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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 11:34:33 GMT -5
I seems you have a affinity for applying words to statements . I never used the phrase "point guns' I said sketchy . Again you cannot decipher simple meanings. Sketchy was was intended to mean walk away before guns came out. He should have known someone was going to flip over a table and draw guns before it happened? Got it. Go ahead. Skin that smokewagon and see what happens.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 16, 2020 11:36:36 GMT -5
Nothing will exonerate him for placing himself in that situation to begin with. Tell that to Ray Lewis. What’s your active count for “Thread winning statements”. Add this to the list. LMAO!!
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Post by TEM on May 16, 2020 11:36:51 GMT -5
I seems you have a affinity for applying words to statements . I never used the phrase "point guns' I said sketchy . Again you cannot decipher simple meanings. Sketchy was was intended to mean walk away before guns came out. He should have known someone was going to flip over a table and draw guns before it happened? Got it. So you are making assumptions he flipped a table is true because it was reported ? Ok if you say so.
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Post by 3days on May 16, 2020 11:37:49 GMT -5
If innocent, because he's a promising young player who could be a key component in a very young Secondary, and a potential player to build your Secondary around for years to come. Not to mention we've already paid him. If he's guilty, peace out. Enjoy the next 60 years in jail. If he's innocent, we keep him. Judge won't allow anyone to sleep through meetings. Simply based on the interviews I've seen, I expect Judge to bring a complete change of culture to the Giants. Exactly this. Could be a pointless debate, as he may be guilty. That said, I think I fall more in Piddy’s camp, but it should be a 0 tolerance policy with this dude. Assuming they are all true, Jomo’s points are very large red flags. I still say it was a good risk reward draft pick.
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Post by TEM on May 16, 2020 11:39:20 GMT -5
Nothing will exonerate him for placing himself in that situation to begin with. Tell that to Ray Lewis. A very good point that I should have considered .
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Post by Kruunch on May 16, 2020 11:39:35 GMT -5
The lawyer of Baker said there is video evidence that will help exonerate his client? This is earth shattering news. What next? Water is wet? So, did Baker go to the party to make sure everyone was drinking responsibly? And this was all a big misunderstanding. What a guy. So you are saying there isn't? Why would he make a claim like this if that was not the case? I would think he would have to think of the credibility of his own practice. Who would retain him as a defender if his going to use none existing evidence as a talking point? Would you? He’s a lawyer. Who is hired by Baker his client. Which means he by law will defend his client to the best of his abilities. And right now it’s damage control, make his client turn himself in. And make it known to the public that there is a video that will exonerate his client. Right now Baker is looked as a thug, Mr Cohens job is to make him look like a human being who was wrongly accused of a crime. No matter of the outcome his law firm will be just fine if the video changes the minds of the prosecution.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 11:40:31 GMT -5
Could be a pointless debate, as he may be guilty. That said, I think I fall more in Piddy’s camp, but it should be a 0 tolerance policy with this dude. Assuming they are all true, Jomo’s points are very large red flags. I still say it was a good risk reward draft pick. Judge strikes me as a 0 tolerance guy. Especially if said player is "lazy". Falling asleep in a meeting might lead to cleats being thrown in your general direction.
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Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 11:44:11 GMT -5
I am interested to see how this turns out. Maybe he just had a mask on to protect from the Covid 19? haha. Hope it's BS, have my doubts. We shall see.
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Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 11:46:39 GMT -5
Could be a pointless debate, as he may be guilty. That said, I think I fall more in Piddy’s camp, but it should be a 0 tolerance policy with this dude. Assuming they are all true, Jomo’s points are very large red flags. I still say it was a good risk reward draft pick. Judge strikes me as a 0 tolerance guy. Especially if said player is "lazy". Falling asleep in a meeting might lead to cleats being thrown in your general direction. Everyone got a clean slate though, Baker never slept in a Judge meeting....although he apparently completely skipped the off season "workouts" which is a bad decision for a guy that had trouble with the play book last year.
