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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 20, 2020 9:08:02 GMT -5
So kids at a party can’t be upstanding citizens? Uh, OK. Well, its pretty obvious that some of them are dirt-bags and/or actual criminals. Either 3 of them actually did rob others at gunpoint, or the 4 "victims" lied there asses off to the police. Maybe everyone else at the party had just arrived from choir practice. Hard to know. Even when I was young every large scale gathering I went to had some contingent of shitheads. I don’t get in the habit of attributing the characteristics of the 10% to the other 90%.
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 9:08:22 GMT -5
So semi-auto does not require a manual cartridge loading action, but does require a pull of the trigger for each shot? I really can't think of any practical handgun that would not do this, only rifles or a shotgun. The 10 year vs. 15 year potential sentence, and discussion over whether the handgun was semi-auto or not, doesn't really seem to be a question at this point. All revolvers are configured in this way. I has been practical since the introduction of the Colt model 1835 double action revolver. ( double action) it can function in 2 ways . I) by cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Requires less force to engage the trigger. Or 2) By pulling the trigger only ( semi-automatic). Thanks for the info. I always thought semi-auto meant it could fire a burst of shots, as long as the trigger was held.
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 9:08:39 GMT -5
If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Another thing I find odd there were no search warrants issued to recover the gun , money or watches reported by the media. A warrant can be issued with in a hour of the crime. I have never read anything that suggested any of his or his parents proprieties were searched. It's odd to me: you are being charged with 4 counts of banishing your gun at people...but we do not need your gun as evidence.
I would assume that Florida knows the make and model, and being a very pro 2ndA state, don't want to seize his legally owned weapon until they absolutely have to. No one said he fired it, so there's no test to run or anything like that. NYC would have unleashed several SWAT teams to get that gun. Yeah, that was my post above where his lawyer apparently has and will keep the gun locked up. Weird the cops and prosecutors wouldnt want it. Might point to more evidence the cops and prosecutors might be doubting parts of the victims stories.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 9:09:22 GMT -5
If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Another thing I find odd there were no search warrants issued to recover the gun , money or watches reported by the media. A warrant can be issued with in a hour of the crime. I have never read anything that suggested any of his or his parents proprieties were searched. It's odd to me: you are being charged with 4 counts of banishing your gun at people...but we do not need your gun as evidence. I would assume that Florida knows the make and model, and being a very pro 2ndA state, don't want to seize his legally owned weapon until they absolutely have to. No one said he fired it, so there's no test to run or anything like that. NYC would have unleashed several SWAT teams to get that gun. That to me is a big red flag that points to the charges that were applied are thin. Why didn't the state not go full throttle in obtaining physical evidence.. Gun , Money Watches? I think they know their case is lacking substance. But this is just my opinion.
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 9:09:58 GMT -5
All revolvers are configured in this way. I has been practical since the introduction of the Colt model 1835 double action revolver. ( double action) it can function in 2 ways . I) by cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Requires less force to engage the trigger. Or 2) By pulling the trigger only ( semi-automatic). Thanks for the info. I always thought semi-auto meant it could fire a burst of shots, as long as the trigger was held. That's full auto.
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 9:13:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I always thought semi-auto meant it could fire a burst of shots, as long as the trigger was held. That's full auto. I guess I've watched too many Arnold movies - where guns dropped down a set of stairs keep shooting away, and kill every bad guy just standing there looking.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 9:15:55 GMT -5
All revolvers are configured in this way. I has been practical since the introduction of the Colt model 1835 double action revolver. ( double action) it can function in 2 ways . I) by cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Requires less force to engage the trigger. Or 2) By pulling the trigger only ( semi-automatic). Thanks for the info. I always thought semi-auto meant it could fire a burst of shots, as long as the trigger was held. That is fully automatic. That is a different animal. I am not sure and I have no desire to own an automatic weapon because you can use $100 of Amo in a few minutes. I am not 100% sure but I think you need a federal firearms license to posses an automatic firearm.
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Post by hadenough on May 20, 2020 9:19:18 GMT -5
This story is getting so strange...
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Post by BlueReign on May 20, 2020 10:56:31 GMT -5
Must guns sold today are. I have a G20 Glock and a Smith and Wesson M$P Sig 357. Most hand gun owners have a semi automatic. The Smith and Wesson kicks like a mule . If I am not carful it is a nose breaker. I wasn't aware of that. The original story seemed more damning, because he supposedly had a semi-automatic. Most handguns are semi-automatic. Reporters love to use it because it's a buzzword that makes something sound worse/more rare than it actually is.
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Post by Kruunch on May 20, 2020 11:06:48 GMT -5
It’s Florida, where the penalty for a using a firearm is having to watch a Miami Dolphins game.. Baker should be thankful this didn’t happen in NY. Where they would be hanging him by his eyeballs right now. He is licensed to carry I believe. Well it’s Florida.. The only State where you can get a concealed weapons permit in a cereal box..
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -5
If the video shows him blowing coverage in Madden then it's the truth.
