocking" needs red font
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2020 21:01:23 GMT -5
Can't believe you replied seriously to a mocking post. Why would anyone care at this point about re-signing either one of them? You junior GMs are either too bored or just nuts. Easy Don..your "mocking" needs red font My bad.
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 13, 2020 22:08:35 GMT -5
You don't NEED a great RB to get to the Super Bowl. Think what is better value: A great Oline with two average RBs, or an ordinary Oline with one great RB? Which will generate more wins per dollar spent? A lockdown corner or a TE? A kicker or a fullback?
See how this works? PS No one uses deductive reasoning except mathematicians.
ETA: Expensive RBs are unnecessary to winning football games, so their positional value is indeed on the decline.
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Post by thetruth on Apr 13, 2020 22:25:27 GMT -5
Considering McCaffrey just re-upped for $16 mill with more production. By the time Saquon is eligible for a new deal, he'll need $20 mill in this high tax market.....even with all that endorsement money.. Then by the time DJ gets a new deal, he'll be getting $30+ million. so 50 mill a year to two players? We better be a consistent playoff team for the next 3 years.... I mean, this was a question the management should have asked themselves when they chose him with the #2 pick. I mean, its a bad investment but have the Giants left themselves with a choice? Like Dallas, our hands are tied from a sunk cost prespective
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 13, 2020 22:47:40 GMT -5
Jerry Reese...is that you? The last time we crossed that bridge, the team went to s--t. Which bridge was that? I don't remember Jerry giving a big pay day to a RB. All his money went to pass rushers and CBs. Probably would have been better off signing a RB honestly lol. The bridge where we don't think about the future when issuing contracts. We are not in win now mode so we better be thinking about 2-3 years down the road right now.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 13, 2020 22:50:42 GMT -5
This entire thread is based upon speculation. LOL,.............and stupidity. Bookmarks thread: I will bump this thread and clown you since you got jokes.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 13, 2020 23:27:46 GMT -5
You didn't say it is less important than WR, you said it is becoming UNIMPORTANT. Perhaps you chose the wrong word? Just going off your post man. I don't think any player that touches the ball 20-30 times a game is unimportant. Pretty sure the RB being on the field is kind of important or they wouldn't be there. Look at the league now. It has become a passing league, the running back position which is not extinct is just not used as much as it used to be. Will players like Barkley and Elliott get their touches? Of course, they’re high draft picks who happen to be extremely talented. But, and this has been proven time and time again the running back position is slowly becoming a position that is less featured. The backs now besides the two I named are glorified receivers now who happen to play running back. If we have to pay either Barkley or Jones who do you think would be the wise investment? It’s quarterback every single time. I want money invested in the offensive line, edge rushers and cornerbacks. Those positions when spent wisely generate wins on the field. well it’s a good thing Barkley is one hell of a pass catcher.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2020 23:52:55 GMT -5
Considering McCaffrey just re-upped for $16 mill with more production. By the time Saquon is eligible for a new deal, he'll need $20 mill in this high tax market.....even with all that endorsement money.. Then by the time DJ gets a new deal, he'll be getting $30+ million. so 50 mill a year to two players? We better be a consistent playoff team for the next 3 years.... I mean, this was a question the management should have asked themselves when they chose him with the #2 pick. I mean, its a bad investment but have the Giants left themselves with a choice? Like Dallas, our hands are tied from a sunk cost prespective What sunk cost do we have?
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Post by SG88 on Apr 14, 2020 0:05:58 GMT -5
This thread will be 15 pages long of bickering. I’ll sit on the sidelines and watch.... The reason why is because people always have their noses in other people's wallets. Fans act like it is their money, when it clearly isn't.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Apr 14, 2020 0:19:38 GMT -5
LMAO.
Yeah all those empty backfield formations are taking over the NFL.