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Post by TEM on May 16, 2020 11:47:08 GMT -5
So you are saying there isn't? Why would he make a claim like this if that was not the case? I would think he would have to think of the credibility of his own practice. Who would retain him as a defender if his going to use none existing evidence as a talking point? Would you? He’s a lawyer. Who is hired by Baker his client. Which means he by law will defend his client to the best of his abilities. And right now it’s damage control, make his client turn himself in. And make it known to the public that there is a video that will exonerate his client. Right now Baker is looked as a thug, Mr Cohens job is to make him look like a human being who was wrongly accused of a crime. No matter of the outcome his law firm will be just fine if the video changes the minds of the prosecution. So what was the meaning of the post your replied to my OP? It read like you believed the video evidence was a diversion rather then a redeeming aspect to his defense.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 11:53:56 GMT -5
Hey now.....this is positive news! Please let him be found not guilty. The best possible news is for him to be found innocent, and he returns to the Giants with a whole new conviction.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 16, 2020 11:57:49 GMT -5
Hey now.....this is positive news! Please let him be found not guilty. The best possible news is for him to be found innocent, and he returns to the Giants with a whole new conviction. A new conviction would be much better than the alternative conviction. Seriously I can’t imagine anyone wanting to see a 22 year old kids life destroyed because he has made some poor decisions (prior to this event). If the world worked that way my life would have been over at 22. I hope you’re right.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 11:57:52 GMT -5
I hope he's innocent. But if he is, this was a pretty elaborate frame-up. According to the cops, there were 4 victims and a separate witness who has known them from childhood. All were questioned separately on video. I hope he is innocent too and really want him off the team. We now know some real pertinent facts, not about the case but about his make up. Apparently, he has never taken the game seriously in an NFL sort of way. We hear that he had to be pushed every day at practice in college. We hear that he never played to the play book and preferred to free lance in college. We know from scouts that he was lazy and dogged it at the Senior Bowl and Combine. We know that he slept through meetings as a rookie starter. We know he was lost most of the time in coverage (connects with his indifference to the play book in college) We know he has been missing in action on Zoom meetings. We know he's hanging around high stakes gambling games while skipping (optional) virtual meetings, coming off a terrible rookie season. We know that if he returns to the team he will gobble up an inordinate amount of coach time and attention because he's an indifferent dumbass. And we want him on our team because? We’re masochists, that’s why. 😏
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Post by Eazy E on May 16, 2020 12:02:08 GMT -5
A warrant was issued. Did they raid the house looking for evidence, did they raid all three assailants locations and vehicles. Did they recover the stolen goods? How come Baker didnt attempt to leave the country if he was guilty. Many felons will do that knowing they have nothing to lose and life is over. No he didnt. He contacted his employer and contacted an attorney and walked himself in. Did the police recover the weapon? Is there a weapon? Was there ever a weapon? Was there ever 70k lost on a different transaction? You cant do a bank withdrawal over a certain amount without signing a bank document, Did they aqcuire such document or documents. Have the PD looked at the local pawn shops for expensive watches? Have they looked on internet sites posting watches for sale? Many questions, im sure it was all covered..... The police know who was at the party pretty much. They could have seen what cell phones were pinging in the area. Did they do that? Many questions.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 12:05:41 GMT -5
Judge strikes me as a 0 tolerance guy. Especially if said player is "lazy". Falling asleep in a meeting might lead to cleats being thrown in your general direction. Everyone got a clean slate though, Baker never slept in a Judge meeting....although he apparently completely skipped the off season "workouts" which is a bad decision for a guy that had trouble with the play book last year. I'm fine with the "clean slate" theory, but it shouldn't be taken as a free pass. It would take falling asleep exactly ONCE for Judge to show him the door. If he's innocent, I hope he's learned something. He seemed to be a lot better in the last 5 games or so.