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that. The original story seemed more damning, because he supposedly had a semi-automatic. Most handguns are semi-automatic. Reporters love to use it because it's a buzzword that makes something sound worse/more rare than it actually is. Well, it seemed significant at the time of the original report, whether it was a semi-auto and how that determines the penalty. 10 years vs. 15 years, x 4 counts, you're talking 20 years difference. Get out a little grey, or in a coffin.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 20, 2020 11:35:43 GMT -5
He is licensed to carry I believe. Well it’s Florida.. The only State where you can get a concealed weapons permit in a cereal box.. LOL actually you can shoot someone down here for scaring you wild wild east.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 20, 2020 12:17:37 GMT -5
He is licensed to carry I believe. Well it’s Florida.. The only State where you can get a concealed weapons permit in a cereal box.. While its fun to make fun of Florida, thats the south in general. GA, AL, AR are the 3 top pro gun states. Florida is in the 2nd tier with LA, IN, AZ and ID. I was shocked to see Texas less pro-gun than California. www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-laws-regulations-employment-us-states-2018-4
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Post by mikethenygfan on May 20, 2020 12:25:19 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
if this is true i hope all these posters trashing him feel like idiots.
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 17:20:58 GMT -5
Was it confirmed that the gun he brought or owns was semi-automatic, as alleged by the "victims'" report?
I don't even understand how a gun of this capacity could even be allowed to be carried, with or without a permit - but that's a whole nuther subject.
No offense but you don't know much about guns do you? Pretty much every pistol ever made is a semi-automatic. Even revolvers operate the same (but faster) as a semiauto. It just means you don't have to pump it (like a shotgun), manually operate the bolt (like the sniper in Saving Private Ryan) or manually cock the hammer (like an old western).
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 17:25:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I always thought semi-auto meant it could fire a burst of shots, as long as the trigger was held. That is fully automatic. That is a different animal. I am not sure and I have no desire to own an automatic weapon because you can use $100 of Amo in a few minutes. I am not 100% sure but I think you need a federal firearms license to posses an automatic firearm. Nope. It is dependent on your states laws and cost a FORTUNE to buy one since they were forced to not make anymore for public sale in 1986. So there is a very finite number of full auto guns for sale. Cheap ones are $15,000 lol.
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 17:28:28 GMT -5
That map is a bit misleading. VT you don't even need a permit at all to carry a gun. Imagine a place where you can smoke all the pot you want and carry a gun without jumping through 1,000 hoops. California is a horrible gun law state, that article clearly has some skewed ranking. PFF make that?
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 17:30:46 GMT -5
That is fully automatic. That is a different animal. I am not sure and I have no desire to own an automatic weapon because you can use $100 of Amo in a few minutes. I am not 100% sure but I think you need a federal firearms license to posses an automatic firearm. Nope. It is dependent on your states laws and cost a FORTUNE to buy one since they were forced to not make anymore for public sale in 1986. So there is a very finite number of full auto guns for sale. Cheap ones are $15,000 lol. Pretty sure fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state. Some peeps convert semis into fully auto, but don't get caught with it.
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 17:36:10 GMT -5
Nope. It is dependent on your states laws and cost a FORTUNE to buy one since they were forced to not make anymore for public sale in 1986. So there is a very finite number of full auto guns for sale. Cheap ones are $15,000 lol. Pretty sure fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state. Some peeps convert semis into fully auto, but don't get caught with it. You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol.
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 17:39:45 GMT -5
Pretty sure fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state. Some peeps convert semis into fully auto, but don't get caught with it. You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol. OIC. Legal if manufactured before 1987. Kind of crazy IMO.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 20, 2020 17:43:25 GMT -5
Pretty sure fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state. Some peeps convert semis into fully auto, but don't get caught with it. You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol. What states are fully automatics legal? And is it used for hunting rabbit?
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Post by Nick6475 on May 20, 2020 18:08:21 GMT -5
You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol. What states are fully automatics legal? And is it used for hunting rabbit? Tonight's dinner is a filet of bullets lightly sprinkled with rabbit.
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Post by Waybackfan on May 20, 2020 18:09:54 GMT -5
None of you got the definition of semi-automatic correct.
"Semi-automatic refers to a firearm which uses the force of recoil or gas to eject the empty case and load a fresh cartridge into the firing chamber for the next shot and which allows repeat shots solely through the action of pulling the trigger. A double-action revolver also requires only a trigger pull for each round that is fired but is not considered semi-automatic since the manual action of pulling the trigger is what advances the cylinder, not the energy of the preceding shot."
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 18:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 18:42:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state. Some peeps convert semis into fully auto, but don't get caught with it. You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol. I thought you would know about automatic weapons law. As I said an automatic weapon is too expensive to shoot. I never even inquired about how to obtain one. I just assumed you needed a FFL.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 18:46:22 GMT -5
A revolver is technically self loading . Every time it fires it bring the next round emplace to be struck by the pin .
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 18:49:28 GMT -5
It's a long article. You are the one claiming it shows everyone here is wrong. Please point out what part of it shows everyone here wrong?
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Post by Zimonami on May 20, 2020 18:55:13 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad. Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night. So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not? That was never a question for me. You bet your butt he did. If he has a Carry Permit... and he supposedly has... I would be carrying in his area at all times, amen. It's legal with the permit and doesn't presuppose bad intentions. You only need to check the box... "self defense", and that's all you need in Florida.... just like in my state... and it is always with me, and I live in a good area. He has the right.
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 19:22:25 GMT -5
A revolver is technically self loading . Every time it fires it bring the next round emplace to be struck by the pin . Sorry to be a stickler but the reason revolvers are not considered self loading is because it is you pulling the trigger that rotates the cylinder. You ever see Jerry Miculek shoot? He said he prefers revolvers because he does not have to wait on the slide moving slowing him down lmao. Mind blowing.
I ended up learning tons about guns and laws working where I worked. You weren't wrong about the FFL. You can have full auto with the right FFL if you are selling them to LE or need them for an approved reason as part of your business. A company I worked for years ago owned an M2 machine gun for testing purposes haha.
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