I said that? If you got that from my post we have far bigger issues here than Barkley and his future contract. IrishMike can’t comprehend the English language. If you think the running back position is as important as wide receiver, or hell pick a position you will be wrong. it seems you and many other posters cant comprehend that barkley is also a receiving threat and not just a rb. He is more likely to take over a game then any wr.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 14, 2020 0:28:30 GMT -5
This thread will be 15 pages long of bickering. I’ll sit on the sidelines and watch.... The reason why is because people always have their noses in other people's wallets. Fans act like it is their money, when it clearly isn't. Not really. When teams start paying all their big talent for individual success, a team is usually at or close to its peak. It closes the door on future potential and that's just the way it is in the salary cap era with the exception of the Pats. Most fans don't give a flying **** if millionaires make a few extra million. They care if their team is stuck with a bad contract that prevents them from improving in the future. Do you actually think that the majority of us care if Barkley makes more than 20 million if he was leading the Giants to playoff victories and the Superbowl? The Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL at this point and no, actual fans don't like handing out monster contracts while their team hasn't won more than 5 ****ing games in 4 years. No, we don't want the Giants to become the Knicks....
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Post by SG88 on Apr 14, 2020 0:50:28 GMT -5
The reason why is because people always have their noses in other people's wallets. Fans act like it is their money, when it clearly isn't. Not really. When teams start paying all their big talent for individual success, a team is usually at or close to its peak. It closes the door on future potential and that's just the way it is in the salary cap era with the exception of the Pats. Most fans don't give a flying **** if millionaires make a few extra million. They care if their team is stuck with a bad contract that prevents them from improving in the future. Do you actually think that the majority of us care if Barkley makes more than 20 million if he was leading the Giants to playoff victories and the Superbowl? The Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL at this point and no, actual fans don't like handing out monster contracts while their team hasn't won more than 5 ****ing games in 4 years. No, we don't want the Giants to become the Knicks.... I'm sorry, but I just don't care. The Giants do not pay my bills, make my mortgage payments, or put food on my table. They can spend their money however they want to. The constant losing does suck, but it still isn't my money. If fans want to throw blame at any of this kind of stuff, blame the market and not the team paying players at or above FMV. I mean no disrespect towards fans that care about this stuff a lot. I just don't and won't.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 14, 2020 4:33:17 GMT -5
I said that? If you got that from my post we have far bigger issues here than Barkley and his future contract. IrishMike can’t comprehend the English language. If you think the running back position is as important as wide receiver, or hell pick a position you will be wrong. it seems you and many other posters cant comprehend that barkley is also a receiving threat and not just a rb. He is more likely to take over a game then any wr. Ah no. I’m very aware that he is a receiving threat. He’s a running back right? You want to invest heavily into that position? Because at the end of the day no matter how you look at him as a player. He’s a running back.. Hey, if fans want to invest a lot of money on a running back so be it. I think it’s stupid and will hinder other positions that are far more important.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 14, 2020 5:35:48 GMT -5
The bridge where we don't think about the future when issuing contracts. We are not in win now mode so we better be thinking about 2-3 years down the road right now. Makes no difference if I think about it or not.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 14, 2020 5:40:40 GMT -5
it seems you and many other posters cant comprehend that barkley is also a receiving threat and not just a rb. He is more likely to take over a game then any wr. Ah no. I’m very aware that he is a receiving threat. He’s a running back right? You want to invest heavily into that position? Because at the end of the day no matter how you look at him as a player. He’s a running back.. Hey, if fans want to invest a lot of money on a running back so be it. I think it’s stupid and will hinder other positions that are far more important. Again who cares what the title of his position is. If he is a big part of our offense and our offense is good (in 3 years) then we will have to consider it. It's a receiving league and the Panthers just re-signed their leading receiver. Does it matter if he wears a #20 or #80 jersey? Actually its cheaper if he wears 20 and he pass blocks too, oh yeah and he runs the ball. That's the modern NFL.
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Post by sundown on Apr 14, 2020 6:30:01 GMT -5
This thread will be 15 pages long of bickering. I’ll sit on the sidelines and watch.... The reason why is because people always have their noses in other people's wallets. Fans act like it is their money, when it clearly isn't. Exactly!
