|
Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 19:23:22 GMT -5
Who defined semi-automatic and what did they get wrong?
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 20, 2020 19:30:53 GMT -5
You would be wrong. I worked for the #1 gun company in the world for the last 6 years and probably know way too much about gun laws lol. What states are fully automatics legal? And is it used for hunting rabbit? Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on May 20, 2020 20:43:59 GMT -5
What states are fully automatics legal? And is it used for hunting rabbit? Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really?
|
|
|
Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 20, 2020 20:47:17 GMT -5
Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? Compensation.
|
|
|
Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 20:50:44 GMT -5
: Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? I would love to shoot a fully automatic ( 50 caliber) at a gun range if I could afford the amount of amo it would go through. $3.50 a round.
|
|
|
Post by lasion2 on May 20, 2020 21:49:42 GMT -5
Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? Shooting guns is fun. It’s like darts without the booze.
|
|
|
Post by jb456 on May 20, 2020 22:04:40 GMT -5
So kids at a party can’t be upstanding citizens? Uh, OK. I went to Sweet 16 party last year - every young male was instructed to empty their pockets, pull up their pant legs, and got a quick frisk at the door. Things have certainly changed. WTF? Was the venue a group home? 😆
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 21, 2020 5:15:24 GMT -5
Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? Many different reasons I guess. Collectors. For fun. Lots of people run a business where you can come shoot them. Historical purposes. Training. Then there is the whole 2nd Amendment thing where people have them to protect the country just in case they are alive when the country collapses.
Most machine guns out there are not that different than their semi-auto counterpart and are actually way less accurate. There are a couple I would love to own just for historical purposes. When I left my gun job the last gun I shot was a full auto MP5 with a suppressor on it, was tons of fun lol.
|
|
|
Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2020 5:32:58 GMT -5
Was it confirmed that the gun he brought or owns was semi-automatic, as alleged by the "victims'" report?
I don't even understand how a gun of this capacity could even be allowed to be carried, with or without a permit - but that's a whole nuther subject.
No offense but you don't know much about guns do you? Pretty much every pistol ever made is a semi-automatic. Even revolvers operate the same (but faster) as a semiauto. It just means you don't have to pump it (like a shotgun), manually operate the bolt (like the sniper in Saving Private Ryan) or manually cock the hammer (like an old western). I do not, but obviously this sparked some discussion and I don't mind learning. I am generally a conservative person, but find no reason for a gun myself.
|
|
|
Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2020 5:41:16 GMT -5
I went to Sweet 16 party last year - every young male was instructed to empty their pockets, pull up their pant legs, and got a quick frisk at the door. Things have certainly changed. WTF? Was the venue a group home? 😆 It was at a waterside catering place, in a rather nice neighborhood. We adults were requested to wait at the entrance, until all the "kiddies" were settled in (reason #1 why I said let's just leave). So we watched each boy get the full treatment by a rather stern security group, our mouths were dropped open by this, but they seemed to take it in stride (again, I said WTF let's just get out of here). I would have never dreamed of seeing this, it did not make me feel safer. Does it make the parents feel secure? Maybe it should be a wakeup call about what they're allowing these kids to be exposed to?
|
|
|
Post by Waybackfan on May 21, 2020 6:20:34 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Fletch842 on May 21, 2020 6:20:48 GMT -5
Only 15 states have banned machine guns. The other 35 you can have them. Costs $200 to the government and then what ever the gun costs.
STATES Banning Machine guns. California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Iowa Louisiana Maryland Massachusetts Minnesota Montana New Jersey New York Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? my opinion which may be very unpopular with some is that you own a weapon like that for one reason, to kill people, which is why they should be banned for personal ownership.
|
|
|
Post by Waybackfan on May 21, 2020 6:23:36 GMT -5
Can you own a fully-automatic gun (machine gun) in the U.S.?
>
"Federal law highly regulates the manufacture, sale, and ownership of fully automatic weapons in the United States. For those unfamiliar with firearms nomenclature, a fully automatic weapon is one that is capable of firing multiple rounds with only one pull of the trigger; a semi-automatic weapon will fire only one round per trigger pull while preparing the gun to fire another round when the trigger is pulled again. The main federal law governing fully automatic weapons is called the National Firearms Act, or NFA. First enacted in 1934, this federal law regulates fully automatic weapons, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices such as bombs or grenades. The NFA was subsequently modified in 1968 by the Gun Control Act and in 1986 by the Firearm Owners Protection Act.