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Post by Martin on May 16, 2020 12:14:12 GMT -5
I can't remember the player's name, but I went off on him when he was accused of assaulting a woman and it turned out to be complete BS. Lesson learned for me. I will not convict the kid before he's actually convicted. It's just the right thing to do. If people want to throw stones at this guy it should be after he is convicted. I would hope that if anyone one of us here were in the wrong place at the wrong time that people would wait before convicting. Unfortunately lots of people want to rush to judgment.
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Post by GameTime on May 16, 2020 12:19:32 GMT -5
Hey now.....this is positive news! Please let him be found not guilty. The best possible news is for him to be found innocent, and he returns to the Giants with a whole new conviction. Lol
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Post by Jomo on May 16, 2020 12:24:14 GMT -5
Everyone got a clean slate though, Baker never slept in a Judge meeting....although he apparently completely skipped the off season "workouts" which is a bad decision for a guy that had trouble with the play book last year. I'm fine with the "clean slate" theory, but it shouldn't be taken as a free pass. It would take falling asleep exactly ONCE for Judge to show him the door. If he's innocent, I hope he's learned something. He seemed to be a lot better in the last 5 games or so. Does skipping out on virtual meetings coming off a bad rookie season count for anything? And no BS Judge did what about it. I know I am being sharp with my rhetoric but I am doing it because he is not constituted to be an NFL player. Sleeping through a meeting is the tip of the iceberg on his poor work habits over the past 4 years right through this year's virtual OTAs.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 16, 2020 12:25:46 GMT -5
Everyone got a clean slate though, Baker never slept in a Judge meeting....although he apparently completely skipped the off season "workouts" which is a bad decision for a guy that had trouble with the play book last year. I'm fine with the "clean slate" theory, but it shouldn't be taken as a free pass. It would take falling asleep exactly ONCE for Judge to show him the door. If he's innocent, I hope he's learned something. He seemed to be a lot better in the last 5 games or so. This
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 16, 2020 12:25:57 GMT -5
I can't remember the player's name, but I went off on him when he was accused of assaulting a woman and it turned out to be complete BS. Lesson learned for me. I will not convict the kid before he's actually convicted. Kamrin Moore was wrongfully accused of beating his girlfriend Brian Blades never got a chance because of false accusations.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 16, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
He should have known someone was going to flip over a table and draw guns before it happened? Got it. Go ahead. Skin that smokewagon and see what happens. I'll turn your head into a canoe.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 16, 2020 12:30:13 GMT -5
I'm fine with the "clean slate" theory, but it shouldn't be taken as a free pass. It would take falling asleep exactly ONCE for Judge to show him the door. If he's innocent, I hope he's learned something. He seemed to be a lot better in the last 5 games or so. Does skipping out on virtual meetings coming off a bad rookie season count for anything? And no BS Judge did what about it. I know I am being sharp with my rhetoric but I am doing it because he is not constituted to be an NFL player. Sleeping through a meeting is the tip of the iceberg on his poor work habits over the past 4 years right through this year's virtual OTAs. They are not mandatory not much he can do right now.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 16, 2020 12:36:52 GMT -5
Hey now.....this is positive news! Please let him be found not guilty. The best possible news is for him to be found innocent, and he returns to the Giants with a whole new conviction. Exactly to young, When he came out last year and said he didn't know the playbook he seemed to either get some help or apply himself and his play improved lets hope he has a Corry Webster moment of clarity if he gets through this.
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Post by dvision on May 16, 2020 12:38:16 GMT -5
What situation? Going to a party and playing poker? I doubt this is a frame-up, but if it was I see nothing wrong. Not walking away from the situation when it started to become sketchy. If you weren't there you have no idea what the situation was... none of us do..