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Post by bluejayc on Apr 14, 2020 6:44:40 GMT -5
This entire thread is based upon speculation. LOL,.............and stupidity. Man I know scraping the bottom of the barrel for Giants Talk hits its annual offseason peak right around now but coupled with the quarantine has really brought it to the next level. We're complaining about two players' contracts who have 3 and 4 years left respectively on their rookie deals....sheesh....might as well start complaining about how much this year's 1st round draft pick is going to cost 5 years from now. We can only hope DJ and Saquon demand that much money because it would mean they have crushed it for the next 3+ years.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 14, 2020 6:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 14, 2020 7:18:25 GMT -5
Christian McCaffrey might be the league's best RB but he's still almost definitely not worth his new contract Carolina made an investment that could limit their ability to improve their roster in the future If there is any running back out there who would seemingly be worth enough to buck the trend of high-dollar running back contracts turning out to be bad values, it's probably McCaffrey. And yet, a closer look at data not all that far beyond the surface level reveals why even this contract to this special of a player is probably not a good idea. Let's just start with the volume. McCaffrey handled 403 touches in 2019. He is wildly unlikely to ever receive that many touches in a single season ever again, considering there have only been 44 400-plus-touch seasons in the history of the league. Only nine players have ever received 400-plus touches more than once, and only five have done it more than twice. The most recent player to have multiple 400-touch seasons was LaDainian Tomlinson, and his last 400-touch campaign came in 2006. McCaffrey is one of the best runners in the league: among the 45 running backs who received at least 100 carries last season, his 4.83 yards per carry average ranked eighth. He's also probably the best receiving back in the league: he had 24 more catches than the next-closest back, and among the group of 13 who caught at least 50 passes in 2019, his yards per reception average ranked fifth. He was the only player to rank in the top 10 in yards per carry and top five in yards per reception. As such, his efficiency for a high-volume player was seemingly off the charts. And when you take a look at similarly high-volume players, that holds up. McCaffrey was one of 51 backs with at least 100 total touches last season. His 5.94 yards per touch average ranked fifth among that group. He was one of just 27 running backs with 200 touches or more, a group among which his yards per touch average ranked second, behind only Austin Ekeler (Saquon ranked 9th). But even among that narrower group, the gap between McCaffrey and the average player was not as large as it seems on the surface. Even if you want to lean on the (very reasonable) idea that there isn't another single back who could handle those 403 touches on his own, well, there's nothing stopping the Panthers from employing a two or even three-back committee and splitting the work among them. Giving two average 200-plus touch running backs 200 touches apiece yields essentially the same result as giving one of those backs the same workload as McCaffrey actually handled. The idea of McCaffrey is such a rare pass-catching running back that he's essentially a running back and a receiver seems appealing, but when you compare his pass-catching production to actual receivers, it falls apart. There have been 107 instances of a wideout catching at least 100 passes in a year. Only two of those 107 averaged less than 10 yards per reception. None averaged fewer than McCaffrey's (career-high) 8.7 mark from last season. The same is true of the five tight ends who have caught at least 100 passes in a season, each of whom averaged at least 9.5 yards per catch. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/christian-mccaffrey-might-be-the-leagues-best-rb-but-hes-still-almost-definitely-not-worth-his-new-contract/
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Post by GameTime on Apr 14, 2020 8:48:40 GMT -5
who really cares who gets paid and how much? For fans we just want to win and be competitive. As NYG fans we want another Championship because we are used to them to a degree, at least from an NFL perspective. If thats with Barkley on the team then great. If its not then so be it. Its way more important for Jones to be successful than Barkley. A great RB is expendable a great QB isnt
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 14, 2020 9:27:41 GMT -5
it seems you and many other posters cant comprehend that barkley is also a receiving threat and not just a rb. He is more likely to take over a game then any wr. Ah no. I’m very aware that he is a receiving threat. He’s a running back right? You want to invest heavily into that position? Because at the end of the day no matter how you look at him as a player. He’s a running back.. Hey, if fans want to invest a lot of money on a running back so be it. I think it’s stupid and will hinder other positions that are far more important. Me too, but WR definitely is not one of those positions.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 14, 2020 9:31:34 GMT -5
Ah no. I’m very aware that he is a receiving threat. He’s a running back right? You want to invest heavily into that position? Because at the end of the day no matter how you look at him as a player. He’s a running back.. Hey, if fans want to invest a lot of money on a running back so be it. I think it’s stupid and will hinder other positions that are far more important. Me too, but WR definitely is not one of those positions. Very true or else you wouldn't see teams trading the top ones away.
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