Items included in the NFA are referred to colloquially as “NFA items,” and are highly regulated. A special license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) is required to manufacture, sell, and own any of these items, without exception. Whereas regular gun manufacturers and dealers must obtain a Federal Firearms License, or FFL, to legally make and sell non-NFA firearms, entities who wish to make or sell NFA items must obtain an additional license on top of the FFL. These dealers are referred to as FFL/SOT (special occupational tax) or Class 3 FFL dealers. It is a lengthy and burdensome process that requires extensive investigation by ATF.
Under the NFA, it is illegal for any private civilian to own any fully automatic weapons manufactured after May 19, 1986. Only certain types of FFL/SOTs may make them, and then only for purchase by qualified state and federal agencies. There are no exceptions. According to the ATF’s official handbook on NFA laws and regulations, it’s not even legal to make new replacement parts for pre-1986 machine guns: “There is no exception allowing for the lawful production, transfer, possession, or use of a post-May 18, 1986 machinegun receiver as a replacement receiver on a weapon produced prior to May 19, 1986.”
So what about pre-1986 machine guns? Are civilians permitted to own those? Yes, with a host of exceptions. The pre-1986 machine guns may be sold only by a FFL/SOT and must be registered with the ATF. Easy peasy, right? Not really. The process of registering a NFA item with the ATF is costly, invasive, and time-consuming. Federal law requires extensive background checks of anyone wishing to own a NFA item such as a machine gun. If you wanted to purchase a machine gun today, it would take close to a year, and you would be required to submit fingerprints and a photo to accompany your background check. Each NFA item also requires its own tax stamp, which costs $200. Once the ATF decides that an individual is permitted by law to own a NFA item, it adds that individual’s name, address, and biographical information to a federal gun registry and matches it to the serial number of the licensed NFA item. This goes for every item listed in the NFA, not just machine guns. Individuals with NFA items are then required to notify the ATF when they move and any time they plan to travel outside their state of residence with the NFA item.
And that’s just the federal registration process. We haven’t even discussed the cost of purchasing a legal machine gun. If you can find a legal, ATF-stamped, pre-1986 machine gun for less than $10,000, then you’re a miracle worker. A legal NFA sear — the machined part of the trigger group that makes a firearm capable of fully automatic firing — can cost anywhere from $15,000 to $50,000. And lest you think that any random yokel can just head into the garage and cobble together functional full auto sear, think again. While it is indeed possible, the tools and know-how required to precisely mill the sear, not to mention the myriad other necessary modifications, are in relatively short supply.
Reports, like those from ABC reporter Terry Moran, that machine guns are perfectly legal in Nevada and other states are highly misleading. Federal law, after all, pre-empts state law. In fact, under Nevada state law, NFA items are only legal if they have been legally obtained and registered under federal law. You can’t just waltz into the state with an unregistered machine gun and expect to walk around scot-free. This is the case in all states which allow possession of NFA items. Legal federal ownership is a prerequisite in every case. If the NFA item is not owned, registered, and stamped in compliance with federal laws and regulations, then the item is illegal under state law.
In conclusion, fully automatic weapons are highly regulated under both federal and state law. Only licensed entities are permitted to manufacture, sell, or own them. Private civilian ownership of machine guns is illegal unless the individual has been explicitly permitted by the federal ATF to own them. All fully automatic weapons must be registered with the federal government in a central registry with no exceptions. A special tax is levied on all NFA items (machine guns, suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and destructive devices) with no exceptions."
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on May 21, 2020 6:38:58 GMT -5
Crazy. What is the purpose of owning a machine gun legally? Self defense? Really? Many different reasons I guess. Collectors. For fun. Lots of people run a business where you can come shoot them. Historical purposes. Training. Then there is the whole 2nd Amendment thing where people have them to protect the country just in case they are alive when the country collapses.