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Post by Jomo on May 16, 2020 12:43:07 GMT -5
I hope he is innocent too and really want him off the team. We now know some real pertinent facts, not about the case but about his make up. Apparently, he has never taken the game seriously in an NFL sort of way. We hear that he had to be pushed every day at practice in college. We hear that he never played to the play book and preferred to free lance in college. We know from scouts that he was lazy and dogged it at the Senior Bowl and Combine. We know that he slept through meetings as a rookie starter. We know he was lost most of the time in coverage (connects with his indifference to the play book in college) We know he has been missing in action on Zoom meetings. We know he's hanging around high stakes gambling games while skipping (optional) virtual meetings, coming off a terrible rookie season. We know that if he returns to the team he will gobble up an inordinate amount of coach time and attention because he's an indifferent dumbass. And we want him on our team because? We’re masochists, that’s why. 😏 Rosey, a week ago I was suggesting a patient approach with Baker. No harm in seeing if he can take the next step. He looked better in the latter part of the season and I only knew of one incident where he slept through a meeting. In the past 36 hours I have learned how this young man is constituted and it has shown itself over many year. He had the same bad habits in college, showed no passion for improvement every day (like the really good ones do) and we know that this off season's virtual meetings have shown no different approach by him. Great teams are not built around guys who don't show up to practice and don't show up on game day. We went through this with Hosely and Hill in slightly different ways. My turning thumbs down on him has nothing to do with the arrest. It is just that the arrest has brought a mountain of evidence to light that he doesn't have the makeup to be a really good NFL player and worse, he could be a distraction for us and distractions are a bad thing in today's NFL where practices are severely limited. I hope he is innocent of the charges and I hope we rid ourselves of this first round mistake.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 16, 2020 12:54:25 GMT -5
So whats the next action team and league wise? I'm sure the team is talking to the league and probably the NFLPA to see what recourse can be taken
Seems that (I think)his contract might be guaranteed this year..in which case unless they can use a conduct detrimental to team thingie to get out from his contract we are paying him to either sit in his cell or whatnot if he is on indefinite suspension...
Personally in this case...well ****.... Ballentine and Beal are in open competition for the other starting job this year... We won't see Baker in 2020.... Best case scenario one of our guys (or both)seize the opportunity and we get good play over there,if Baker is acquitted and reinstated maybe we get a 3rd or 4th back in a trade in 2021?
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Post by krappdetector on May 16, 2020 12:57:51 GMT -5
Nothing will exonerate him for placing himself in that situation to begin with. What situation? Going to a party and playing poker? I doubt this is a frame-up, but if it was I see nothing wrong. ... with completely disrespectful, selfish and profoundly stupid behavior in the midst of a pandemic with stay-at-home orders, social distancing and mask usage required almost everywhere?
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Post by Jomo on May 16, 2020 13:04:01 GMT -5
It would be nice to know quickly if the league is going to allow us to void some or all of the contract. That money would buy CB production on the open market that would easily exceed what we saw from him on the field last year.
Unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly and the league will probably follow the legal system in its final decision
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 13:04:02 GMT -5
I'm fine with the "clean slate" theory, but it shouldn't be taken as a free pass. It would take falling asleep exactly ONCE for Judge to show him the door. If he's innocent, I hope he's learned something. He seemed to be a lot better in the last 5 games or so. Does skipping out on virtual meetings coming off a bad rookie season count for anything? And no BS Judge did what about it. I know I am being sharp with my rhetoric but I am doing it because he is not constituted to be an NFL player. Sleeping through a meeting is the tip of the iceberg on his poor work habits over the past 4 years right through this year's virtual OTAs. Well, we don't know the true whole story on this kid. We can only go by what is reported and we all know how those things turn out. In a rush to get the scoop, certain things get eliminated like the word "rumor". Do you know whether or not Judge said or did anything about it, or if t was even a warranted absence? Maybe he was excused? Too many variables to make a solid judgement about the situation. I'm just saying Judge strikes me as having zero tolerance for bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 13:05:24 GMT -5
What situation? Going to a party and playing poker? I doubt this is a frame-up, but if it was I see nothing wrong. ... with completely disrespectful, selfish and profoundly stupid behavior in the midst of a pandemic with stay-at-home orders, social distancing and mask usage required almost everywhere?It happened in Florida. The rules have been very liberally enforced here. Don't let the "empty" beaches fool you.
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