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Post by IrishMike on May 19, 2020 21:08:39 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 21:12:39 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
just saw this posted in the other Baker thread. Planned arm robbery to just playing Madden.....crazy |
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Post by Kruunch on May 19, 2020 21:15:21 GMT -5
Sounds like my son. Goes to a party to play a game..
This story is getting stranger and stranger by the day. All we need now is Rod Serling telling us "this is the twilight zone."
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 21:17:13 GMT -5
Sounds like my son. Goes to a party to play a game.. This story is getting stranger and stranger by the day. All we need now is Rod Sterling telling us "this is the twilight zone." His name is actually Rod Serling "Sterling" is a common mistake. One I made myself for years. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 19, 2020 21:21:08 GMT -5
Sounds like my son. Goes to a party to play a game.. This story is getting stranger and stranger by the day. All we need now is Rod Sterling telling us "this is the twilight zone." His name is actually Rod Serling "Sterling" is a common mistake. One I made myself for years. I should have known that too. Love that show. Thanks again, it's good to know if there was ever a time I need a hand in something I'll look elsewhere. |
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 21:23:10 GMT -5
His name is actually Rod Serling "Sterling" is a common mistake. One I made myself for years. I should have known that too. Love that show. Thanks again, it's good to know if there was ever a time I need a hand in something I'll look elsewhere. happy to help |
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Post by DandyDon on May 19, 2020 21:40:21 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. |
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Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 5:09:42 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. Who the heck knows. I've been to plenty of parties in my life that were filled with some bad people, doesn't make me any less of an upstanding citizen. It certainly is lawyer talk but when you have someone on trial in the media you need that to counteract the "prosecutor talk" of "OMG Baker and Dunbar are mass murderers and are basically Bonnie and Clyde" lol. The truth is somehwhere in the middle. The fact they could have video of him carrying his playstation into this party certainly paints a different picture than "they showed up to rob the place and had their getaway car ready to go at the front door". |
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2020 6:51:46 GMT -5
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. Who the heck knows. I've been to plenty of parties in my life that were filled with some bad people, doesn't make me any less of an upstanding citizen. It certainly is lawyer talk but when you have someone on trial in the media you need that to counteract the "prosecutor talk" of "OMG Baker and Dunbar are mass murderers and are basically Bonnie and Clyde" lol. The truth is somehwhere in the middle. The fact they could have video of him carrying his playstation into this party certainly paints a different picture than "they showed up to rob the place and had their getaway car ready to go at the front door". you know I usually follow the same thought process of "truth is somewhere in the middle" as a general rule but in this case the extremes are so polar opposites that the middle would literally be anything and everything in between. In this case, IMO, its going to be one extreme or they other. Baker was either involved in a pre-planned armed robbery or he was actually playing Madden. No in between. |
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Post by bluejayc on May 20, 2020 7:01:59 GMT -5
Not jumping to conclusions on either side but for a point of reference I've seen guys lose more money betting on Madden games than playing cards......
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Post by JoeBigBlue on May 20, 2020 7:16:59 GMT -5
If the video shows him blowing coverage in Madden then it's the truth.
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Post by Merlin on May 20, 2020 7:31:28 GMT -5
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. Who the heck knows. I've been to plenty of parties in my life that were filled with some bad people, doesn't make me any less of an upstanding citizen. It certainly is lawyer talk but when you have someone on trial in the media you need that to counteract the "prosecutor talk" of "OMG Baker and Dunbar are mass murderers and are basically Bonnie and Clyde" lol. The truth is somehwhere in the middle. The fact they could have video of him carrying his playstation into this party certainly paints a different picture than "they showed up to rob the place and had their getaway car ready to go at the front door". When I first heard this story. The only thing that would have made sense for Baker who signed a 10 mil contract to rob people at gun point. Was if he was gambling playing cards or something. Felt the players were cheating him out of his money. Then did the actions he was accused of out of anger and pride. Knowingly putting himself in a situation where he felt he needed to be armed though. Him playing madden makes a lot more sense, and odds are higher that was the case. Over him organizing and executing a premeditated armed robbery. If it was a heat of the moment action, then that would explain not attempting to conceal his face in order to attempt the robbery. If premeditated with a get away car ready. Concealing his face especially with him being easily identifiable as a millionaire NFL player would have been a priority. If the story was about a heat of the moment action it would be more believable to me. But based off what is known at the moment. I'm leaning toward Baker being the one who was targeted due to his wealth. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 20, 2020 7:31:48 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad.
Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night.
So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not?
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Post by nygiantfanalways on May 20, 2020 7:46:50 GMT -5
If the video shows him blowing coverage in Madden then it's the truth.  |
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Post by JoeyCush on May 20, 2020 7:50:10 GMT -5
I really do hope for the best possible outcome for Baker, not only because hes a Giant but because hes too damn young to throw this all away. Hopefully they have enough evidence to get this thrown out.
Now if it was a Cowboys player, lock him up and throw away the key dammit !
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 8:00:56 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad. Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night. So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not? If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Another thing I find odd there were no search warrants issued to recover the gun , money or watches reported by the media. A warrant can be issued with in a hour of the crime. I have never read anything that suggested any of his or his parents proprieties were searched. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 8:06:12 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad. Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night. So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not? If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Was it confirmed that the gun he brought or owns was semi-automatic, as alleged by the "victims'" report?
I don't even understand how a gun of this capacity could even be allowed to be carried, with or without a permit - but that's a whole nuther subject.
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 8:10:32 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad. Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night. So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not? If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Another thing I find odd there were no search warrants issued to recover the gun , money or watches reported by the media. A warrant can be issued with in a hour of the crime. I have never read anything that suggested any of his or his parents proprieties were searched. His lawyer has the gun and the prosecutor apparently agreed not to confiscate it. Which is weird, because it must be evidence? |
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 8:15:44 GMT -5
If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Was it confirmed that the gun he brought or owns was semi-automatic, as alleged by the "victims'" report?
I don't even understand how a gun of this capacity could even be allowed to be carried, with or without a permit - but that's a whole nuther subject.
Must guns sold today are. I have a G20 Glock and a Smith and Wesson M$P Sig 357. Most hand gun owners have a semi automatic. The Smith and Wesson kicks like a mule . If I am not careful it is a nose breaker. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 20, 2020 8:19:30 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. So kids at a party can’t be upstanding citizens? Uh, OK. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 8:22:58 GMT -5
Was it confirmed that the gun he brought or owns was semi-automatic, as alleged by the "victims'" report?
I don't even understand how a gun of this capacity could even be allowed to be carried, with or without a permit - but that's a whole nuther subject.
Must guns sold today are. I have a G20 Glock and a Smith and Wesson M$P Sig 357. Most hand gun owners have a semi automatic. The Smith and Wesson kicks like a mule . If I am not carful it is a nose breaker. I wasn't aware of that. The original story seemed more damning, because he supposedly had a semi-automatic. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 8:26:57 GMT -5
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. So kids at a party can’t be upstanding citizens? Uh, OK. I went to Sweet 16 party last year - every young male was instructed to empty their pockets, pull up their pant legs, and got a quick frisk at the door. Things have certainly changed. |
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 8:29:46 GMT -5
Must guns sold today are. I have a G20 Glock and a Smith and Wesson M$P Sig 357. Most hand gun owners have a semi automatic. The Smith and Wesson kicks like a mule . If I am not carful it is a nose breaker. I wasn't aware of that. The original story seemed more damning, because he supposedly had a semi-automatic. All handguns that require a clip are self loading . With todays definition of what is "semi automatic" is. A revolver can be classified a such. |
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 8:46:21 GMT -5