Most machine guns out there are not that different than their semi-auto counterpart and are actually way less accurate. There are a couple I would love to own just for historical purposes. When I left my gun job the last gun I shot was a full auto MP5 with a suppressor on it, was tons of fun lol. Fun. Ok, good, go to a gun range and pay to use it. Pay for the ammo. Should not be for personal use IMO. Im all for people owning a reasonable gun if they want to. Shooting a rocket launcher at things would be fun and cool too, but doesnt mean it should be legal. I just dont think Joe Schmoe should be able to go to the shop and purchase an AK47 with a banana clip to bring home to the kids for fun. That is a military weapon. You dont need it for hunting. You dont need it for protection.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 7:07:43 GMT -5
Many different reasons I guess. Collectors. For fun. Lots of people run a business where you can come shoot them. Historical purposes. Training. Then there is the whole 2nd Amendment thing where people have them to protect the country just in case they are alive when the country collapses.
Most machine guns out there are not that different than their semi-auto counterpart and are actually way less accurate. There are a couple I would love to own just for historical purposes. When I left my gun job the last gun I shot was a full auto MP5 with a suppressor on it, was tons of fun lol. Fun. Ok, good, go to a gun range and pay to use it. Pay for the ammo. Should not be for personal use IMO. Im all for people owning a reasonable gun if they want to. Shooting a rocket launcher at things would be fun and cool too, but doesnt mean it should be legal. I just dont think Joe Schmoe should be able to go to the shop and purchase an AK47 with a banana clip to bring home to the kids for fun. That is a military weapon. You dont need it for hunting. You dont need it for protection. We all have a opinion about this and it's not surprising that they will be different. A 10 years ago I thought the same as you but that has changed and if someone wants to be a gun collector or an experience marksman then why not. It is fun to shoot and in this country it's allowed with the proper safety actions taken while enjoying them so you can't change that.. BTW.. I know a lot of gun owners and not one of them doesn't take safety very serious so that means I don't know any "Joe Schmoe" gun owners sorry you have experienced that type of gun owner..
|
|
|
Post by imgrate on May 21, 2020 7:58:24 GMT -5
Many different reasons I guess. Collectors. For fun. Lots of people run a business where you can come shoot them. Historical purposes. Training. Then there is the whole 2nd Amendment thing where people have them to protect the country just in case they are alive when the country collapses.
Most machine guns out there are not that different than their semi-auto counterpart and are actually way less accurate. There are a couple I would love to own just for historical purposes. When I left my gun job the last gun I shot was a full auto MP5 with a suppressor on it, was tons of fun lol. Fun. Ok, good, go to a gun range and pay to use it. Pay for the ammo. Should not be for personal use IMO. Im all for people owning a reasonable gun if they want to. Shooting a rocket launcher at things would be fun and cool too, but doesnt mean it should be legal. I just dont think Joe Schmoe should be able to go to the shop and purchase an AK47 with a banana clip to bring home to the kids for fun. That is a military weapon. You dont need it for hunting. You dont need it for protection. Theres places in Texas where you can pay to go up in a helicopter and mow down a bunch of wild boar. They're invasive species so they try whatever they can to get people to kill as much of em as possible.
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on May 21, 2020 8:49:19 GMT -5
Fun. Ok, good, go to a gun range and pay to use it. Pay for the ammo. Should not be for personal use IMO. Im all for people owning a reasonable gun if they want to. Shooting a rocket launcher at things would be fun and cool too, but doesnt mean it should be legal. I just dont think Joe Schmoe should be able to go to the shop and purchase an AK47 with a banana clip to bring home to the kids for fun. That is a military weapon. You dont need it for hunting. You dont need it for protection. Theres places in Texas where you can pay to go up in a helicopter and mow down a bunch of wild boar. They're invasive species so they try whatever they can to get people to kill as much of em as possible. Get in the chopper!
|
|
|
Post by DandyDon on May 21, 2020 9:09:45 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming:
1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case.
2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house.
3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this.
4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later.
5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party.
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on May 21, 2020 9:12:56 GMT -5
Madden brings out the worst in people... I've seen some bad rage quits in my day.
I prefer NFL 2K though.
|
|
|
Post by GameTime on May 21, 2020 9:12:58 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming: 1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case. 2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house. 3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this. 4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later. 5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party. yep....saw all those points in a piece the other day
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on May 21, 2020 9:16:57 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by GameTime on May 21, 2020 9:53:17 GMT -5
thought Dunbar and Baker were friends? Looks like the lawyers just want to keep adding more BS to dispute the original story. Its a good tactic
|
|
|
Post by DandyDon on May 21, 2020 12:38:59 GMT -5
thought Dunbar and Baker were friends? Looks like the lawyers just want to keep adding more BS to dispute the original story. Its a good tactic It says right in the article they are friends. This is between the lawyers.
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on May 21, 2020 13:57:54 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming: 1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case. 2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house. 3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this. 4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later. 5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party. So claim NO GUN there... And who the **** brings an XBOX console to a party? IS this the age we live in? 22 year old million going out to a party carries an XBOX? I mean, its better than a gun but really? I still say there is something fishy. Not that Baker is guilty, but something is being covered up.
|
|
|
Post by dvision on May 21, 2020 14:41:07 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming: 1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case. 2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house. 3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this. 4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later. 5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party. Number 4 is what struck me upon reading the arrest report. Why wait to call the police after being robbed by a couple of NFL players? Also the part about having the cars parked for a hasty getaway.... now hearing it was a gated community makes that claim even more ridiculous. Not to mention who parks for a quick getaway then decides to hang out for a few hours before committing a robbery? This whole thing is just strange...
|
|
|
Post by GameTime on May 21, 2020 14:44:25 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming: 1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case. 2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house. 3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this. 4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later. 5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party. Number 4 is what struck me upon reading the arrest report. Why wait to call the police after being robbed by a couple of NFL players? Also the part about having the cars parked for a hasty getaway.... now hearing it was a gated community makes that claim even more ridiculous. Not to mention who parks for a quick getaway then hangs out for a few hours before committing a robbery? This whole thing is just strange... thats whole idea that they were conducting illegal gambling. Clean up the area first or waiting to decide what to do. It is illegal to rob and an illegal game?....lol
|
|
|
Post by dvision on May 21, 2020 14:55:04 GMT -5
Number 4 is what struck me upon reading the arrest report. Why wait to call the police after being robbed by a couple of NFL players? Also the part about having the cars parked for a hasty getaway.... now hearing it was a gated community makes that claim even more ridiculous. Not to mention who parks for a quick getaway then hangs out for a few hours before committing a robbery? This whole thing is just strange... thats whole idea that they were conducting illegal gambling. Clean up the area first or waiting to decide what to do. It is illegal to rob and an illegal game?....lol I'm a bit confused about where everyone keeps saying the gambling was illegal at the party. Gambling is only illegal if the house charges for a seat at the table or profits off the game. It's not illegal to play cards for money. Do we know that was the case? I'm asking because I don't know ... was there something about that in the report or are people making assumptions?
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on May 21, 2020 15:18:48 GMT -5
It seems Dunbars lawyer is an unethical politician/Deejay
I saw his picture and I'd be damned if you caught me at one of his parties.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 21, 2020 16:20:56 GMT -5
Fun. Ok, good, go to a gun range and pay to use it. Pay for the ammo. Should not be for personal use IMO. Im all for people owning a reasonable gun if they want to. Shooting a rocket launcher at things would be fun and cool too, but doesnt mean it should be legal. I just dont think Joe Schmoe should be able to go to the shop and purchase an AK47 with a banana clip to bring home to the kids for fun. That is a military weapon. You dont need it for hunting. You dont need it for protection. Everyone has their own opinion which is why we have a Constitution. There are people out there that don't think you should have a Corvette because it goes to fast. Why do you need a car that can go 150 MPH when 65 is the speed limit? Go to a course and rent it. Pay for gas.
I listed other reasons beyond fun. Do you know how many murders there were in this country with legally owned machine guns last year? Zero. I get the stigma but people start saying some crazy things about guns some times.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 21, 2020 16:23:00 GMT -5
Just read another article in the Daily News. At this point, his lawyer is claiming: 1) he brought his own xbox to the party and was playing it in a completely different room from the incident. He was gambling on xbox, but he had not lost 70K earlier in the week. The lawyer is looking to get the records of his xbox login/play to bolster his case. 2) He heard the commotion and the table crash down and yelling but had no idea what actually happened and he booked out of there. He left the xbox at the house. 3) When he left he was not driving, having had a designated driver for the party. He was actually stopped in a line of cars at the security gate for the complex while exiting, and there is video of this. 4) The cops were not called until almost 2 hours later. 5) He has a licensed handgun, but did not have it with him at the party. #FreeBaker
Guess he will be home playing XBox and not at parties from now on.
|
|