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. So kids at a party can’t be upstanding citizens? Uh, OK. Well, its pretty obvious that some of them are dirt-bags and/or actual criminals. Either 3 of them actually did rob others at gunpoint, or the 4 "victims" lied there asses off to the police. Maybe everyone else at the party had just arrived from choir practice. Hard to know. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 8:53:51 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that. The original story seemed more damning, because he supposedly had a semi-automatic. All handguns that require a clip are self loading . With todays definition of what is "semi automatic" is. A revolver can be classified a such. So semi-auto does not require a manual cartridge loading action, but does require a pull of the trigger for each shot? I really can't think of any practical handgun that would not do this, only rifles or a shotgun. The 10 year vs. 15 year potential sentence, and discussion over whether the handgun was semi-auto or not, doesn't really seem to be a question at this point. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 20, 2020 8:58:29 GMT -5
All handguns that require a clip are self loading . With todays definition of what is "semi automatic" is. A revolver can be classified a such. So semi-auto does not require a manual cartridge loading action, but does require a pull of the trigger for each shot? I really can't think of any practical handgun that would not do this, only rifles or a shotgun. The 10 year vs. 15 year potential sentence, and discussion over whether the handgun was semi-auto or not, doesn't really seem to be a question at this point. It’s Florida, where the penalty for a using a firearm is having to watch a Miami Dolphins game.. Baker should be thankful this didn’t happen in NY. Where they would be hanging him by his eyeballs right now. |
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Post by Delicreep on May 20, 2020 9:00:32 GMT -5
This would be a comical if it wasn't so sad. Not saying this isnt the truth, but feels like next we will find out he was reading bible verses and donating to charity that night. So did he have the gun while playing Madden or not? If there was evidence to say he did. Why doesn't he have to turn it in? If there is no gun (and there is) to present as evidence. I am not a lawyer but my logic would conclude if there was an "armed robbery" The Court would demand the device used to perpetrate that offense be turned over a evidence. Perhaps the court see something to suggest the gun he owns was not used as it is alleged to have been. Another thing I find odd there were no search warrants issued to recover the gun , money or watches reported by the media. A warrant can be issued with in a hour of the crime. I have never read anything that suggested any of his or his parents proprieties were searched. It's odd to me: you are being charged with 4 counts of brandishing your gun at people...but we do not need your gun as evidence. I would assume that Florida knows the make and model, and being a very pro 2ndA state, don't want to seize his legally owned weapon until they absolutely have to. No one said he fired it, so there's no test to run or anything like that. NYC would have unleashed several SWAT teams to get that gun. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 20, 2020 9:03:25 GMT -5
Patel revealed Tuesday he has affidavits from three additional independent witnesses — “upstanding citizens that have no stake in the game’’ — backing Baker’s innocence.
Patel said Baker arrived at the party carrying his “Madden” console, two controllers and a charger. He went into the house, hooked the game up to a big-screen TV and played the video game for the hour to hour-and-a-half he was there. Baker inadvertently left the game at the house. Patel said he will try to get electronic proof Baker was indeed logged in and playing “Madden” that night.
Sounding more and more like a con job trying to target some NFL players. #FreeBaker
Not sure there were many (or any) "upstanding citizens" there. Sounds like lawyer bs to me. "He was playing Madden at the time your honor?" Ok... I hope he didn't rob anyone, but that's a bit more bs than I can believe. Who knows he said yesterday That Baker has a clean legal record the accusers supposedly have long rap sheets. Maybe the witnesses he has assembled don't have crimes on their resume's. |
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 9:03:50 GMT -5
All handguns that require a clip are self loading . With todays definition of what is "semi automatic" is. A revolver can be classified a such. I really can't think of any practical handgun that would not do this, only rifles or a shotgun. The 10 year vs. 15 year potential sentence, and discussion over whether the handgun was semi-auto or not, doesn't really seem to be a question at this point. All revolvers are configured in this way. I has been practical since the introduction of the Colt model 1835 double action revolver. ( double action) it can function in 2 ways . I) by cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Requires less force to engage the trigger. Or 2) By pulling the trigger only ( semi-automatic). |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 20, 2020 9:05:07 GMT -5
So semi-auto does not require a manual cartridge loading action, but does require a pull of the trigger for each shot? I really can't think of any practical handgun that would not do this, only rifles or a shotgun. The 10 year vs. 15 year potential sentence, and discussion over whether the handgun was semi-auto or not, doesn't really seem to be a question at this point. It’s Florida, where the penalty for a using a firearm is having to watch a Miami Dolphins game.. Baker should be thankful this didn’t happen in NY. Where they would be hanging him by his eyeballs right now. He is licensed to carry I believe. |
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